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If Newt is the only one that shows up for the Trump Debate, should he debate himself?

Asked by ETpro (34469points) December 7th, 2011

Newt has been on both sides of just about every issue, depending on who’s the highest bidder at any given time. He could debate himself by facing right to claim climate warming is not understood, then facing left and explaining how solid climate change science really is. And so on for just about everything he’s stood firmly for and against. And both left and right Newt could take swipes at Romney for being a flip-flopper. Left Newt could slam Right Romney and Right Newt could excoriate Left Romney. I think this could make great reality television, and the Donald would get soo much camera time with only one person there competing.

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WestRiverrat's avatar

Santorum has accepted the invitation also. If it ends up being just the two of them, I would like to see a Lincoln-Douglas style debate. Let one talk for 45 minutes, then the other for an hour then let the first one finish for 15 minutes.

jrpowell's avatar

It is pretty awesome to watch a political party destroy itself before my eyes.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Newt publicly ridicules Freddie Mac now, but received $1.6 million from them after he left congress… just before the housing market collapse.

But he did get one thing right

King_Pariah's avatar

Sigh, I’d like to see Newt be a good human for once, and step down and out… I can dream can’t I?

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Ron Paul a Racist? Is that the best you can do?

And sorry, but accepting money from questionable groups only reaffirms his stance to let people live how they want. Accepting money from Nazi’s isn’t nearly as profound as receiving more donations from Military than all other candidates Including Obama combined.

Libertarianism is the enemy of ALL Racism

everephebe's avatar

God I hope it’s Ron Paul vs Obama, those would be awesome debates, no?

rojo's avatar

Would it be a win-win or a lose-lose situation? I say they should as Gary Johnson to participate.

jaytkay's avatar

Ron Paul a Racist? Is that the best you can do?

LOL Ron Paul hates the racist rants that Ron Paul wrote. What a hero. LOL!

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Do you think RP is lying in the vid I linked @jaytkay?

Aethelflaed's avatar

I feel like there’s a video of Bugs Bunny or some other animated character debating himself, just running around, doing all the parts. I feel like this debate has the potential to be that hilarious.

ETpro's avatar

@WestRiverrat Ha. The Donald would never accept that. He has to get more camera time than anyone else there. So does Newt. So Santorum will probably get a quick pan shot every 15 minutes or so.

@johnpowell I’ve never seen it happen before, and it is a fascinating thing to observe. It’s like the derailment and wreck of a bullet train. It just keeps going and going. But it’s actually a pretty common occurrence in US history.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies See my answer to @CaptainHarley for a rebuttal of some of Ron Paul’s positions, but I totally agree with him that a great deal of our deficit and of the hatred of America elsewhere in the world is due to militaristic adventures meant solely to support the military industrial complex that pours money into Congress to get us inot war after war abroad to boost their profits.

@CaptainHarley Ron Paul is as wrong as you can get on a lot of issue. We are not in the mess we are in because we are overtaxed and over regulated. It’s the exact opposite. But regarding the need to audit the Federal Reserve, Dr. Paul is 100% right.

@King_Pariah Sure you can dream. As long as Newt dreams he can actually get himself and all his skeletons in the closet elected President of the United States, why shouldn’t you dream as well?

@jaytkay I think Ron Paul would be a disaster as POTUS. I also know he has a snowball’s chance in Hell of getting to that office., But I definitely slaute him for bringing so much truth to the public debate.

@everephebe I’d love to see that too, That would get a real debate going about what sort of nation we want to be. Sadly, I don’t think the GOP base will ever let that happen. Men like Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman are simply far to sane to win a current GOP primary.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies May the games begin. :-)

@Aethelflaed With the Donald moderating, it will most certainly have a cartoon flavor. To bad we cant’s overdub Yahety Szx as the theme music.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

@ETpro “We are not in the mess we are in because we are overtaxed and over regulated. It’s the exact opposite.”

You may be the only person I know that believes more government intrusion upon the rights of individuals is somehow a good thing. That’s how I take your comments. Please… please correct me if I’m mistaken.

ETpro's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies I am hardly the only person that believes that. I am in a very large majority. The Casino Capitalism on Wall Street, made possible by the deregulation of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act of 1999 made the financial collapse not only possible, but inevitable. It established conditions where Wall Street banks could take enormous risks at incredible leverage and if they won, they would keep all the profits. Internal memos show that they KNEW that when one such bet inevitably blew up, they would be bailed out because they were too big to fail. That was privatization of profits and socialization of risks. And every GOP candidate including Ron Paul wants to go back to that same scenario, only this time on steroids. Complete laissez-faire capitalism.

jrpowell's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies :: Do you realize that all the Ron Paul spam makes us hate him even more? I see enough of it on Reddit, Digg, Newsvine, and on and on. 9 out of 20 responses are yours about RP and you were the first person to bring it up.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

At this point, I’m only answering for accusations against RP that are misrepresentative of his position. I’d be pleased to answer for your “hate” of him as well. It’s just something that I can’t fathom how someone could hate anything RP stands for.

jrpowell's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies :: He is anti-choice. He kinda lost me there. I do agree with him on getting out of wars and drug policies. But I also disagree on fiscal policies.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies Maybe because they just flat out disagree on his philosophy? Not everyone is a libertarian. There are people who just genuinely don’t buy into it as a philosophy, not just people who believe in it but then don’t apply it consistently. Also, because sometimes he doesn’t walk the walk; he seems perfectly ok with making abortion “the most important issue of our age” (just like all the other supposedly small-government politicians) when it suits him. His entire schtick is that he actually is about consistently applying small government policies and focusing on fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. But then that doesn’t play out in reality.

@ETpro Oh. My. God! Yackety Sax!! Ok, so, who hopes that some sketch show gets the rights to play this debate as “a skit” and not “a real thing that happened”?

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

This is good to discuss these issues. It helps clear up some of the confusion about RP’s positions.

RP comes from a unique position of having delivered over 4000 babies during his medical career. He is the only candidate you’ll ever witness looking at the deeper notions of this issue, rather than the quick sound bite that satisfies a political base.

First, he wants to take abortion to the state level, and get the federal government out of it. In this way, his views on abortion don’t count in the big picture.

Second, as shown here on The View, he discusses the misconceptions of Rowe vs Wade, that many don’t know about.

RP suggests approaching the abortion issue intelligently, by distinguishing differences between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd trimester abortions. He wants to address the hypocrisy of how a woman can have an abortion, but a doctor can be sued or a criminal can be prosecuted for harming the unborn. One doctor failed at an abortion attempt in the womb, so decided to drown the baby. That doctor was charged with murder.

RP wants to look at the subject of abortion with the clarity that it deserves. You’ll find no other candidate that can discuss the subject so thoughtfully and intelligently.

Just so you know, I am Pro-Choice myself. I don’t agree with abortion, but I’m not going to foist my position on others. You can confirm my Pro-Choice stance with a myriad of past fluther comments.

@Aethelflaed I do not understand what you mean that RP doesn’t walk the walk. Please give an example. What do you mean that his schtick “doesn’t play out in reality”?

Aethelflaed's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies I was talking about the abortion issue. Yes, I know he comes from an obstetrics background, and yes, having more than than a pamphlet’s worth of info on the topic is better than a lot of candidates – but on the other hand, I think he’s then a big example of why women are hesitant to have male OB/GYNs. And no, he doesn’t always want to remove the federal regulations – he cosponsored the Sanctity of Life Act, which would have defined on a federal level personhood as beginning at the moment of conception. He also voted for the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. So, yeah, he has no problem bringing it to the federal level when it suits him.

jrpowell's avatar

“In this way, his views on abortion don’t count in the big picture” Unless you live in Alabama or Texas.

Seriously.. You read like a e-mail I delete.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

Surely you agree that defining the moment of life is an issue separate from and bigger than just the abortion issue. Without it, there is no basis for malpractice or violent crimes against the unborn. I can’t help it if the abortion debate gets dragged along with it.

The Sanctity of Life Act further would have recognized that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state.

It doesn’t mandate protecting the lives of unborn. It only gives authority to do so if deemed appropriate, on a state by state basis. It’s much easier and appropriate for citizens to affect a change upon their local governments. And the option to move to another state which is more aligned with a persons individual values is a benefit to all.

prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.[4]

Doesn’t mandate my tax dollars to fund abortion on demand for someone else’s decision.

And yes, the “prohibits” draws the line on a national level on Partial Birth Abortions. Even I, as a Pro-Choice supporter have to draw the line somewhere. It just doesn’t grok with me that a baby can be half born and still be aborted. Yet two seconds later a doctor can be charged with murder for drowning an unsuccessful abortion. Or that a child could be aborted at 7 months, but I could be charged with two counts of manslaughter by killing a newly pregnant woman in a car accident.

Pro-Choice advocates are quite capable of lobbying local governments to determine the span of time allowable for state level abortion laws. They can also fund abortions from within their own ranks if fearful that choice is limited by socioeconomic status.

But none of us have to worry about a federal mandate one way or the other. Some issues require compromise for heavily contested debates between two entrenched world views.

@johnpowell You get emails on this stuff? Where do I sign up? Having access to both sides of any debate can only be a good thing.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies I have no interest in debating abortion with you, partly because of the condescending tone you’ve taken. What I was pointing out was why I don’t agree that Ron Paul is the libertarian avatar many think he is.

RealEyesRealizeRealLies's avatar

I’m not debating abortion. If my tone has been viewed as condescending, then I truly apologize.

philosopher's avatar

Check on Youtube Gingrich says the US should support the Libyan Rebels on one Video and we should not on another.
I want none of these clowns. None Represent what is best for America. None is a real Leader. Gingrich Represents best a small Minority of wealthy anti research people. Who believe that everyone who is not wealthy should be their salves, That their religion should rule America. They remind me of the Iranians. Their beliefs are Fascist and undemocratic.

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