General Question

Tennis5tar's avatar

Did the phrase "S/he is a bad egg" originate in Roald Dahl's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

Asked by Tennis5tar (1260points) April 27th, 2008

The part where there are the golden geese who lay good/bad eggs and Veruca Salt is a “bad egg” according to the scale. Was the phrase around before the time of writing this book?

Observing members: 0 Composing members: 0

6 Answers

shrubbery's avatar

I would have thought was around before then, and Roald Dahl took it and satirised it in his book. But I’m just guessing…

AstroChuck's avatar

The earliest use is from the mid-19th century describing someone’s character. Another similar phrase is “bad seed”.

richardhenry's avatar

AstroChuck is half right…

According to The American Heritage Dictionary, the phrase “a good egg” is an agricultural term dating back to civil war times and was the converse of “a bad egg”, which wasn’t in a saleable condition. These terms were not just used to refer solely to eggs, and were in-fact employed widely when discussing a number of agricultural products. For this phrase to then be used to relate to people is only a natural transition.

Interestingly, there is actually some controversy regarding the phrase “a good egg” in England. Around 1915, there are somewhat mixed reports that police were instructed “not to use the phrase ‘good egg’, because it was too closely linked with egg and spoon, rhyming slang for coon, an offensive racial slur.” (See:

a bad egg (mainly American, informal)
someone who behaves in a bad or dishonest way. He’s a bad egg – don’t believe anything he says.

Hope this helps!

AstroChuck's avatar

The Milwaukee Daily American, in September 1856, criticizes “Mayor Woods” behavior and character. Finally concluding with, “He is a bad egg.”

Tennis5tar's avatar

Thanks you guys!

Response moderated

Answer this question




to answer.

This question is in the General Section. Responses must be helpful and on-topic.

Your answer will be saved while you login or join.

Have a question? Ask Fluther!

What do you know more about?
Knowledge Networking @ Fluther