Meta Question

whitecarnations's avatar

What is your opinion on this recent question I posted and the overall turn out of the atmosphere of responses?

Asked by whitecarnations (1638points) March 24th, 2012

http://www.fluther.com/141968/im-balding-and-overall-ashamed-of-my-front-hair-line-is/

This was posted in the General Section.
———————————————————————

Why do I feel like I was attacked? Am I really beside myself with this feeling? Where did I step over the line? I’m trying to figure this out.

Observing members: 0 Composing members: 0

32 Answers

wundayatta's avatar

I think people didn’t like it that you were ashamed of your tonsorial situation. You kept defending your shame. It was weird.

Berserker's avatar

Erm, I see a strong leaning against wearing a hat for the interview, but I don’t see that you’re personally being attacked. In fact, you’re the one who lashed out at one of the members by calling them a ’‘goddamn troll’’ near the end of the thread. I know that user a bit, and I can assure you he ain’t a troll. You gotta chill out a bit, man.

Coloma's avatar

I felt your Q. was valid and sincere, hey, almost everyone here has a go round or two once in awhile. I’m the veteran “old broad” and even I, who is normally a very easy going and humorous type have had a few fisticuffs with a couple of members.
Like “real life”, not everyone is going to be a blend, however….you DID resort to derogatory name calling, God Damn troll and that always gets up ones hackles.
The zoo is full of many animals and it takes some time to navigatete and get a feel for others personalities.

The grazing animals learn to avoid the carnivores.
I vote for starting over and doing your best to not resort to egoic posturing and name calling.

bkcunningham's avatar

I think the member who set you over the edge thought their response was cute and thus, they added the “lol.” IMHO, you took it too personally. I don’t think it was a way of laughing at you, @whitecarnations.

whitecarnations's avatar

@Coloma @Symbeline @wundayatta Thanks I’m grateful for your opinions. Yes I admit I blew up with calling someone a troll. But I did feel to laugh at someone is pretty wrong. I mean to paint the picture as if going to an interview was a game was totally not the intention. I was dead serious being it that most places I’ve applied were coastal and laid back atmospheres.

Coloma's avatar

@whitecarnations Cool, so it’s all resolved. NOW…as long as the hat you wear is not an asshat, it’s all good. ;-)

SuperMouse's avatar

I think that thread consists of a little bit of tough love from The Collective. It is a bummer that you are ashamed of your hairline (even though it is genetic and totally out of your control) and all involved wanted to assure you that it is nothing to be ashamed of. I think @wundayatta is right, those folks were telling you that there is no need to be ashamed and instead of listening to the opinions you asked for you wanted to convince them that you should be ashamed. Everyone on that thread seemed to want you to get that job and the consensus was that if you wear the hat, odds are you wouldn’t get it. The Collective cares for their own @whitecarnations, and in that thread they did their best to show it!

P.S. I am a California girl through and through spent my whole life there and I would not consider wearing a hat to a job interview, even if I was as bald as Captain Jean Luc Picard!

dappled_leaves's avatar

@SuperMouse I was going to post and didn’t, and now I’m glad because you said everything I was going to, only better.

SuperMouse's avatar

@whitecarnations might I just add that it is a bummer that the thread took such a horrendous turn at the end. My suggestion to avoid those issues in the future is not to assume people are trolling. I really think FutureMemory’s comment about his dad being able to take on your dad was an attempt to lighten things up a bit – rather than trolling. As it turned out a lot of the thread had to be gutted because it became so full of attacks and off-topic answers. Never a good thing.

@dappled leaves, thank you!

KateTheGreat's avatar

To be sincere, sometimes people get a bit frustrated when people take things to personally. Around here, you can’t let small things get to you like that or victimize yourself, or people will get worked up. What I saw was that you seemed to take a comment the wrong way. If you stay around here long enough and actually get to know the personalities of the users, it’s easier to differentiate when someone is actually being vitriolic.

Realize that this is the Internet, here we can all say or do whatever we want, and you shouldn’t take it to heart whenever a person you do not know at all says something that seems vicious. Personal attacks are moderated here, a you have seen on your question, but you have to brush it aside unless a person is being infathomably vicious towards you, even then, contact a mod and they can judge what’s the bet for the situation.

FutureMemory's avatar

Unfortunately my final post on your thread was modded.

I’d really appreciate a response, @whitecarnations

ucme's avatar

I missed the whole thing so I can’t really form an objective opinion.
I did glance at the question via your link & well, whenever there’s a ton of modded answers in a thread, it kind of makes me smile a little.

FutureMemory's avatar

@ucme I miss the days when modded answers displayed the name of the jelly that made the post.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@FutureMemory That would allow for a whole new level of interpretation…

ucme's avatar

@FutureMemory Yeah, you’d get used to the same names popping up & just fill in the blanks

DaphneT's avatar

Wow! When I left that post this morning none of the posts seemed to require modding, but if the two I did see were repeated and escalated then I guess that became necessary.

The question you posted was fine, majority of the answers seemed to the point regarding the hat, but not too many gave ideas on how to wear the hair without it. I put that down to most people not being into hair styling and therefore not feeling qualified to advise on that portion of the question, which I thought would be tough to do without a good picture. Quite a few segued to express their opinion of your expression of feeling shame, best expressed by @SuperMouse, above, but I haven’t noticed that Flutherers hold back on such expressions.

So, overall you’ve experienced what seems to be a normal Fluther Q & O & A. And yes, that O is for Opinion. Even in General you’re likely to get opinions, so unless you the Original Poster reminds someone that they haven’t answered the question you thought you asked, the discussion can devolve or be hijacked. It can still be hijacked.

Normal so far.

SavoirFaire's avatar

Fluther is like a family reunion. You don’t want to miss it, but you don’t get to choose who else is invited. Oh, sure—you might say you have no interest in seeing everyone again. But if that was true, you wouldn’t have come in the first place. Like every family, though, Fluther sometimes gets into stupid arguments over what should have been fairly straightforward statements. That’s because we don’t just have opinions, we also have moods. If you spend enough time around people, you’re going to see them in a bad mood. Moreover, they’re going to see you in a bad mood. I’m no more innocent in that regard than anyone else.

In short: welcome to the adult table—where we confirm that age does not necessarily bring wisdom!

Coloma's avatar

@SavoirFaire I like your spin on the collective, however, not that it matters, or anyone cares, haha…BUT….I can honestly say that I am not one to take my moods out on others, I am not a moody person to begin with, and while I might get testy back to someone who is being an ass, on rare occasions, I have never, not once, come onto the site in a crappy frame of mind looking to stir up trouble.

It’s called emotional consistency/ maturity and emotional consistency is what I watch for with others, in real life as well as here. After 2 years as a member, this month infact, I can say that I have a really good handle on those regulars and how they show up. There are those that have proven, by consistent example their emotional solvency and there are those that have a reputation as difficult.
Time and observation reveals much about others stability or lack of. ;-)

syz's avatar

It’s a bit hard for me to know the tone of the thread since so much has been redacted, but what I noticed was that you seemed to completely and repeatedly disregard the overwhelming advice (which you asked for) and continued to state your own preference. Clearly, you’re going to do what you want to do. Why ask if you’re not going to listen?

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Coloma You don’t have to be trying to stir up trouble to do so. I’m guessing that a lot of people who come here in a bad mood aren’t trying to annoy anyone. They’re just doing something they do every day and happen to be in a bit of a mood. I like everyone here. I’ve never tried to piss anyone off. That said, I’ve certainly done so. You’ve pissed people off, too. It happens.

Coloma's avatar

@SavoirFaire Yes, but inadvertently pissing off someone due to their own perceptions/interpretations of what one says is not the same as chronically disagreeable, pissy, and residing in the grievance just looking for a cause zone. Big dif.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Coloma Indeed, but my original post was about the former, not the latter. And I think a lot of people would think that your latest post is an example of the latter, not the former.

Coloma's avatar

@SavoirFaire I’m confused, are you saying you think I am trying to bait you in some way? I am not, just sharing my sentiments that there are some peeps that are known for being extra fragile, shall we say. lol

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Coloma No, I don’t think you’re trying to do so at all. I just think that anyone can rub someone else the wrong way, and that the question of who is chronically disagreeable—or has any other fault—is also a matter of perception.

Coloma's avatar

@SavoirFaire True, perception is subjective, but observed patterns of continuity are not. For me to deem someone difficult they must be difficult on a regular and predictable basis, that’s all I’m saying. :-)

whitecarnations's avatar

@FutureMemory I forgot to add I do admit I took the “lol” to the next level because by then it was obvious that your opinion of me was low or so I felt. I meant to drop that in after I thanked you for admitting you were frustrated. I get the collective’s response and overall answer but I didn’t see it fit to be laughed at. I don’t see what’s wrong with trying to make sense of something by continuing to ask questions.

For me it wasn’t anything else but the “lol” that I took to heart. It could have read, “Well go ahead to the interview with your hat on, when you see the look on the interviewers face come back and tell us :)” and something along those lines would’ve made the message clear as day to me. Instead I saw the “lol” followed with great answers and that just totally offended me and I’m not sorry for that. It’s just how I am, and I would never laugh in anyones face either.

And it’s not even that I think you’re horrible person, like you said, you did me a solid, and I’m pretty sure I thanked you and still am thankful. Well I guess it’s like jellies are saying. “The more time I spend here the more I’ll get to learn everyones facade” and my facade is don’t lol me in the General Section because it offends me when I’m trying to get down to the bottom of a question with a grey area (the grey area in this case was, “what if an interviewer tells me to just wear what I would normally wear, would it then be ok to wear a hat” Anywho, I have no bad blood towards you, just in that moment, and I’m over that place.

Keep_on_running's avatar

Because insecurities are wrong! ~

SuperMouse's avatar

@whitecarnations on the internet people tend to sprinkle “LOL’s” on quips like salt on french fries. It happens constantly in some of the most inappropriate places. When I plugged lol into the Fluther search bar looking for a recent question about the over use thereof, it returned over 50,000 hits! If you are going to take every single LOL to heart you are going to make yourself bananas! This post is making me hungy.

I don’t think I have ever seen @FutureMemory purposely bait anyone and there is no doubt in my mind he wasn’t doing it there. I know that I try to keep the OP’s sensibilities in mind when answering questions, but I can’t know how everyone will react to everything. Try to keep in mind that unless a person is a troll, they typically aren’t trying to get anyone’s dander up.

Coloma's avatar

Well..everyone knows I’m the lol queen, because I DO laugh a LOT and have a very playful and humorous personality. I know “LOLs” annoy some peeps, but I toss them around liberally to denote my own laughter, to make sure others know I am being humorous, along with winky faces.

Kardamom's avatar

Here is a list of the top 50 Interviewing Mistakes. Here’s another site that points out that you should Not Wear a Hat to an Interview With a little or a lot of research, and by taking the word of umpteen members of the Fluther collective, you would have figured out that wearing a hat to an interview is always a no no.

It just seems like you really wanted to wear that hat so bad, due to your lack of self esteem with regards to your receding hairline, that you hoped and prayed that someone would tell you it was OK to wear a hat during an interview, when almost every single one of us knows it’s not. And then we were not sure why you didn’t know that. Pretty much every book on etiquette, especially job etiquette, whether it’s a real book or an online source tells you that it’s not cool to wear a hat during a job interview.

And then other members were giving you some good suggestions as to what to do about your hair so it doesn’t look bad or messy and that no one should feel any kind of shame about having a receding hairline, because it’s genetic and certainly not shocking for anyone to look at.

There are only a few reasons where I think it might be appropriate/acceptable/tolerated to wear a hat/head covering to an interview. If you were a female cancer patient, who was wearing a scarf, I don’t think anyone would hold that against you, but since you are a male, and baldness is not considered to be an unnatural state, it would be unnecessary for you to wear a hat or a scarf. For women, being bald is extremely traumatizing, not the same type of situation for a male. Another situation might be for members of certain religious groups who are proscribed by their religious teachings to wear very specific head coverings such as yarmulkes and turbans or head scarves. And the only other thing I can think of is if you were indeed being hired to model hats or the interviewer specifically told you to wear a hat.

Otherwise you have to make certain assumptions, based upon long held traditions of etiquette that should be known to most adults and teenagers and even some small children. And it’s a pretty common piece of knowledge that in current day USA, whether you’re in California or Arkansas or New York, you shouldn’t wear a hat to a job interview.

Part of me wonders if you simply never got any kind of etiquette information or training from your family or your school (that kind of stuff was drummed into me and my contemporaries from an early age) or if you simply want to be the rebbel or the odd man out, the bohemian dude who does what he wants and says F you to the man. You certainly have every right to do that, but know in advance that there are consequences that go along with not observing good manners and etiquette. One of those consequences is that you might not be hired.

You are taking the term “be yourself” too literally. If I were to completely be myself, I probably wouldn’t bother to put on any real clothes at all, I’d just wear my night gown and fuzzy slippers. They’re much more comfortable. But I know that I would not be considered for a job if I were to show up in that kind of an outfit. You’ve already pigeon-holed yourself with regards to the types of jobs that you can actually get, because you have chosen to adorn yourself with visible tatoos, have a beard and long hair. That’s your choice, but you must know that you simply would not even be considered for many jobs that are outside the realm of coastal laid back positions whatever that means. I’m from California and I’ve never heard that term before.

So if you really want the job, err on the side of caution and don’t wear the hat. If you really don’t care, then go ahead a wear the hat and take a gamble. Maybe you’ll get lucky and the interviewer will be wearing one of these

rebbel's avatar

Hehehe. you wrote rebbel.
I am messing with your spelling ;-)

Kardamom's avatar

OMG! You’re right! I’m so used to seeing it spelled that way, hee hee : )

Answer this question

Login

or

Join

to answer.
Your answer will be saved while you login or join.

Have a question? Ask Fluther!

What do you know more about?
or
Knowledge Networking @ Fluther