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Do Amanda Knox and her (x) boyfriend go free?

Asked by tedd (14078points) September 27th, 2011

Rough summary: Knox and her b/f were convicted in an Italian court of sexually assaulting and killing Knox’s British room mate. The prosecution threw out claims of satanic rituals, sex games gone wrong, and cult sacrifice. The two are currently towards the end of an appeals trial.

But here’s some gorey details lost thanks to all the hub-ub about sex games and crap.

-Knox was interrogated for 14 hours while being denied food, water, bathroom breaks, a lawyer, and even a translator (she had only been studying Italian for about 2 months at the time). The prosecutor was allowed to participate in the interrogation though, and she was reportedly struck physically during the interrogation.

-The only evidence tying her to the scene of the crime is a knife found at her b/f’s apartment (where she claims to have been the entire night in question) that has her DNA and the victims DNA on it. The prosecution suggested this knife was probably the one used to cut the victims neck 3 times. The catch? Further analysis showed the knife doesn’t have the victims DNA on it at all, and a forensic expert said the knife couldn’t possibly be the one used to leave the marks on the victims neck (the blade was all wrong).

-The only evidence tying Knox’s former b/f to the scene of the crime is that his DNA was found on the victims bra clasp. Except the bra clasp was collected as evidence from the scene of the crime 46 days after the crime scene was first established. Way more than enough time for contamination, which is evidenced by the fact the clasp contained various other DNA samples.

-A third suspect, a man named Guede (who I believe was friends at least with everyone involved), opted for a “speedy” trial. Under Italian law this allows the court case to be closed from the media or public, and go very quickly (I believe his case was 3 months) and in exchange guilty parties are given more lenient sentences. He was convicted of murder, and his DNA was found all over the victim and the crime scene. He was sentenced to 30 years, and it was later reduced to 16 on appeal (Knox and her b/f were sentenced to 25 years).

Various forensic and crime offices here in the US have said they have incredible doubts about the way this investigation was carried out, and they do not believe Knox or the b/f are guilty. If this case had happened in the United States, it wouldn’t have even made it to trial, that’s how bad the evidence is. Supposedly there is such a strong anti-rich-american sentiment over there that she is just getting railroaded.

Do you think they walk, or not?

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SpatzieLover's avatar

Yep, as far as I can tell, Amanda will be out.

It appears from what I’ve read that the Italian justice system is so bad that this is “normal” there. It’s normal to be locked away for years, then go to appeal and get out.

The first trial, IMO, was a joke. Italy felt they had to lock someone up for the crime, so they picked the people that were still alive.

marinelife's avatar

If there is any justice, she will.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

I thought the whole thing reeked from the beginning. I sure hope so.

janbb's avatar

Troy Davis didn’t get off. Let’s not get too high and mighty about crappy “Italian” investigations and miscarriages of justice. Just sayin”

chyna's avatar

I really hope so,

raven860's avatar

Where are you getting your facts about these evidence from? I would just like to know the sources.

tedd's avatar

@raven860 Wikipedia has a bunch of sources cited, so mostly from there.

When you read the news articles they seem to “gloss” over all of the evidence, and just try to talk about what type of person Knox is. It’s ridiculous. How can you “cover” a story and not even talk about the evidence?

GabrielsLamb's avatar

If I allowed myself to partake of something like that, I would march MYSELF to the prison and refuse to leave. How do people live with themselves? How do they attempt to in any way go about a normal life even if they do get out? I would never be able to face another person again as long as I lived so really, what would the difference be? Jail or not?

Like If I were Casey Anthony’s mother… I would beat the shit out of myself and then shoot myself in the face. No one would ever have a chance to get there first.

tedd's avatar

@GabrielsLamb I don’t follow what you’re saying

GabrielsLamb's avatar

@tedd I’m saying that if she is guilty, and she get’s off and they let her go, how could someone knowing that they participated in such a heinous crime, live with themselves anyway on a day to day basis and not feel that prison was not only deserved, but a good idea?

tedd's avatar

@GabrielsLamb Ahh I see what you mean. But given everything I’m reading about the evidence, there’s no possible way she is guilty.

GabrielsLamb's avatar

@tedd If her actions or words in any way acted to take life from another human being, even if not directly related she is still guilty. Especially if she knew and didn’t do anything about it to stop it.

tedd's avatar

@GabrielsLamb The evidence as I’ve seen it, shows she was in no way involved. They found no trace of her DNA in the room where the crime took place (no fluids, hair, skin flakes, anything), which if you know anything about sexual crimes… that is pretty much impossible for her to have had a hand in it.

The prosecution attempted to tie her to it by claiming that they found Knox’s and the victims DNA on a kitchen knife at her boyfriends apartment (where Knox and her bf claimed to have been the whole night). They hypothesized that this was the knife used to stab the victim, and slit her throat. The catch is it turns out the victims DNA was not on the knife at all, the method used to test it for DNA was incredibly faulty and isn’t even recognized by international law. Furthermore, a forensic expert testified that the knife could not possibly have been used to inflict any of the wounds on the victims body (the blade was way off).

The “admission” given by Knox was given after a 14 hour “interrogation” that would qualify as torture in the US. She was denied food, water, sleep, bathroom breaks, lawyer (even though the prosecutor was there), and was allegedly beaten until finally… 14 hours in, she changed her story and gave the police a “vivid” and shaky story about her having seen her employer go into the victims room with the victim and hearing noises from the room that led her to believe he may have killed her. Less than 24 hours later she recanted the entire story, and listed the above reasons (the whole torture thing) as the cause of the story. She has maintained the same story since that point.

And missing from the whole thing, evidence from the other trial on the murder. Knox and her BF opted to be trialed together in a regular trial, but another suspect (a drifter named Guede) opted for a “speedy” trial under Italian law. Under the law the suspect waives his right to have the trial be opened to the public and the media, and they speed the entire process (his trial was about 3 months total). In exchange, guilty parties are given more lenient sentences. Guede was found guilty of murder because: His DNA was found in the victim, on the victim, and all around her room. He was found carrying the murder weapon, a knife that was capable of inflicting the wounds and had the victims DNA on it (determined by an accepted method). None of the evidence from his trial was allowed in the original Knox trial.

This wouldn’t have made it to trial in a US court, and the prosecutor would be disbarred.

(oh btw, the prosecutor is now convicted of lying about evidence and sending innocent people to prison in a serial-murder case in Milan.. where he went so far as to claim there was some kind of satanic cult committing ritual sacrifices and orgies…. sound familiar at all?)

SpatzieLover's avatar

This wouldn’t have made it to trial in a US court, and the prosecutor would be disbarred.

Precisely @tedd…we’d have shredded the investigators to bits here. They all trapsed through the entire apartment, besides everything ^ you listed ablove.

Sounds like there’ll be a verdict today or tomorrow.

GabrielsLamb's avatar

@tedd Wow… thanks for the info, I did not know that! I was under the assumption that she was found guilty.

SpatzieLover's avatar

@GabrielsLamb She was found guilty. That is why she is under the appeals process now.

They fast tracked these original convictions. You can read more of the timeline here

janbb's avatar

Yay! (Now if we could only get Troy Davis back.)

chyna's avatar

Very happy for her.

GabrielsLamb's avatar

@SpatzieLover Thanks hon, I’m a little slow… That’s why I stay out of the general section… LOL I never read… *I’m working on it though.

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