Does genuis deserve and/or require special treatment to better cultivate their ideas?

Yes absolutely, they should get special treatment, more money, and maybe even a condo, some Angel wing Champagne, and a hooker?

Otherwise we would have disgruntled, marginal workers deciding the fate of the universe! Probably the types who can’t even keep from eating another peoples lunch in the company fridge when it is clearly marked “THIS IS NOT YOUR LEAN CUISINE DO NOT EAT!”

If Jack Black can be a millionaire… how much more is a scientist worth? Come on now.

(Pssst – It’s spelled “genius.”)

Well shit, if you’re a genius, you could come up with your own ideas to “better cultivate” yourself. It’s not the responsibility of other people to give you special treatment.

Get your head out of your ass.

A real ‘genius’ should at least know how to spell the word…

I work with a group of people who are from a 3rd world country. When I go to their home, there is so much I know that they don’t know. To have a conversation with them means I must limit myself and only speak on the things pertinent to their situation. I often find myself in the position of teacher, educating them on everything from animal behavior to untangling the legaese of a government document.

Perhaps I should just dump my new friends because I am superior to them in every way you could mention. Then I would have time to spend with higher quality people. Of course, I’d miss out on a lot of love and laughter, but how does that compare with being able to associate with better looking people of my own socioeconomic standing and IQ? Man! I’d better get going! I have lot of work to do!

This person is ‘genius’ so the spelling mistake is part of being ‘genuis’, you guys get it?!!! haha :)

come on guys you are being a bit harsh

There are a number of high IQ societies that you could join (Mensa, Intertel, Triple Nine for example) and thus hang out with their members. That way you wouldn’t have to bother with the rest of the less than genius world. Of course, most of those people have adjusted to the world, and might be able to give you some tips for coping. Why you ask this here I’m not so sure, I’m pretty sure there are other fora for those of higher IQs.

The bright child grows best in a certain environment. For best results, he should be raised in it.
After that, he’s got to make his own way.

Yeah. I imagined these responses. Spelling and grammar, whatever. The whole idea was to use my personal and hopefully, more universal experiences to understand what a genius/genuis must go through.
Also, while I respect the whole idea that everyone has to work for a living, and should not get special treatment and several hookers weekly, it would be pretty sad if Einstein couldn’t get to his theory of relativity because his family wasted his time with their hoarding problem, or something like that.
Again, I never said I’m a genius, but that doesn’t mean I can’t find myself in similar situations.
Case in point, working on designing a new type Personality Test for marketing, is intense, and I’m breaking new ground. Having to take care of someone with weird hang ups in the process, even if I love them, affects your work. Also, I know some gifted people and I definitely find their company to have a positive effect. Maybe you just can’t understand , because you can’t do the math.

Einstein would still be well cared for today, as he had autism.

@cynema there are resources for neuro-atypical geniuses.

@cynema : I gave you a good response, listed some resources, even. Maybe more of us understand and can do the math than you imagine. Maybe we just kinda didn’t appreciate your tone much.

@cynema Nobody, and I mean nobody, likes it when you wax elitist. Elitism is relative, but everybody recognizes snottier-than-thou eventually. I tell you this as an ex-know-it-all. You’d think that someone working towards a doctorate in Psychology would realize that.
Be warned that persistence in this vice will lead to strained interpersonal relationships, and maybe a broken tooth somewhere down the line.

Using your gifts to help your fellow man is far worthier a use of your time than a new marketing tool. As though we need a new marketing tool.

So then you wouldn’t call your response here, or that of any others ‘snottier than thou’? I see.
Also my question was not directed at anyone, if anything I asked here to see if anyone had ever experienced similar frustration.
Still,.. NOT TO BE ELITIST but you’ve again misunderstood the question and have also suggested that I deserve to maybe get hit for it.
Good job. You should be especially proud of your insight into how my marketing tool doesn’t benefit anyone.
Of course, I cant explain it at length, but you wouldn’t understand that because you most likely have anything you couldn’t explain in detail because its PATENT PENDING.
I mean, if we’ve already decided I’m some sort of spoiled elitist. I might as well roll with it. After all, somewhere down the line, as you said, I’m likely to lose teeth.

If anyone has an answer they’d like to share please do so…

These responses only make it more clear to me why gifted children should be placed among that of others, and not subjected to those who may be angered or made jealous by the fact that their gifts may actually warrant special treatment. And Im not suggesting that you are jealous of me Leonardo, so just relax.

FYI: The actual facts are: Highly intelligent (high IQ and ‘g’ score) individuals do indeed develop there talents with greater speed and prosperity, making themselves smarter and more productive when they gravitate towards peer with higher IQ’s. They also cultivate more groundbreaking work, and generally are motivated to do more of it. The influence of an audience a highly intelligent peers also tends to inspire more groundbreaking work.

If you want to call the extensive research studies, done on intelligence ‘waxing elitist’, I guess the scientific method is a little too snooty for you.

Aside for your thinly veiled attacks and my deserved retort, my question still stands. How does one cope with having to segregate from loved ones, for the sake of a higher calling?
Objectively speaking, as if my own previously mentioned experience, were reflecting that of an outlier. Pretend for me.

@cynema I homeschool my genius. Does that answer your question?

Luckily, most of my loved ones are “geniuses” too but I hang out with those who aren’t as well. As far as friends go, I generally have very smart people as friends and we enjoy sparking off each other.

It’s worth joining a club or participating in some kind of activity that will attract the kind of people you are seeking.

Actually, I do this too, @cynema. There is a fair list of things that I cannot talk about to anyone I know because they simply cannot (or refuse to) understand what I’m talking about. I feed my brain by listening to tapes, reading books, and talking things over to myself.

There is one person who regularly tells me, “Snowberry, you’re so…deep!” as if it’s a bad thing. I usually reply, “And the opposite of deep is?”

@SpatzieLover I ♥ Einstein! I didn’t know that, and I think I have read just about everything on the man’s life. *Although all my books pre-date Autisum so… Although I am more inclined to believe that Autisum was probably the reason he was a genius?

Really, @cynema , how was my original answer to your Q not helpful? Shall I elaborate for you?

Many of you have been quite reasonable and very helpful. Still, a few bad apples…
I was really hoping to get some sort of legit discussion about this going. It’s rare that people really consider how they may or may not be stifled by all sorts of influences. Certainly, its not as simple as just throwing potential away in favor or social norms and for those who may love you dearly but can’t help but hold you back.
I just dont see this as being that strange or elite of a topic. Surely, plenty of people find themselves considering having to dissociate from others for a variety of reasons and it’s never as simple as doing what feels right, or what you heart tells you.
Ive seen people stifled by their families, or their friends, even their towns. Rarely though, do I consider how I may be doing this to someone else.
It doesn’t matter whether the person is Einstein, or Copernicus or etc. How can we ever know what gifts a person has if we bog them down with our subjective needs.
I think it would be a wise thing for all of us to consider this type of thing, regularly. How do your needs potentially stifle the productivity of someone else. How can this be monitored? Psychometrics? I know of no such tests or system of measurement.

If you feel stifled, you need to take the steps to remove yourself from the stifling circumstance. After all is said and done, it ultimately comes down to living in a human world. If you feel you are able to be creative in a manner that will benefit humanity, then find a way to be so. We all have to make choices weighing what we want to do, who we want to be and who we think we could/should be. Really, only you can determine what’s important to you. Many hyper-intelligent, creative people thrive in an environment where their downtime is spent with people who don’t challenge them mentally. It’s soothing for some to turn it off from time to time.

@cynema Oh, I understood your question alright, and have answered the headline question in earnest. (To answer the question that you left in the details: by communicating the necessity, underscoring the positive, downplaying the negative, and offering examples. Standard sales pitch.) Now I’m pursuing the subtext.

I am (or was, as your odious effluence has a pronounced and unsavory effect on the degree of my magnanimity) trying to warn you. That helpful, neighborly thing that we do?
I have worked with people who would have taken your tone to be a request for violent attention, and nobody ever really enjoys that.

The elitism that raised such ire lies not in your actual question – which is a valid one. Rather, it is in the manner that you present yourself – without a scrap of humility, flat-out insulting everybody who’s not you – that is so distasteful.
The reason why you feel like you’re being a jerk is because you’re being a jerk. That’s the signal to begin addressing that problem.

“I’ve got so many ideas, I’m literally wasting time worrying that I placed a comma in the incorrect place” is a prime example. Punctuation and grammar exist to facilitate the business of reading, in order that your statement might be properly understood on the first pass – saving time and energy for your readers. Misplacing or neglecting to place a comma can, in some cases, actually change the meaning of the sentence, rendering the entire exercise a waste. You are implying, and rather baldly, that our own time isn’t as valuable as yours. You demonstrate a gross disrespect for your fellows by deliberately ignoring these rules.

If you truly desire to spare your precious minutes, practice writing more concisely. You used enough characters in your OP to state your case three times over. Rambling is only a meritorious pursuit if your adulation (or compensation) is contingent upon the volume of your text. This requires that you nix much of your self-aggrandizement. You want to write like a Hemingway (and not in the “depressed alcoholic” sense), not a Dickens.
With practice, it’ll come naturally to you.

Yep, @Nullo.

@cynema I tried to help you via a PM that went unanswered. I’d be willing to share with you the things that I have done and the things I know others have done that have helped.

I know it is hard to take criticism but if you can put the stinging feeling aside and look at what people are trying to say here you may find you’ll get the help you’re seeking or, at least, some insight.

@Nullo is right about the formatting and punctuation of your posts. They are hard to read. Help us out as my time is precious too.

@cynema I can see your frustration now… :)

My original answer, as an annotation… Is contingent upon the fact that we are speaking about an ACTUAL genius… of course. Like a useful one to society or science.

I think they should get a highly functional penis implant and 500 virgins and a never ending supply of cash!

Or in the event of a female… All the Red soled shoes, an open account at Alexander McQueen, all the massage and beauty their little heart desires and hunky beautiful men that attend their every need!

*basically they SHOULD be treated like celebrities!

@GabrielsLamb I like the female genius treatments!!! hahaha

@Londongirl Gotta recognize! Everyone knows we’re smarter than they are. LOL

@GabrielsLamb Of course, but can I have the unlimited shopping account with Selfridges instead as I am not big fan of Alexander McQueen….. If you shop there you have all the brands you want!! ;)

Genius at work!

@nullo It seems more so to me, that you are reading subtext into my questioning that isn’t there.
You wrote:
“I’ve got so many ideas, I’m literally wasting time worrying that I placed a comma in the incorrect place” is a prime example. Punctuation and grammar exist to facilitate the business of reading, in order that your statement might be properly understood on the first pass – saving time and energy for your readers. ”
Now, I’m sure we can all applaud your witty sarcasm, but surely I am wise enough to understand the purpose of grammar. Even the smartest people do stupid things. Might I side step all this subtext and just tell you directly how cheap it seems to try and ‘expose’ me over semantics in the face of the broader and more abstract, actual line of questioning.
If there’s any mistake I’ve made, its assuming MYSELF that other people understand that a great deal of writers find grammar to be a tremendous speed bump. Pardon me for expecting the universal in something so trivial.
In fact, they find it to be a waste of time, creating a speed bump for their ability to think ahead. This is a common writing style. Indeed this is eve employed often by people taking notes, writing in code, or simply because if your brain is working quickly, you are stepping on your own toes to stop imagining new things, stop, and make sure you placed commas in the right place.
Maybe you’re the type who just can’t get that writing style, but I was trying to use that a universal example of how the rest of the world could feel stifling to the gifted.
I hope you can all follow since I have better things to READ and WRITE and would rather not go back and re-read this.
Try it yourself, its quite liberating.
FYI The desire to liberate, or even BE politically liberal, is quite strongly correlated with intellect, openness and creativity.

Stopped following….

@cynema : I think there have been some very good posts, here, and I think this exchange may have pinpointed one of the problems you might be having. It’s not at all uncommon, but sometimes it is hard for us to recognize about ourselves: you seem to be getting in your own way by getting distracted. The amount of energy you have put into your posts being upset with how people responded to you, or going on at length about whether or not you find grammar diverting your thought processes is an good example. We all sometimes need to employ focusing techniques, this may be something you would want to explore. I’m not very good at it myself, I’ve had to improvise a few of my own tricks, but I’m sure if you put your mind to it you can probably come up with some of your own.

Good observation. I think if you read back though, you’ll see that Ive re-focused the discussion a few times, but with the exception of yourself and a few others, most of the replies have been thinly veiled vitriol, attacking specifics in my thread in an attempt to thwart my questions objective relevance by attacking my subjective illustrations, with value judgments. Einstein, was infamously bad at basic math, but that doesn’t make him any less of a genuis when it concerned physics. Similarly, my dog is not the greatest at refraining from barking, but that doesnt seem to affect his tracking ability. Same thing goes for grammar and some writers. A great deal of fiction writers find grammar to be a giant speed bump. Im not so sure that has anything to do with focus. Its like listening to the radio while you study. For some it distracts, for others it encourges focus. This largely has no bearing on the students overall abilities, but nonetheless, some students are right to be bothered by a blaring radio.
It stands to reason that the thread itself has become a somewhat self-fulfilling prophecy, illustrating the subjective troubling of the very problem I had tried to draw attention to, objectively.
Implicit motives notwithstanding.
I hope some people consider take the time to consider the larger implications of such things.

But that’s exactly my point. Instead of addressing the helpful or relevant posts, you got involved with the ones that you felt did not address your concerns. It’s easy to feel the need to defend oneself, but on a forum full of strangers, which is more important? Expressing your upset or pursuing your premise? I, too, didn’t like the attitude I perceived, and I commented on it, but I also got past that enough to deal with your concerns. Refocusing. It’s the key. This thread, here, is not the hill worth dying on. Figuring out how to manage your time for maximum creative productivity is.
See, some of us can do the math! ;-)

@cynema
As it happens, I am a politically conservative example of the creative, intellectual type. im in ur statistix, messin’ wif ur corelashuns.

I’m not trying to ‘expose’ you; I’m trying to help you. My background is in public relations. Managing public image is something that I’m moderately good at, and that you do not seem to be. Your style – whether you realize it or not, whether you intend it or not – drips with peeving condescension. I tell you this so that you can make the necessary corrections and become a more effective communicator.

FYI, aside from illustrating that correlation does not imply causation, “FYI The desire to liberate, or even BE politically liberal, is quite strongly correlated with intellect, openness and creativity” does not contribute to anything. It is sufficiently superfluous that you might have left it out entirely, giving you more time to READ and WRITE those things that you were talking about.

I am going to provide you with an example of why proper grammar is important.

This links to the worst piece of writing ever assembled. Mercifully, no trees were sacrificed to create this abomination.

It is bad. It is very bad. Click that link at your own risk.

@Nullo This piece was written by a native English speaker right? It certainly looked like it…