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jrpowell's avatar

Please don't edit my answers.

Asked by jrpowell (40504points) February 15th, 2012

It was done here and is completely unacceptable. I have no problem if you would have just yanked the whole thing. But removing the parts you don’t like is wrong.

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janbb's avatar

Oh I agree! That is wrong. Either pull the whole thing or leave it stand. Someone is being a control freak.

marinelife's avatar

Totally wrong. If an answer needs editing, you can offer that as an option to the user in question rather than pulling it, but editing it by the mods? Damn, that is beyond the pale.

It is like changing the Martin Luther King quote on his memorial!

marinelife's avatar

Hey, jp, what did your original answer say?

jrpowell's avatar

I hate to pull out the “slippery slope” card but I will. Just delete it if you dislike what I say. I don’t mind. Next we will see adverbs magically change. Or modified answers where things are taken out of context.

@marinelife :: If I remember correctly it was expressing outrage for hitting kids. My language might have been terse and sprinkled with profanity. But Like I said, just delete it. And hitting a kid still makes you a bad person.

Or email me or send me a PM giving me some options.

Seaofclouds's avatar

Just wanted to let you guys know that the mods can not edit responses. We can only remove them. Augustlan is the one that can do internal edits. I sent this to her so that she can explain it better.

jrpowell's avatar

That is what I thought. I talk with her on aim a lot so I wonder if the weed made me forget agreeing to the edit. But the last time I was on AIM with her was the 12th. And that post was a day ago.

marinelife's avatar

OK, good to know @Seaofclouds! Now we shall await augie’s words of wisdom. Love her, but don’t want her editing my responses even.

JilltheTooth's avatar

Did you already ask Augustlan about this? What did she say?

jrpowell's avatar

Haven’t seen her on AIM since I noticed this.

marinelife's avatar

@JilltheTooth Seaofclouds said she sent the Q to Augie. I imagine Augie is asleep right now.

jrpowell's avatar

She most certainly is. And I do feel bad about dropping this stinker on her while she sleeps.

edit :: But I do think it is important for her to get feedback about how this is unacceptable.

jrpowell's avatar

I will also add that if I know she was the only one that could edit (bendrew excluded) I would have just taken this to her.

But since I thought all mods could I figured it needed to be public.

chyna's avatar

I thought cussing was allowed on Fluther.

JilltheTooth's avatar

Yes, @marinelife , I read the thread. I was just curious if @johnpowell had addressed this with her before making a public deal out of it.

jrpowell's avatar

@JilltheTooth :: Nope. I would have if I knew it was only her that could do it.

edit :: But it is too late to put the cat back in the bag.

ucme's avatar

“Airbrushed” answers doesn’t seem the way to go at all, as you say, either keep it as is, or get rid.

SpatzieLover's avatar

I had no idea editing an answer in this way was even a possibility.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t think I have ever seen that done before? Mod part of an answer? I don’t know if it bothers me or not. If I only stepped over a line in a small part of my answer, maybe I would want the rest to still stay up there? I have to think about it.

jrpowell's avatar

I would like the option. Just remove it and ask. As far as I know this is the first time this was done so it isn’t like it will suck up all their time.

JLeslie's avatar

@johnpowell Well, you still have the option, Auggie can still completely mod it for you I would think. Any mod can for now probably, and then you can discuss it with auggie. Did you flag it? Flag it with a comment that you prefer it be completely modded.

The mods will probably discuss the topic once they see this Q.

jrpowell's avatar

That is irrelevant. The behavior needs to be changed. Doing enough to fix my problem doesn’t cure the underlying issue.

JLeslie's avatar

@johnpowell Oh, I agree, I am just saying temporarily until they discuss the matter.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I agree with @SpatzieLover. I’ve never seen such a thing on Fluther and do find it unacceptable.

gailcalled's avatar

@johnpowel: I am sympathetic but this is not a question but a topic for debate and as such, should be discussed privately with Auggie. All polemics, at least so far, have been modded, haven’t they?

jrpowell's avatar

@gailcalled :: Had I know Lisa was the only one that could edit questions I would have gone to her. I think I am repeating myself.

SpatzieLover's avatar

I’m glad you brought this to everyone’s attention @johnpowell. It should be discussed by the collection.

Dog's avatar

Actually this is the kind of question that helps us all understand one another much better.

I am not sure what was edited out, however the editing of quips is very rarely done, and almost always at user request.

The exception might be a very long, well thought out quip where a personal attack would make the whole quip unacceptable. At these times it is at the discretion of upper management to REMOVE not CHANGE OR EDIT the offensive line. An Annotation is usually placed as you see in the example for this question.

I have not been around as much, but there are four people who can edit quips, none being the average mod.

All that being said I have never seen an edit like this, and it was not meant to change the meaning of the quip, but intended to leave the meat of the response.

NOBODY in upper management would EVER change what another user wrote. To do so would negate everything on Fluther. Let me repeat that again: Nobody in upper management would abuse the power of quip edit by CHANGING words. I know this because it has been discussed in mod mails several times.

No pitchforks… Trust me guys- the amount of work to keep the community flowing smoothly is sure to exhaust our upper management an often does.

I know that upper management will respond on this and remember we are all very human.

How about a big group hug and the reminder that we are okay with our answers being completely removed? (Okay some of you will still hate us for removing them but still~)

I could really use a hug myself, so I know others must too…

JilltheTooth's avatar

@johnpowell : Still curious as to why you didn’t contact the mods, then, before making this public.

KatawaGrey's avatar

@JilltheTooth: An excellent question! It seems like most other users would have been told to contact the mods instead of making a public scene. What’s your secret, @johnpowell?

chyna's avatar

I’m always up for a group hug. I’ll take any groping I can get. {{{hugs}}}

JilltheTooth's avatar

I’m a little horrified at all the users on this thread that have been here longer than I have that are supporting the public outrage before anyone knows anything about it. To assume nefarious intent from the mods or Augustlan seems a bit snarky. I think I’ll hold my judgment until we actually know something.
Shame on all of you.

I think I’ll go outside, now, it’s a bit toxic in here for my taste.

janbb's avatar

Oh jeez – nobody’s perfect and nobody’s being hypercritical of Auggie. We’re all invested in the place and we’re all discussing this reasonably @JilltheTooth .

C’mon Doggie – I’ll scratch your ears and I’ll do anything that Auggie will let me do to her and she knows it.

Dog's avatar

Though it came off with venom, this is a legit Meta question. This topic has not been brought up before to my knowledge by a user whose answer was subjected to an internal edit.

If I was in upper management I would rather see a Meta question like this and be able to clarify openly than have users think that their answers can be tampered with.

That being said the OP mentioned that he thought that ANY mod could do an internal edit, so the intent was not to call out and bash anyone in particular.

As a mod I have made mistakes. Usually when extremely tired. I would gladly jump on the grenade here for Auggie or Ben or Tim etc.and will say that, like in life, we all learn by mistakes and grow from them.

If it helps I will mention some of Dogs greatest blunders. I am sure even some users here think they have blundered in the past too. :)

Dog's avatar

@janbb Oh yay! Ear rubs!

janbb's avatar

@Dog You know you’re my favorite Doggie and Auggie’s my favorite Auggie. Want some brownies or would you prefer some blondies since you can’t have chocolate.

Dog's avatar

@janbb Cheesecake please!

SpatzieLover's avatar

@JilltheTooth I’m supporting free speech. It’s a valid topic.

janbb's avatar

@Dog You got it.

jrpowell's avatar

@JilltheTooth :: I didn’t know it was only Lisa that could edit. [removed by me]

SpatzieLover's avatar

@JilltheTooth, did you remove the rest of this response, or was it also removed by Fluther?

mangeons's avatar

Auggie was asleep when this question was asked and is on the road right now, so she hasn’t been online yet today. She won’t be online for a couple of hours, but she knows about the question now and will be here as soon as she can! :-)

cookieman's avatar

She’s likely oiling the whip.

gailcalled's avatar

For the moment, at least, @johnpowell has left the building.

rebbel's avatar

I am expectantly awaiting @augustlan’s answer, as I am quite sure that after we have read it most of us will think: “Aha, well that makes perfect sense”.

marinelife's avatar

I am so sick of people expressing their opinions and being jumped on to the point of leaving by other people who really have no dog in the hunt.

What is it with people? Why can’t they just let it go if it something someone says on here bothers them so much?

ucme's avatar

A quiet, subdued response to the answer above…..Uh huh, oh yeah! :¬)

Rarebear's avatar

As someone who once left in Fluther in a huff after having something modded (Dog and Auggie dragged me back), I have learned not to get worked up over stuff like this. Life is too short and ultimately this is just an anonymous question and answer site. So you guys have blanket permission to mod whatever I write.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UZvIZAHjlY

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

I have no idea why anyone would think this question constitutes ‘making a scene.’

Bellatrix's avatar

If I could edit responses/posts, mine would have a lot less errors that I pick up after the 10 minute rule passes.

No doubt @auggie will explain all soon.

wundayatta's avatar

It may not be seen as mature, but I’m very understanding of people who get modded and leave for a while because of it. Some of the moderation decisions here are quite quixotic, to say the least, and they leave an immediate foul taste on the tongue. “_How could they do that???__

I admit that the mature thing to do is to wait and discuss, but these decisions can be so completely ridiculous that it seems like they are made by people who are completely insane, or at least from a different planet. And while I have had one moderation attempt overturned, for the most part, this kind of insanity does seem to prevail. Meaning that a majority of mods concur.

So I don’t blame anyone for making an issue of it right away. Being angry while the anger is hot, especially in a case that seems so completely un-understandable. Unless John was drunk off his ass or high or something and really did support the change and really doesn’t remember it. Even so….

As a general principle, no one should have their answers edited for them. If they do, the modded answers should only be posted with the approval of the the answerer. Further, the mods should provide a written reason for the change and the need for the change—a reason that could be posted by the answerer should they choose to do so. The answerers should get to post any correspondence from mods, but the mods should not be allowed to post any correspondence on their own. Sorry. Mods have too much power, and answerers should be able to balance that power to some extent when appealing to the court of public opinion.

flutherother's avatar

<redacted>I <censored> <profanity deleted>agree <redacted>

Jude's avatar

“I am so sick of people expressing their opinions and being jumped on to the point of leaving by other people who really have no dog in the hunt.
What is it with people? Why can’t they just let it go if it something someone says on here bothers them so much?”

That is partly why another well loved jelly (not JP) left.

I’m sick of it, too.

gailcalled's avatar

I have no idea why anyone would think this question constitutes ‘making a scene.’

The gist is, perhaps, that the OP did not ask a question, which is the required form, but used the forum as a bully pulpit, which is a no-no.

How often have I had to wrestle the language to its knees to make sure I asked a proper question? How often have I been sent back for modding because the question wasn’t really a question? How deep is the ocean?

Rarebear's avatar

@gailcalled Knowing Simone I think she knows that and was being facetious.

gailcalled's avatar

@Rarebear: Very possible, but she italicized this and not question which, had she reversed things, would have changed the meaning for me. (How’s that for a garbled answer?)

SuperMouse's avatar

Oh heavens!

I do believe that once Augustlan returns she will have a perfectly reasonable explanation for what happened. I respect @johnpowell for stating several times that if he had known that the mods cannot edit quips, he would have gone straight to her. I also understand completely that he would want it aired publicly if indeed the mods could edit posts. Personally I am quite thankful for the fact that we can’t because I would certainly have to agree with the slippery slope argument.

@wundayatta I may be a bit biased, but I do not now, nor did I ever think the mods are “completely insane” or even somewhat irrational. I also believe the mods have a lot less power than you might think. I am pretty familiar with the way the team works and I can assure you none would carry out a vendetta against anyone on this board, and none are anything close to power-hungry.

In reality this is the internet people, I think even with a site that has a community that is as close knit as this one tends to feel, we really need to remember that. We are people from all walks of life, many different belief systems, and totally different personal experiences. We are not always going to agree and some folks are going to disagree more adamantly then others. I have been on the receiving end of lots of nasty remarks Theism threads anyone? and through it all I try to remember that the most reasonable approach is to discuss the issues with the folks who may have offended me – be they fellow jellies or mods.

FutureMemory's avatar

Hmmm.

I see this as walking out of your favorite restaurant, vowing to never return, because you discovered your fork was dirty…

Lets all calm the fuck down and wait for Auggie.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Rarebear @gailcalled I was NOT being facetious and I support @johnpowell on this matter.

mangeons's avatar

Auggie’s on her way home now! She’ll probably be here in less than an hour (I’m guessing).

JLeslie's avatar

@mangeons I’m glad you can give her fair warning before she logs on.

zigmund's avatar

This is not the first time JP has left in a huff.
The first time, Bendrew referred to the event in their French video podcast. (oh how I miss the video podcasts)
Anybody remember this guy?

HungryGuy's avatar

I, too, have left in a huff a few times over the censorship moderation here, but I’ve always come back :-/

Buttonstc's avatar

Might it be that JP left for awhile due to all those who jumped down his throat about his posting in Meta in the first place rather than PMS

IN SPITE OF the fact that he stated SEVERAL TIMES that if he had known it was NOT just any Mod who could do internal edits, he would have used PM.

Don’t any of you people read through a Q thoroughly before shooting from the lip?

I think he just got tired of having to repeat himself just to bring dense people up to speed.

And I don’t blame him a bit.

Why can’t people just read through the damn thread in it’s entirety first? It’s not THAT long a thread. YEESH.

janbb's avatar

Me neither – nor is it a hanging offense that the question wasn’t in question form.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

I’m just gonna sit here and eat my popcorn.

HungryGuy's avatar

Awww, it looks like JohnPowell has abandoned the submarine for good.

I think he should have waited and given @augustlan a chance to investigate and explain before going that far.

JLeslie's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate I just ate a handful of raisinettes.

DominicX's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate Yeah, I’ve been following just for fun, but I’m probably not going to respond.

Oh sh—

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@JLeslie Those weren’t raisinettes…

Jude's avatar

“Those weren’t raisinettes…”

Bwahahaha!!

KateTheGreat's avatar

Oh, people. This silly little place is just the internet. I don’t see why people always get their panties in a bunch. @WillWorkForChocolate Put that popcorn down, you had Taco Bell for dinner! >:(

HungryGuy's avatar

@Dog has been in “crafting a response” mode for close to an hour now! I bet the mods are all having a serious pow-wow right now.

Buttonstc's avatar

@HungryGuy

I seriously doubt that his problem was with Auggie.

He’s a bright guy and understood that’s she was sleeping etc.

It’s all the others jumping down his throat over this. Even tho it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to retract it once posted.

It’s like banging your head against the wall to get that simple point across. He said it CLEARLY several times.

Don’t believe me? Go back and READ what he himself said.

How many times of his repeating it would satisfy those too lazy to read thoroughly? How much more head banging do you expect him to do?

Auggie is not his problem. Look in a mirror folks.

Good grief.

HungryGuy's avatar

@Buttonstc – Right. But I never said that @augustlan was the problem. What I meant is that Auggie is in charge, and so should probably be the one to investigate and explain. That’s all I meant :-)

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@KateTheGreat How in the hell did you know that I had Ta….......... nevermind.

JLeslie's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate Yeah, Taco bell, I saw it too. Now we fast.

Bellatrix's avatar

@HungryGuy, no we aren’t. Sorry to disappoint. I suspect @Dog is off doing something useful and forgot she is even logged into this thread.

I don’t think any of the mods have a problem with @johnpowell asking the question by the way. He was concerned and upset and he asked. It would have been resolved with a lot less drama had he sent a private message but it allows us (and Auggie soon) to explain, mods really don’t have that much power. I spend 98 percent of my modding time zapping spam and asking people to tidy up their grammar. Often because one of you has flagged the question as problematic.

Ahh the power, the power… must go and ring the bells now.

Buttonstc's avatar

@HungryGuy

You said he should have waited.

He has other ways to contact her on a regular basis so why should he hang around here while all the lazy readers take a dump on him. (or did you miss that part?)

JLeslie's avatar

Oh, and I thought about the main question, as I said I would, and I think I am ok with a partial mod.

HungryGuy's avatar

@Buttonstc – I missed that part :-/

Dog's avatar

@wundayatta You and I have both been here a long time and have had this discussion numerous times. I realize you are entitled to your opinion and have always modded to your request when you wish the responses to your question be strictly on-topic.

However, in my opinion your comment above crosses the line. There is a vast difference between disagreeing with moderation and name calling.

I respect your overall opinion and your right to say it. Please correct me if I am wrong here, but your continued determination to bash moderation at any chance that avails itself looks more like you are digressing to petty bullying.

KateTheGreat's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate You know that car that has been following you for the past 7 weeks? Yep, that’s me.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@KateTheGreat You should have said something! I would’ve invited you in to share my Taco bell and chocolates! Wait… If you’ve been following me for 7 weeks, that means you saw when I [Removed by the CIA]

AmWiser's avatar

Yay! @augustlan is crafting a response and it appears there are many (10–13) watchers waiting.
Might as well score an Exhibitionist award while I can.:D

Bellatrix's avatar

I agree @AmWiser. Why not! Waits patiently for the boss to speak.

JLeslie's avatar

Oooh, so excited! We have been waiting all day!

SpatzieLover's avatar

<cuts anticipation with knife>

auhsojsa's avatar

I’ve had a “tag” changed on me before. I disagreed with it amongst a mod. They changed it back. Valah. I was mad, I got over it. But I can understand what @johnpowell is going through.

Imadethisupwithnoforethought's avatar

lurking all day on this not wanting to get involved but fascinated

Bellatrix's avatar

Award frenzy in progress.

FutureMemory's avatar

I hope Auggie gets paid a lot to put up with this shit.

auhsojsa's avatar

Brb, going to Carls Jr. down the street, I’m looking forward the this resolution.

Blackberry's avatar

(Starts playing O Fortuna)

Jude's avatar

I think that we all need to get out more, lol!

KateTheGreat's avatar

(Rolls out the red carpet.)

auhsojsa's avatar

While On Hold

This Song To Lighten the Mood

Goes well with @katethegreats actions

AmWiser's avatar

I must refill my wine glass. Be right back.

Bellatrix's avatar

Well @johnpowell didn’t mean to (and I hope he comes back soon because I like him) but at least we are all laughing and having fun now. A much better situation than before I think. Hands out beers, canapes and a few boxes for people to sit on while waiting. Everyone okay for drinks now?

Blackberry's avatar

@Bellatrix He’ll be back, FM’s restaurant fork example was spot on.

auhsojsa's avatar

JP you don’t know me but I admire your answers and responses truly a great opinionated person. Please come back.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Oh, damn, the things you miss when you’re actually paying attention to the lecture in school!

Bellatrix's avatar

Anyone got a good song we can sing?

When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Auggie comes to me,
Singing words of wisdom… Let it be….

augustlan's avatar

NOTE: While we generally ask that questions about a specific incidence of moderation be taken directly to a moderator, this situation is so uncommon that it should be discussed publicly.

I was asleep, then gone all day, and just got home. Sorry it took me so long to respond, guys!

@Dog Has got it partially right, but there are only three people who can do an internal edit: myself, Ben, and Andrew. And since Ben and Andrew don’t do any modding here for the time being, for all intents and purposes, it’s just me. Partial modding is not unprecedented, but as has been mentioned, it is done very rarely. We would never change the words you write, but we do reserve the right to remove all or some of it.

Here’s what happened in this particular scenario:

Initially, two replies in the ‘spanking’ thread were removed (completely) for being flame-baity. The author of one of them (not @johnpowell) contacted me, and specifically asked me if I could do an internal edit to remove just the flame-bait part of the answer, and restore the rest of it. Since that post was a long one, and only the very last line was objectionable, I agreed and took care of it. I assumed (wrongly, obviously) that @johnpowell would appreciate the same action on his answer, rather than having the whole thing removed. So, again, I removed only the last line, which was the only objectionable part of his answer, and restored the rest of his answer.

Now, where this well-intended action gets messed up is that I should have asked @johnpowell if he wanted me to do that, or at the very least notified him that I had done it. I apologize whole-heartedly for dropping the ball on this!

I hope he’ll forgive me, and will come back.

augustlan's avatar

My goodness you all were busy while I was working on my answer! I need a drink…

Bellatrix's avatar

Thank you @augustlan. All sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

chyna's avatar

@augustlan I understand @Bellatrix is fixing the drinks.

Bellatrix's avatar

Hands @augustlan a large glass of wine.

janbb's avatar

We love you Auggie oh yes we do…...

And here’s a brownie to go with the drink!

JLeslie's avatar

@augustlan Ok, but, I don’t think you need to apologize for modding, even though I understand you never intended to upset @johnpowell, and want to own up to making a bad assumption about what he might prefer. In my experience mods don’t give us warning when one of our posts are going to be modded, partial or the whole thing. Generally, it is up to the jelly to take it up with the moderator after the fact, sometimes an answer is reinstated.

FutureMemory's avatar

This gets my vote for most ridiculous thread of the month.

Blackberry's avatar

Since there’s so many people here, I’m going to tell a joke:

A little kid is eating cereal and reading his cereal box. On the back of the box, it advertises a magic genie that will grant one wish. The little kid is full of joy and tears the box open to get the genie.

He rubs the lamp and the genie comes out, asking him what he wants. The little boy can’t believe it and thinks of what he wants the most. The boy has always been a huge fan of Batman, so that clicks in his head. He’s thinking of his own lair and gadgets and saving the city. So he blurts out to the genie: I want to be Batman!

The genie smiles and tells him his wish will granted, does some magical hocus pocus and disappears, but nothing happens. The kid is furious and starts storming through the house, until he here’s a crashing.

Two men bust down his door, dash into the living room, and shoot the kids parents point blank and run out as if nothing happened….......

Buttonstc's avatar

@Blackberry

You do realize that sometimes you truly do have a sick mind, don’t you :)

Groooaaaannnn

JLeslie's avatar

Um, we need a mod here.

augustlan's avatar

Batman’s parent’s were killed, remember?

Bellatrix's avatar

:-( @Blackberry…. [Glad you explained Auggie!]

Okay, back to bell ringing… bye xxx

PhiNotPi's avatar

This goes to show how close we are to the brink here on Fluther. There were probably only a few seconds of unfortunate miscalculation on Auggie’s part, and look where we are now. We are always a few moments away from complete chaos.

auhsojsa's avatar

Just curious. If john powell does decide to come back can his account be revived?

PhiNotPi's avatar

@auhsojsa As far as I know, it can. I have heard of other members coming back to the site after leaving.

SpatzieLover's avatar

@auhsojsa yes. @johnpowell has had other accounts in the past and has created new ones. Many people on this thread are reincarnations.

augustlan's avatar

@auhsojsa Yes. If you leave voluntarily, you can get your account reactivated. I have to do it for him, but it’s not a problem at all. :)

Blackberry's avatar

Sorry…. :P

auhsojsa's avatar

@augustlan Will the status of “friends” previously added still hold the same? (hope this makes sense)

Berserker's avatar

lol poor Batman

I didn’t know answers could be edited by staff. I mean I figured the ability to do so was there, but I didn’t know it was something they did, occasionally.
I see, as explained, that it’s a rare thing. It would probably piss me off too, but since it’s so rare, I certainly believe that when it’s done, such is done for a good reason. And it’s pretty cool that this is an option, instead of deleting an entire answer, as long as the main point of the answer remains, if it’s legit.

Man I sound like such a hippy.

also, poor Batman

augustlan's avatar

@auhsojsa I believe so, yes.

Jude's avatar

Have I mentioned that I have a mad crush on @Symbeline? I have? Oh…

Berserker's avatar

Personally, I don’t mind when you mention it…in fact, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy ^^ That doesn’t make me conceited, cuz I know you like it too. :D

Blackberry's avatar

@syz Perhaps you could build a bridge for us…......

Blackberry's avatar

So we can get over it. :D

Response moderated (Flame-Bait)
marinelife's avatar

@augustlan Thank you for your answer, which succinctly explains what happened. I would prefer to have an answer removed than “fixed” if it was without notice.

I am just sorry that people jumped on jp with hobnail boots just for posting this. I thought it was OK to post as it seemed to be a policy that we had not known about before.

janbb's avatar

Big surprise – i agree with everything @marinelife said.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

I’m out of popcorn… dangit.

blueiiznh's avatar

fresh popcorn ready

auhsojsa's avatar

@marinelife Did the edit change the result of the over all essence/opinion? I don’t think jp got jumped on. He jumped first. What is exactly wrong with someone shooting out an opinion when another opinion is shot out.

cookieman's avatar

I was with @johnpowell until he deleted his account. C’mon, grow up. We all love you here.

blueiiznh's avatar

IMHO it is preposterous to edit like that.

cookieman's avatar

@blueiiznh: I agree, but I think @augustlan satisfactorily explained herself. She admitted to having an itchy trigger finger. She’s human, and I think she’s more than earned the benefit of the doubt – IMEHO.

I’m glad @johnpowell brought it up and I don’t think it’ll happen again.

XOIIO's avatar

Aww, I’m late.

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEE

jazmina88's avatar

flapdoodle….......

Bellatrix's avatar

I prefer stiffdoodle…

Luiveton's avatar

I’m VERY late. :( I coulda fixed y’all up with some booze.

cookieman's avatar

@Bellatrix: Well nobody likes flacciddoodle.

janbb's avatar

Sex and food – now we’re getting somewhere!

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

No. Food during sex. I win.

blueiiznh's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate is chocolate a food? just askin…...

janbb's avatar

@WillWorkForChocolate What kind of work will you do?

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

@blueiiznh Chocolate is the fifth food group.

@janbb Anything except laundry.

wundayatta's avatar

Chocolate and sex, ftw!

blueiiznh's avatar

@willworkforchocolate I thought that chocolate was the ONLY food group and the rest were just wannabees.

Keep_on_running's avatar

What an awesome thread. Here are my thoughts:

johnpowell come back and;
Why do all discussions wrap up with food and sex?

HungryGuy's avatar

Mmmmmmmmm…. Food and sex…...

Kardamom's avatar

Are Flapdoodles anything like Flapjacks? Either way, is anybody hungry? I know I am.

jca's avatar

If John Powell came back, he’s under another name, because he’s not under John Powell.

Keep_on_running's avatar

The hunt is on for the new johnpowell.

XOIIO's avatar

What?? Why did he leave? Is it actually because of this?

jca's avatar

@XOIIO: yes, apparently.

marinelife's avatar

I emailed back and forth with Ryan. He said he had been thinking about leaving for a log time.

cookieman's avatar

…and the flapdoodle was the last straw.

jca's avatar

Yes but someone a few answers up said he’s back. Is that true?

SavoirFaire's avatar

@jca No, someone asked him to come back. No one said that he is back.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Lol, it wasn’t my “come back” that read like “came back” was it?

augustlan's avatar

I don’t think he left because of the partial moderation, but because of some of the reactions to this question. He’s left before, several times. I hope he’ll be back this time, too.

gailcalled's avatar

Are the number of snits one is permitted rationed or unlimited? One wonders. One is not loading this question.

augustlan's avatar

@gailcalled It’s not so much the number of snits, but the frequency of them that can cause trouble. If someone is ‘snitting’ all over the place, we do ask them to knock it off.

gailcalled's avatar

So, many snitlets would equal a few large snits, is that it?

cookieman's avatar

Nothing worse than having a snit over a flapdoodle.

Bellatrix's avatar

I have never heard/read the words ‘snit’ or ‘flapdoodle’. Thank you for the excellent new words @gailcalled.

Kardamom's avatar

@cprevite That sounds like some type of delicious German or Danish delicacy! I just hope that John comes back.

augustlan's avatar

UPDATE: I’ve spoken to JP, and he reiterated that if he’d known I was the only one who could edit, he would have waited til I was online and asked me about it directly. Still, I’m glad this discussion was public, since it’s about a little known issue. He didn’t leave because of the edit, and I don’t know if he’ll be back.

Judi's avatar

I hope he comes back.

janbb's avatar

Me too.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Me three. Come on jp, you’re getting a lot of love here!

cookieman's avatar

Perhaps we could offer JP a group hug. Where’s Allie when you need her?

wilma's avatar

I hope he comes back.

Bellatrix's avatar

And me…

Perhaps you can post this to him @augustlan.

AmWiser's avatar

@johnpowell bring your arse back to Fluther. Can’t you see you are lurved and missed.
Okay! Please…♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

XOIIO's avatar

Oh, he’ll be back.

You can never LEAVE THE GAME

SpatzieLover's avatar

<hands the PBR around>

Dog's avatar

I edited myself. Sometimes the wrath is not worth the expression that we are all better than our actions.

HungryGuy's avatar

@Dog – I can’t believe you would say something impulsive that you felt you had to redact before the time limit was up :-p

And I wish I saw what you originally said.

JilltheTooth's avatar

I think I am most surprised by how many people didn’t know that management could do this. It never occurred to me that they couldn’t do this. Enter internal edit into the search box and see how often it’s been mentioned. @Dog has been here almost 4 years and doesn’t remember having seen this be an issue before. It should be a testament to the trust that the site and the powers that be have engendered that after 5½ years no one can remember this coming up as something to be outraged about.
No one has been acting in secret, no one is going behind our backs to alter our deathless prose into twisted parodies, our “free speech” is not being infringed upon. After being here for 1½ years, and getting to know the people that keep Fluther running, I have never been worried about them abusing their power. Just the opposite, in fact, I get the impression that Augustlan is fierce in her protection of the site’s integrity.

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