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How many Americans do you think hold something close to this view? Is this a good view to hold?

Asked by Blackberry (31071points) October 11th, 2011

I saw this on another forum, and I was taken aback by how candid it was. How many people do you think hold this type of ideology? Also, please note I’m aware this is one person’s opinion.:

Not to make this into a Democrat vs Republican debate, I’m just looking at this from a logical point of view.

I voted for Obama and like a lot of people I believe Obama loves America and wants to do whats best for this Country to thrive and be successful.

Also like most fair minded individuals, I did not blame Obama for the recession or America’s Economic problems (high employment, deficit and other fiscal problems) PRIOR to 2011 (I say prior b/c I believe the blame bush card expired in Jan 2011)

America voted for Obama largely to resolve this Economic crisis, and at this point it goes without saying that he is currently failing miserably.

Here are a few of the reasons why I believe Obama may not be the person that can accomplish this; and why only a Republican President can….

Obama wants to FIX America, America just wants things IMPROVED. If you really look at America, very few people really want things fixed. Fixing America takes way too long and takes way too much sacrifice. We are not willing to go through that in order for things to improve. Its that simple. Americans IMO could care less if America’s problems are fixed. If the economy fully recovers (and America’s problems are not fixed), People would be completely fine with that.

For example the Dodd-Frank Bill & The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. We all know how Wall Street got us into this mess. Obama wants to fix that, Obama wants to change Wall Street so that 2007 Recession will never happen again.

Americans by and large DO NOT CARE to fix or change Wall Street. If Wall Street is left alone (with the exact same structure that led to the collapse) BUT America prospers (a full economic recovery and/or a boom period).

AMERICANS WOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT! Wall street doesn’t need to be changed if it means things will not immediately improve for America.

I use the analogy when someone is drowning. While they are struggling almost drowning in deep water, they do not want to hear from the lifeguard (who is supposed to save them) all about how they need to cut improve their eating/smoking habits or how they need to learn a proper swimming form. The person drowning just wants to be saved from drowning, THATS IT!

_The same thing with Healthcare. I’m sorry but Americans by and large could care less if America’s healthcare system is broken and millions of Americans are uninsured. Most ppl ONLY care if THEY can afford Healthcare and their family is taken care of medically. Thats it!
Ppl do not want America’s healthcare system fixed. And when they see their President trying to fix something that may affect (or require sacrifice) from them or their family, that is THE problem (to them)._

Same thing with Spending cuts and the deficit problem. Most ppl agree that spending needs to be drastically cut to solve America’s deficit and debt problem. UNTIL any spending cut directly affects THEM or their family.

Has ANYONE seen someone or organization stand up and say, go ahead and CUT spending for ME (or my particular group of ppl). NO! In America it is cut spending (or require sacrifice) for everyone except ME.

This is where I believe Obama (much like Carter) does not understand the American People. They do not want change, they do not want things fixed (that requires patience and/or sacrifice). They just want things immediately improved. Trying to force change or fixes down America’s throat, only makes them more resentful and hateful towards you.

If America Economic problems improves NOW (lower unemployment,etc…) to most ppl it wouldn’t matter ONE BIT, if America was the exact same as we were Prior to 2007.

**By the way I am not knocking the American People, I am guilty of what I described myself**

IMHO Republicans GET THAT about America. Republicans (much like Reagan) aren’t trying to change or fix America. To them America is fine the way it is. They aren’t trying to require sacrifice, Republicans aren’t trying to drastically change anything. Republicans just wants the economic situation in America improved. And thats it!

But maybe thats all and exactly what America needs right now

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Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I think some people hold this view, yes. This is the the ‘can’t see the forest for the trees’ kind of paradigm where, somehow, each person thinks their situation isn’t part of a larger situation, which isn’t logical. I further disagree that Obama wants to fix America, especially since it can be argued he’s fixing little. I do see him take steps to band-aid this and that situation as much as he’s able to do given his constraints, of which there are many. He also needs to consider what he can implement right now which will be least likely to get destroyed by a Republican President when one comes into office.

Qingu's avatar

I think people who hold this view tend to have no real or workable ideas on how to do a better job than Obama has and are simply playing armchair political strategist.

“Maybe that’s what America needs right now”? Well, doing nothing, like the Republicans want to do, will do exactly jack shit to help unemployment or the economy, whereas Obama’s stimulus worked as advertised. (The key is “as advertised”—the gap it was meant to fill turned out to be almost twice as big).

Qingu's avatar

I also really, really, really hate it when people claim to speak for “Americans.”

These “Americans” are a deeply divided group of over 300 million individuals, many of whom would strongly disagree with every point in this post, many of whom strongly agree with this post but for different ideological reasons, and many of whom are simply ignorant and/or pay no attention whatsoever to politics or the economy and so do not actually know what they want.

Anyone who generalizes about what “Americans” want as if they are a monolithic group is full of shit.

Judi's avatar

Its sad but probably true. If it IS true, our way of life, our dominance in the world, and possibly our survival have maybe 50 years before a complete meltdown, and that could be optimistic.

wonderingwhy's avatar

How many Americans do you think hold something close to this view?
In my experience, too many, even if they don’t all necessarily think they do.

Is this a good view to hold?
Not in my opinion, but then I guess it’s really a matter of what your goals are. I’d argue for fixing things rather than just slapping a coat of paint on and calling it new.

wundayatta's avatar

It’s a pretty naive and ill-informed point of view. Just to point out one little misconception. The author says that people don’t want to pay for everyone’s health care. They just want their own to cost less. People don’t understand that if everyone is covered, their own health care will cost less.

It’s a point of view that is probably shared by far more people than I am comfortable with. People can only see their narrow personal interest and have no idea how their fate is tied together with the fates of millions of others. What else is new?

JTSTs2003's avatar

Wow. I haven’t voted yet, because I dont feel informed enough to have a say, and I dont care to get informed until it affects me directly. (Alternatively – I am also one of the few that actually realize I have no validation to bitch about the way things are too!)

Frankly, I couldnt give a rats ass about what the higher-ups did…as long as my life was running smoothly. I think the above describes me. So plus one american opinion for the “true” column above.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Good grief. That is worrisome, @Blackberry.

Soupy's avatar

Yikes! That’s a pretty ignorant viewpoint. I would hope that Americans aren’t as apathetic and naive as the author would imagine. It just seems so selfish. People want things to improve for them, and they don’t give a damn about the long term, nor about others? Can this person not see how their well-being and the well-being of others is so closely tied?

Qingu's avatar

@JTSTs2003, you don’t care about other people’s lives, just your own?

Out of curiosity, do you typically vote for one party over the other?

Linda_Owl's avatar

I think the conservative republicans feel like this, but I do not think that conservative republicans speak for all Americans. A great many of us do want things fixed. We know how interconnected we all are & we know that if things are not fixed now – it is our children & our grandchildren who will have to pay the price. Unfortunately, President Obama is up against very rich republicans (like the big corporations) who have the money to contribute to the re-election campaigns of members of the legislature that will go along with them. The rich republicans want him out & are willing to sell-out their fellow Americans in order to accomplish this. I voted for Obama & I will probably vote for him again in 2012. This does not mean that I like everything that he has done, but I do think that he does care & that he is trying to get the US back on track. If he does get defeated by whomever the republicans nominate, you can rest assured that things will get MUCH WORSE for those of us who make up the 99% of Americans.

JTSTs2003's avatar

@Qingu I don’t vote, remember!! I almost voted for McCain last time…but couldnt decide at the last minute because there were two issues that were important to me & it was split because while most of what I wanted was McCain, Obama was on the side of one of the issues that I thought was important. Of course I can’t remember what they were now…I know one was abortion but the other one slips my mind. Anyway…last minute on the last day, I decided I still wasnt informed enough to vote since I couldnt decide, so I didn’t.

& Yes, I am selfish in this way for everyone else. To each their own. I’d rather have my life go good NOW, than my great-great-great grandchildren’s who I will never meet and will probably never even know my name. Let them figure it out for themselves. shrugs

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