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[NSFW] When it comes to the female breast, which is worse, seeing the breast or any indication of nipple?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26806points) June 5th, 2011

Looking around the lagoon the past week or so I have seen quite a but of scuttle butt directed to breast, nipples and the likes. To the contrary the only official evil part of the female breast at least here in the US, is the nipple uncovered that is. But some are not comfortable with covered legal nipples such as http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uMOJi-82lQg/TafZOxkJ91I/AAAAAAAAHYs/aH3_chnxjBw/s1600/preity+zinta+nipples+pictures.jpg and http://www.lifeisajoke.com/pictures592_html.htm. Are those women’s breast worse or more offensive than these women? Her http://www.bikiniscience.com/locations/MP95-96_SS/MPA2J6_S/MPA2J6_J/MPA2J6_P6224916.JPG and http://www.bikiniscience.com/locations/MP95-96_SS/MPA233_S/MPA233_J/MPA230-34_P6225021.JPG ? If you can be in a parade and such showing all of your boobs less the nipple does that mean they can slap on some pasties and go lay at the beach or the park topless and in a thong and get a full all over tan and not get arrested? What if the boobs were painted as in body art? Seen topless women at the Bay to Breakers but had their boobs painted so it was a go. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/kim-kardashian-w-magazine-showed-full-on-nipple_n_816372.html
Is massive cleavage better? The following woman would be legal in the US even though she is showing just about everything; the middle, the bottom, the sides, just not the nipple, would she be less offensive than the first group with covered breast but nipple indentations?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wUcqgxtU--I/TLc1crF4hBI/AAAAAAAAAvw/r2QHIJ-YF9c/s1600/12326255070.jpg

When did the nipple become so obscene? I don’t know if they changed it, but in 2009 Facebook was yanking pics of any mother breastfeeding her child saying it was a violation of policy. You can have two barely legal teens smooching it up in the profile pic but not a nursing mother because of a nipple; does that seem right?

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Dr_Lawrence's avatar

The sight of the human breast is in no way offensive or evil. Those who believe otherwise do more harm than any breast ever did.

I’d like to see much less obscene, gratuitous violence in the medis and less fussing over breast exposure.

Breasts are not genitals, they are secondary sexual characteristics in the human female. Their function is feeding babies, not a sexual function.

King_Pariah's avatar

@Dr_Lawrence They’re not sexual? lol

Anyway, I have to agree with DL on this, as he pretty much said everything what I was planning to. What more is a boob than a nipple with mammary glands behind it? (Hell, I know guys who look like they do and they don’t have to cover up when they hit the beach).

woodcutter's avatar

I think it’s the nip that is the bad guy for whatever reason. Maybe it is an intended spout for feeding that put people off and the rest is just skin..beeeautiful skin.

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

There was a time in the Victorian age when exposing the leg, to any extent was considered obscene. Even table legs had to be covered because they were too suggestive.

Today leg exposure is no longer taboo as long as the genitals are not exposed.

The change was in attitudes. This has started to happen with breast exposure.

When we grow up more, we will accept the human body, in all shapes and sizes as normal and natural and will abhor violence and inhumanity instead.

Nullo's avatar

This is a case where a rigid definition allows people to ahem skirt the spirit of the law. The intent is to help keep men’s minds out of ladies’ blouses – a worthy goal, but the practice is rendered futile if the men in question don’t want to go along with the program. And it is these uncooperative types who have been edging the letter of the law into ridiculousness.

@Dr_Lawrence It’s not really about the breast at all, but about the minds viewing the breast.

deuxciel's avatar

The goal of the Anti-Nipple Campaign is to create a negative opinion of breastfeeding, as the fewer breastfed children, the greater our chances of becoming a nation of the chronically ill.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@King_Pariah Here in the US they wouldn’t have; boggles the mind. Rather than seeing a near flat-chested topless woman they would subject us to http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/userpix/13130_moobs_1.jpg and
http://static.londonfgss.com/attachments/4418d1231345410-moobs6-1.jpg and the former being about average of many women I have seen and the latter bigger than a lot of women I have seen but yet his is not somehow more nasty to look at than some woman?

There have been many women I knew and dated that was as small as this guy http://ricklinforth.com/images/gynaecomasti.jpg?143 but they would not be able to go shirtless. I also knew women his size or smaller who would wear a bra for the sole reason not to look like http://www.lifeisajoke.com/pictures592_html.htm even though you can view no part of the breast. Even in a full short the mere indication there is a female nipple under there is, enough to make those who do not need a bra shackle themselves down in one, because of nipple. So, logically a smart woman would just get some pasties and rip that shirt off for a full even tan.

@deuxciel The goal of the Anti-Nipple Campaign is to create a negative opinion of breastfeeding, as the fewer breastfed children, the greater our chances of becoming a nation of the chronically ill. What!? Surely you jest? What whopping fool would believe breast milk, which babies have had for centuries, is not a good thing and mothers should not do it? Bizarro world…….

meiosis's avatar

@Nullo I’m interested as to why you think keeping my mind out of a woman’s breasts is a worthy goal.

dabbler's avatar

“Worse”? IMHO that’s the wrong end of the scale.
I have no idea if there has been any scientific inquiry into this but I have wondered about what the impact of Not breastfeeding has been on a couple generations of people, esp. on men. When I was an infant it was very much the fashion to formula feed babes and ignore my mom’s perfectly good endowments. There may be a primal unsatisfied craving.
I think @deuxciel was being brilliantly sarcastic…. I hope so!

El_Cadejo's avatar

Worse? oooooooor better?

wundayatta's avatar

Obscenity is a culturally determined thing. You can understand American attitudes about breasts if you trace the history of those attitudes.

Nowadays, it’s become more of a symbolic; maybe even political thing. Your position on modesty may be an indicator of your position on religion and possibly of your political views.

There is also a knee-jerk reaction from people brought up to see breasts as purely sexual indicators. The sight of a breast ignites such fierce irreligious feelings in them, that they must protect themselves by outlawing the sight of breasts. This is especially important because, of course, men can’t control themselves. If they see a breast they’ll be raping the girl next, and who can blame them? She was asking for it, wasn’t she?

Since when is the victim responsible for the crime? Since when are women responsible for the looks men give them? How come men get a free pass because it is in our nature to ogle?

This whole set of attitudes reeks of hypocrisy, which is no doubt why @Hypocrisy_Central asked us about it. But so what? is anything going to change? Are people’s justifications ever going to make logical sense?

Don’t count on it.

nikkiduq's avatar

I don’t see anything evil or offensive about female breasts. It’s like saying “Your eyes are evil because they looked into mine.” Discussing the evil-ness of women breast is just plane ignorant and ridiculous. It is sexual alright, but evil? Come on. This is sexist.

ratboy's avatar

What the hell kind of question is this? Both are fuckin’ great!

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@wundayatta Since when is the victim responsible for the crime? It is not so much about the crime that might happen to a woman as a by product of her having breast is how society will criminalize her on how she presents them when out the back door secretly in worship of them.

This whole set of attitudes reeks of hypocrisy, which is no doubt why @Hypocrisy_Central asked us about it. The whole thing does reek of hypocrisy or at least a blatant double standard. I am dumbfounded, which side is the prevailing side I can’t fathom. Legally it seems a woman is only in violation if her nipple is showing, the byproduct of that to me, is the war against public breastfeeding. People are afraid the little nipper will yawn or break the lip lock at the wrong time and the mother will have a hanging exposed nipple someone would see. But is it just the nipple or the breast? A woman in a full t-shirt on a cold day without a bra can be looked down on because she has “bullets” showing at the end of her breast. IMO one of the main reasons every girl no matter what size gets marched down to the department store to get a training bra. And to make her complacent to it she is told ”it is your 1st step to being a real woman, dear” If it is just the nipple exposed a woman can slap on some pasties or nipple peddles and go lie on the beach shirtless for a full all over tan. I can bet my donuts to anyone’s dollars the cops will be called on her because she has too much legal breast showing?

is anything going to change? It will at some point in the future I just won’t be here to see it. At some point in the past many women here on Fluther would be arrested as deviants or forced to wear a Scarlet Letter, but we got beyond that, so when the mind catches up to the reality we will get by this too.

@nikkiduq I don’t see anything evil or offensive about female breasts. Where as you don’t some will see the breast and nipple as bad or tacitly evil, others just the nipple, and some the mere breast. And while we stress about not having it seen in public at least exposed in any fashion women are being indoctrinated to wish they were larger that somehow all us men will lap over them like dogs over a soup bone if they were 38DDs as opposed to 34As I’d take the firm 34A any day.

Nullo's avatar

@meiosis + fidelity, – promiscuity. Does not apply in the case of wives.

Neizvestnaya's avatar

The only thing I can come up with is the sight of a nipple could also give you sight to an erect nipple which could imply sexual arousal which is something most of us are taught not to display in public, at least not Americans.

meiosis's avatar

@Nullo Why is my fidelity and lack of promiscuity a worthy goal? I can see why they are to my nearest and dearest, of course, but why would anyone else be concerned with this?

Neizvestnaya's avatar

@meiosis: I’m not @Nullo but I can answer you question easily. A person with the traits of fidelity and lack of promiscuity presents less of a threat to what others have and invites trust, consistency and even friendship.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Neizvestnaya The only thing I can come up with is the sight of a nipple could also give you sight to an erect nipple which could imply sexual arousal which is something most of us are taught not to display in public, at least not Americans.
That is somewhat disingenuous in appearance don’t you think? I mean so much emphasis it put in making them appear large, firmer, more perky, even when they are not; and even if one has to go under the knife to create it, but let it appear like an actual breast then somehow it becomes a hide worthy thing? I am not sure how old you are but if you are of a certain age you remember the cone-shaped ”sweater girls”. It is like some running joke, don’t think about them while you are on your way to the plastic surgeon to get bigger ones no one is supposed to look at. About as crazy as being OK to expose the entire breast as long as you don’t see any nipple or areola. Then as to increase the folly if a woman goes about with a fully covered breast but braless with indentations of the nipple visible that is almost worse than seeing the entire breast with pasties. Don’t let the top be braless and sheer, being semi opaque, then it becomes hochie or something. I don’t think it will ever make sense to me.

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