Some crop circles were admittedly made by a few men. What about the rest?

Absent of men who publicly admitted they made the other crop circles, it’s safe to assume they were made by aliens.

Give quote’s source please.

Huh? What is that crazy quote from?

Crop circles are all the result of humans. Or really creative llamas.

http://www.weirld.com/Paranormal/UFOs-Aliens/Newest-Crop-Circle-Theory.html

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4062

This blog post reads like a textbook example of paranoia/delusions.

“One of my favorite theories on crop circles is not so much the shape of the circle, but rather the crops that are harvested from the area. One person tried to educate me on the ‘Supercrops’ that are grown where crop circles are formed. This theory goes so far as to include a government conspiracy. When crop circles are found in the United States, the government takes the land from the farmer. The government then harvests the crops from the area and uses the food to feed a group of super soldiers. It is said that the energy in the crops heightens the human body. I have been trying to test this theory by seeing if I can purchase crops from a known crop circle, but I have had no luck. Apparently the government beats me to them every time.”

wow.

Oh, if only a few were man-made, the rest were clearly bipedal cyborg unicorns from the Andromeda galaxy.

Math brought to large visual aid via humans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x66ZSvtRzKI&feature=related

Those URLs and citations do not offer me the degree of credibility that I would require to even thing it is remotely true.

“the government takes the land from the farmer”

LOL

@Aster There are all sorts of shows on TV that combat all of these conspiracy theories.

Seriously, farming in rows allows people the ability to bring math to life. For some it’s a like a brain sport.

Here where I live it’s common for people to propose via a crop of corn or to create elaborate mazes to enjoy in the fall.

^^^^^ Conspiracy ? What conspiracy?

@Aster: “What conspiracy?”

You linked to a conspiracy theory-filled blog post about governments taking land from farmers, etc. You just linked to it.

@Blackberry , do you believe in electricity, gravity, atoms or anything you can’t see? Do you think anything exists in the universe that you can’t figure out where it came from?

getting the popcorn and watching the show.

@tom_g Yes; I linked to it. But I am not at all convinced of it !

Also by humans.

@Aster: “Yes; I linked to it. But I am not at all convinced of it !”

Ok, but you are at least intrigued. Here’s the thing – there are so many things we don’t know. The appropriate response to such things is to apply our natural curiosity, logic, reason, and the best system of acquiring knowledge we have (science) and get to work figuring it out. Science is in this business. But crop circles or any other conspiracy theory for which there is no evidence is the result of the rejection of scientific principles. We do know how crop circles are made. Save your energy and curiosity for figuring out the stuff we do not yet know.

@Aster Electricity, gravity, and atomic structure can all be measured…...

Richard Taylor of the University of Oregon suggests that it is too unwieldy for the modern age pranksters to use wooden planks, ropes, and bar stools to make the very sophisticated designs of the crop circles. He claims that advanced technology produces the perfect designs of the crop circles that we see today. The aid of GPS monitors and magnetrons make everything easy according to him.

But Taylors theory cant be proven until someone would volunteer to expose the tools for the trade.

@Blackberry I said “see.” What do you believe in that you cannot see? Anything?

Air can be measured as well. I can not see air.

The most intriguing crop circle I have ever seen appeared on my ex husbands head. Practically overnight. lol

@tom_g “Save your energy and curiosity for figuring out the stuff we do not yet know.”
No. I always am curious about stuff we do not yet know about . And that’s permanent. Besides; it takes no energy at all.

@Blackberry Tell me about measuring air.

I feel like highly advanced aliens would have better things to do than make pretty designs in our fields. But that’s just my opinion.

@Aster What lol….Why? It’s air…..A composition of gases. Pressure from the atmosphere moving from areas of high pressure to lower pressure.

@tom_g “The appropriate response to such things is to apply our natural curiosity, logic, reason, and the best system of acquiring knowledge we have (science) and get to work figuring it out.”
I agree 100%. Let’s get to work and figure this out. Soon.

munch munch munch

@Aster: “Let’s get to work and figure this out. Soon.”

Huh? We have. I’m not following this at all.

@Rarebear – Stop all that munching. It’s distracting.

@Mariah Of course, you can only work from where you sit. To you, crop circles are either manmade or silly. They’re wasting their time. But to them it’s possible they , if they exist at all, find it quite important. Like the ancients considered pyramids important to build. They had different thoughts than we have now. Seems like an awful lot of effort and manpower for nothing, doesn’t it?
If aliens think crop circles are important they may think that way because they want to do something to prove they’re so powerful we can’t figure out how they’ve done it And that they’re smarter than we are.
If aliens exist, that is.

@Rarebear ((-:

Excitable dogs chasing their tails?

@Aster, it’s possible that I am an ancient Babylonian demon and that if you don’t Paypal me $1000 within the next day, I’ll put an evil curse on you.

Are you going to give me the money? Why or why not?

No devil , no Hell, no Heaven, no aliens, no God, no 2012 disasters, no otherworldly crop circles . I’m surprised some of you believe a microscopic egg can morph into a sumo wrestler. Seriously. I call it no spiritual life whatsoever. Or a dry life anyway. To each his own.
Anyway, gonna go fishing now! Thanks for all the cool responses.

So I’ll also accept cash.

I don’t even know what to say :/

You’re welcome @Aster.

@Aster: ”... Or a dry life anyway”

There is plenty of mystery and awe to be had right here – in reality.

Argument from ignorance.

Or if people want the informative version.

@Aster, I can’t speak for anyone else in this thread but note that I won’t claim that it’s impossible that crop circles might be created by aliens. I also won’t claim that it’s impossible that a god or gods might exist; that’s why I call myself an agnostic. I’ll note that I don’t think it’s unlikely that aliens exist – quite the contrary, I’d think it was pretty strange if earthly life were a unique phenomenon. I just don’t think they’re probably messing around in our corn fields.

But I don’t consider it reasonable to heavily consider any possibility just because it’s not impossible. As @Qingu demonstrated, we can come up with any arbitrary claim (there are dragons living in the sun!) and it might be impossible, or very impractical, to assume a stance of uncertainty until proven one way or another. Using my dragons in the sun example, it would actually be impossible for me to prove to you that there aren’t dragons in the sun, because even if I sent a camera in there to look around and didn’t see any dragons, maybe the dragons are only visible on the gamma ray spectrum, or maybe they’re microscopic dragons. Is that really something I want to spend my resources investigating?

That’s why we have burden of proof. Many things are impossible to disprove, so instead, we try to prove that it is true, and if we are unable to find any evidence of such, we can draw our own conclusions. Maybe we just failed at finding the evidence, or maybe the evidence doesn’t exist because the claim really isn’t true.

One useful tool is Occam’s Razor, which says that when faced with possible explanations for an event, the explanation that requires us to make the fewest adjustments to our understanding of the universe is most likely true. So since our current understanding is that dragons don’t exist, it’s more likely that there aren’t dragons in the sun than that there are. And since crop circles can either be explained by aliens who, as far as we know right now haven’t been communicating with us at all, or man – which we do understand is entirely possible, since as you yourself say, men have admitted to making some crop circles – it’s more likely that the more “mundane” explanation is true.

I don’t see this worldview as dry or boring. Look at a DNA helix, or at Saturn through a telescope, and try to tell me again that reality as we know it, without any fantastic elaborations, is boring. I can’t possibly agree.

@SavoirFaire I’m not saying it’s aliens…but it’s aliens

I can’t wait to send a PM to Aster on 12/22/2012.

Crop Circles have been proven to be a man-made phenomenon. Yes, even the very elaborate ones that you’d think would be impossible for a few guys to make with only rope and planks of wood.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

                           
                          
                          
                          
                          
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Man made crop circle.

A few more men

They are made by horses that can’t plow a straight line. The plow and horse are hitched to a rope that is tied to a post in the middle of the future circle. Then the rope is shortened after each go-round. Everybody drinks beer when it’s finished. Except the horse.

I think the others were secretly made my a few other men. I watched a TV program once in which some crop-circle-makers revealed how they did it (and yes they did use a rope going round a pole; the rope naturally gets shorter with every rotation) but it was mostly just men with planks of wood, no horses involved.

@ And here I thought I made that up.

@Sunny2 very clever answer! And funny!

@Michael_Huntington To be fair, there is another possible explanation.

The other crop circles were un-admittedly made by a few men?

You wrote: “Some crop circles were admittedly made by a few men. What about the rest?”

I think the answer is obvious.

The rest were made by women.

I can’t believe I passed this question over without looking at it. In Delaware County NY the hills are so steep all of the animals have legs on one side that are shorter than the other side. Same is true for draft horses. It works great there. But if you put them on level ground they always work in a circle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1PPkZiHl8&feature=related

@Aster :Well. that convinces me..“Cosmic waking,” “Mind-boggling,” “known fact…” my kind of evidence.

Wow. @Aster. So, back to the conspiracy theory question again. Let’s say for a moment that this video offered something besides silly music, logical fallacies, pseudo science, and an inability to spell “their”. Let’s assume that there was something about those crop circles that we don’t have an explanation for. Who would be the most qualified to determine how these crop circles are “appearing”? Again, I’m being generous here – we already know. But let’s say that we didn’t. Would the way to discover the truth be to say it was aliens? Would it be to say that there is no way “humans couldn’t do it”? I think it would be safe to say that scientists would be the first to try to figure this out. The implication to videos like this is to say that there is some kind of global conspiracy keeping scientists from talking about this or even studying it. If these silly videos were right, we would be faced with the most significant discovery (alien life) ever. We would be all over it. Scientists would be tripping over each other in an attempt to get to these circles. The fact that it isn’t happening (other than the fact that we know it’s just people) is supposed to mean that there is a global conspiracy of some kind that is so huge that only conspiracy theorists are onto it. How does this conspiracy work exactly?

Electrical Changes Within CCircles and Three Metal Plates Found: (Astrophysicist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=b6zD7XAUqN0

Astrophysicists publish in The Astrophysical Journal

The Youtube film does not identify any of those people or give their scientific titles or credentials.. It’s even impossible to tell who the female newscaster is.

@tom_g I could kiss you for that post. Bravo!

You are so correct @Aster. Not all crop circles are man or even horse made.

Stoned Wallabies Make Crop Circles

@Aster, I’d appreciate it if you could return to my question. Why haven’t you paid me $1000?

I’d like to venture a guess: because you have dismissed my claim (that I am a Babylonian demon who has made a credible threat to curse you) out of hand. I’d like you to think about why you dismiss such a claim out of hand… and how that reason might apply also to these videos you’re posting.

@Qingu if you PM me your full name and address I’ll consider it.

I’m open to the possibility that perhaps aliens did make some of those crop circles. Afterall I’m probably one of the more open minded people on here who believes that it is very unlikely that we are alone in the universe, and that through their advanced knowledge that aliens could easily find their way here regardless of distance.

I do balk at the thought that aliens must have made the crop circles because we can offer no other explaination at this time. It is kind of like the irreducible complexity argument for God, just because we can’t fully explain and demonstrate how certain bacteria could have evolved without key biological functions it doesn’t mean that ‘God’ must have been involved.

Dennis Boocho, 555 Fake Street, Chicago, IL 60640

Q you just sent that to everyone.

^^^555 Fake St.?

@Paradox25 Exactly: it’s just a form of argument from ignorance.

I would be cautious about calling your view “open-minded,” however. There is a difference between being open-minded and letting your brain fall out of your head. Do I think that there is life elsewhere in the universe? Yes. I believe it is almost certain. Is that life intelligent? I have no idea. Even if it is, however, there is no reason to believe that said life is having any more luck with interstellar travel than we are. Even if we accept that alien life exists—or even if we accept that intelligent alien life exists—it does not follow that the alien life would be more advanced than us. Moreover, there may simply be limits to technology that would prevent even the most advanced intelligence from easily finding their way to distant places in the universe. Things don’t become physically possible just because they have appeared in science fiction.

@SavoirFaire: You don’t think that intelligent life would choose to come here and make crop circles in America and W. Europe as their major activity (followed by abduction and anal probes)?

I’m really enjoying this thread.

I found a pretty neat pic this morning.. does anyone recognize the design?

@gailcalled I think they’d be too busy fighting off the Irken Armada, raiding the Chozo ruins on the planet Zebes, and pranking the denizens of Rigel 7.

@FutureMemory The aliens have USB technology? Our universe is doomed!

No, no no no no!!! USBs were designed by aliens and this is the proof!

Are you kidding, they probably invented it.

edit: Jinx!!!!

I was skeptical. But this one has me wondering. I have always heard that aliens are fond of pizza.

Any intelligent aliens who voluntarily ate pepperoni, knowing what they know, wouldn’t get my vote.

And then there is this variant:
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@SavoirFaire I don’t think it is wise to suggest that because we don’t understand something that potentially another civilization wouldn’t. I think that given the size of the universe (that we know of alone) it is a little to rigid to believe that we must be on the forefront of scientific knowledge when compared to other civilizations (assuming they exist).

I’m fully aware of the difference between being open minded vs gullibility. There is also a difference between scepticism vs suffering from the Semmelwise effect.

@Paradox25 It’s a good thing I’ve suggested no such thing, then. I said we have no evidence for the thesis that there are aliens with advanced knowledge, not that we have evidence against said thesis. We know neither that we are nor that we are not on the forefront of scientific knowledge (even if we assume that there are intelligent aliens somewhere in the universe). You were the one who implied that aliens would be advanced if they existed. Perhaps it was just poor wording on your part, but it was worth clarifying in any case. And finally, I am not a skeptic; I am a fallibilist.