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Which have been the worst bullying/harassment cases?

Asked by raven860 (2179points) January 20th, 2012

I am interested in cases where the target was unfortunately driven to an extreme point.

Also what do you think of people who make it their goal to destroy or intently harm other people’s lives?

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Nullo's avatar

Well, there was a case a few years back where a girl was Myspace-bullied to the point of suicide. To find any worse, you’d have to go looking for body counts.

I think these people are screwed up. They probably need unscrewing. But in the meantime, we need to keep them from hurting others.

zensky's avatar

The ones ending in death?

raven860's avatar

@zensky

Can you name a specific one that comes to mind?

linguaphile's avatar

A bit of perspective. Prior to 2000 (?)- Bullying often occurred only during school hours, came from few people, and home was a reprieve. 2011-Bullying occurs for 24 hours because of the internet, strangers jump the bandwagon and there is NO reprieve, no break, no end in sight. Bullying is not just a schoolyard issue anymore. Today’s parents don’t have experience to draw from to help their kids.

Bullycide list, UK The bottom of the list mentions some US and Canada deaths.

A year of bullycides

And yet another

raven860's avatar

@zensky @filmfann @linguaphile

Would you say you have seen or heard about similar if not worse forms of harassment in the adult world? (in social circles or the workplace) I mean of course there are wars and the like that result in a high body count but… other than that….in places it should not exist.

raven860's avatar

Also are you guys aware of any cases where bullies were apprehended before their target committed suicide? They could have been apprehended for enacting things such as threats, physical altercations, libel, slander, rumor-spreading, stalking, cyber-stalking and the like.

Is there a list of “zones” or schools in the U.K/U.S rated accordingly to their bullying/harassment issues?

filmfann's avatar

@raven860 Of course I could include my famous ex-boss, who was the worst boss in the world. He bullied and threatened his way through the scandal following his rape of a co-worker.

linguaphile's avatar

My son was systematically targeted and when a friend of his killed himself, people were telling my son to go kill himself almost everyday. He contemplated suicide—I moved him to a different school and he says it saved his life.

No apprehension and even now, 2 years after high school, he will run into people from that time and they still attack him. The girl who started the chain of events that led to him being a target is the daughter of the woman who started the chain of events that led to me being a target at work. Small town bullcrap.

I don’t think the media is interested in those stories, though. They should be!

There is one book that tells the victims the best way to stop bullies is to befriend them. What do you think about that? A good question, I think.

raven860's avatar

@linguaphile

Can you tell me more about your and your son’s experience about this. Which tactics would you say they used for harassment? What did you try to solve this problem?

linguaphile's avatar

My son started 9th grade at this school where he knew 1 girl from summer camp. They were good friends at camp and he was thrilled to move somewhere where he knew someone. She had grown up at that school.

The first week he was there, she suddenly stopped talking to him—apparently, he wasn’t cool enough for her friends, so she would roll her eyes and say OMG, OMG over and over when he would talk to her. She ignored him completely and would not answer his questions about what was wrong—only would smile sweetly and say, “What? Anything wrong? Of course not!” Then when he thought everything was okay and said, “Hi,” she would say OMG, and ignore him again. This turned her friends off to him.

My son was fully blindsided by this sudden change in her friendship and tried several times to talk with her and ask what he did wrong. He approached her with concern and caring, but she would freak out and tell her friends he was stalking her- that didn’t help his case. He was on the football team with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend started to push my son around and said to stop harassing his girlfriend. Funny thing is, when her car broke down later, it was him she called to give her a ride home because her friend had a nail appointment that she wouldn’t cancel—and being who he is, he gave her a ride home.

One day, he stood up to her and said, “Enough!! Stop it!” She twisted that around into an attack and went crying to her friends again. I work with her mom, so I thought—okay, maybe the moms could figure it out. For 2 months after that kids at school would say, “Waa, waa, run to your mommy,” to my son constantly- in class, in the halls, they said, “WaaWaa.” I simply couldn’t protect him. It started with that small group of kids targeting him, but by his junior year, it had become a large group of kids—it was like cancer and teenagers are like that—they jump on the bandwagon without using their own judgment calls. There were situations where my son would do something innocuous and they would slap their own ugly interpretation on it and in their minds, it became fact.

My son, amazingly enough, just kept on being himself and slowly got his own group of friends. He did, however, become bitter and developed a low self esteem, but kept on the best he could. Many teachers loved him and when one of his swim teammates committed suicide, it was our house everyone came to for group support—my son’s kindness was evident to everyone, but they couldn’t afford to really be friends with him without becoming a target too. After the suicide, some people started telling my son to kill himself to make the world a better place.

After that, I just moved him to a different school. When he moved, some kids there called his old school and they were told he was a woman-beater so he had to start there on a deficit as well. The only thing I can say is – he made it through, hit some really rough spots, has become very crusty and seems hard at first, has to deal with a poor self-perception and is still healing from it, but is doing really well these past few months. He graduated 2 years ago—it took 2 years to really stabilize again.

I have learned from this situation that bullying is not just an individual to individual thing, but can easily become a group activity. The more people that target the victim, the more justified they feel in increasing or continuing the bullying. It’s unbelievable how strong groupthink is when it takes over. Sometimes even teachers get involved and they feel empowered and fully justified in attacking a student because everyone, together, has agreed that crappy person totally deserves it. Even after suicide occurs, there is sometimes no compassion because the group has established an agreement that the person is that worthless. I’ve seen it with my son, among the students I teach and in different situations. This scenario is far, far from unique—it’s everywhere.

Sometimes the “poison” can be stopped, sometimes it really can’t because everyone’s too invested in their mindset. I’ve said a lot—there’s a lot to say about bullying, targeting, mobbing, victimizing, attacking—all that. I know you’re studying this area, so anything to help your studies!!

raven860's avatar

@linguaphile

Thanks for telling me. I really appreciate time you put into it to explain to me all the details. Befriending a bully? I have never thought of that however from my current understanding I wouldn’t support it. Also, I believe it depends on the situation….because just like many other things Bullying/harassment are of different types and done for different reasons. Sometimes it can be “harmless bullying” i.e part of growing up or calculated, systematic bullying that is meant to deliberately harm and perhaps even destroy the targeted individual—(the most common methodology being a group mobbing/grouping onto the target in a rabid fashion) which at times is sick & demented. I know what you mean by your son’s case not being a unique case…it truly is an epidemic that I think a lot of people are not aware of.

I think befriending the bully (if it even works) would only mean the bully would move on to the next target and you would end up supporting his/her behavior. This is the “best” possible outcome and I fear the least likely…since it would be giving the bully power over you ( aka he can put you through something similar to a hazing ritual) to get accepted to be in his friend circle.

I really don’t get why schools act as an authoritative figure (Punishing/how to deal with the situation) when it comes to bullying. ALL forms of harassment must be taken up with Law Enforcement with school admins being told what they MUST do legally…other than the small harmless bullying…and any person with half a brain should be able to identify between the two.

When it comes to challenging and defending against bullies…there are a few things that I would recommend.

1) Identifying methods of bullying and known bullies
2) Be knowledgeable about laws in your state that punish various forms of harassment
3) Be knowledgeable about methods to document various methods of harassment ( It can be a clandestine camera, mic, etc. I have been told Cameras work best. (However not all states allow secret recording and therefore you need to be clear if its legal).
4) Be willing to charge the said bullies to the full extent of the law (understanding them and why they behave in the said way is extremely secondary. Rarely a person (bullies) learn without being punished.)

When it comes to increasing your child’s defense:
-He must go into high-school knowing well (or in some cases too much knowledge might be harmful) about such bullies. He should also know about the kind of help he should get & not be ashamed/afraid to get an adult involved. He should be the bullies will say anything to escape the wrath of getting caught and being punished.

I have more to say-regarding “bully-proofing” your child in a way. I will add more either later today or tomorrow.

Also, regarding our messages, I apologize for not doing so in December…I was out of town for nearly three weeks after that time and hence replied once I got back in January.

linguaphile's avatar

@raven860 December and January are sporadic months for me too.

Have you looked at the Namie’s Workplace Bullying Institute? I can’t remember if I told you about them.

raven860's avatar

@linguaphile

Oh, Yes that website probably states anything I have said in a much better way + a lot more information. I didn’t have the time to go through it earlier ( I think you had messaged me the link). That website however is primarily regarding workplace bullying and the laws regarding. Although I doubt bullying/harassment cases & laws are much different for college and k though 12….I must ask have you come across any websites that specifically talks about them and is similar (in terms of the caliber of information) to the Workplace Bullying Institute?

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