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Does America need Hillary?

Asked by Cruiser (40421points) May 11th, 2012

Her husband former President Bill says we do. According to excerpts from a new book out

“Barack Obama is an amateur.”
”“The economy’s a mess, it’s dead flat. America has lost its Triple-A rating . . . You know better than Obama does,” Bill said.”
“Obama, Bill Clinton said, “doesn’t know how to be president” and is “incompetent.”

“I’m the highest-ranking member in Obama’s Cabinet. I eat breakfast with the guy every Thursday morning. What about loyalty, Bill? What about loyalty?” she responded.”

“Loyalty is a joke,’’ Bill shot back. “Loyalty doesn’t exist in politics.”

“Why risk everything now?” a skeptical Hillary told her husband, emphasizing that she wanted to leave a legacy as secretary of state.”

“Because,” Bill replied, his voice rising, “the country needs you!”

Would Hillary do a better job? Is Bill out of bounds with his comments? Does America need Hillary now?

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majorrich's avatar

Um… No.

missingbite's avatar

We need something. Hindsight is 20/20 but I believe she would have done a better job.

GoldieAV16's avatar

The Clintons deny that the conversation ever took place, just as Hillary denied the “facts” in Klein’s previous book – about her.

syz's avatar

Your link doesn’t work. What book is this?

Admittedly, I haven’t followed the details too closely, but she seems to be doing a good job in her current position. I have to respect her for the gravitas she exhibits, and I always celebrate a woman in a position of power.

wundayatta's avatar

I think Hillary is an excellent Secretary of State. I think she would have made a better president than Obama, but Obama is light-years better than Romney, or any Republican, for that matter. I don’t know how old Hillary is, but if she ran for President again, it is very likely she’d have my support. I can’t think of anyone who has been through more than she has and learned so much doing it.

JLeslie's avatar

I can’t imagine that was said. If it was said, maybe he meant her taking the VP spot. No matter what I assume it was said in private, if it was ever said, and it disgusts me it wouldbe repeated or revealed in any way.

I would love Hillary to be President, I do think she would be better than Barack, more in line with what I want for the country. But, for now we don’t have that choice, maybe in the future she will run.

GoldieAV16's avatar

Here’s the link that I think @Cruiser was aiming for. It’s from the Rupert Murdoch owned tabloid NYP.

Cruiser's avatar

@GoldieAV16 thanks for clearing that up for me!

GoldieAV16's avatar

You’re welcome!

chyna's avatar

I think Hillary would make an excellent president.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Those who are saying that Hillary would make an excellent president…why do you say that?

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III She has the experience of having been in the white house, so she knows how the politcs work, no learning curve for her. She researched healthcare extensively while her husband is President, and I think she would tackle our healthcare problem much more in depth than Obama, we need big changes in the healthcare racket. I would assume she would be fiscally more conservative like her husband. I would not have to worry about woman’s issues (I don’t worry about that much with Obama either though). Hillary always seemed to understand minority issues, including gay rights. Even her husband hated the DADT compromise, he said he underestimated how hateful those against gays in the military are.

I think she generally is more forthright in her opinions, and willing to speak her mind.

syz's avatar

@JLeslie Do you really think that she (or anyone) could get any healthcare legislation passed in this country? Especially big changes? Obama’s haven’t even fully taken effect yet, and it’s at risk. In my opinion, the system is completely broken, ineffective, and obstructionist party politics have become more important than getting anything done to help the country.

SpatzieLover's avatar

Yes. I was supporting Hillary over Barack in the first place.

JLeslie's avatar

@syz What I want is if we are going to have this shitty system is for someone to start really putting in front of the American public the total bullshit in the system. When I receive my EOB’s it make my stomach hurt, and my blood boil. The Republicans are right that not being involved in the costs of health care as individuals is a problem. All of these HMO and PPO programs where people ay just $20 for a visit, and $100 a day for a hospital stay means most people are completly unaware and don’t care about the movement of money behind the scenes. These are sweetheart deals between employers, insurers, and doctors, along with some abuse and fraud in the system. Something must be done. If nothing is done, eventually it will get so bad there will be some sort of backlash, but it sucks we will have to live through, are living through, the pendulum as it swings farther and farther to an extreme.

I have a little anger about the topic. :) ~

Dutchess_III's avatar

@syz Exactly…Obama isn’t the first to want to nationalize health care, including Bill, among many others. Obama was the only one who was able to actually begin implementing it. Why was he able to get this done and not the others? Hillary may want to get more in depth with the health care, but that doesn’t mean she’d be able to. We’ll never know if she would have even been able even to get it off the ground, like Obama DID, where so many others before him failed.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III I don’t really view Obama as fixing the healthcare “system.” Just giving people more access to the sucky system we have.

wundayatta's avatar

@Dutchess_III No one ever spoke about “nationalizing” healthcare. Never. That is a catch word thrown around by conservatives to try to derail the discussion. I hope you aren’t trying to do that, and just don’t know that the word is inappropriate.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Still, @JLeslie, he was able to do more than anyone else. That’s my point. All of my kids now have health care. They didn’t before Obama. I don’t think he’s done with it, but he’s having to settle for a little at a time. He did it. Whether Hillary could have done even that much, we’ll never know.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III Right, we don’t know, I agree. I would assume Hillary would have a better understanding than she did back when her husband was President, that she might need to co promise, and I think Obama learned from Hillary’s mistakes.

Your state didn’t have healthcare for children before Obama?

Dutchess_III's avatar

My children are grown. Sorry! I should have mentioned that.
One of my daughters, and my son, were finally offered medical insurance through their work that they could actually afford. My other daughter is among the poor and chronically unemployed, for what ever reason (she’s not into drugs, just bad decisions.) Right now she’s a college student though, full time. (She finished her first semester the other day with a 3.98 !:) She was without any kind of insurance at all until late 2010. Since then she has been covered by the state. But she still has medical bills from prior to 2010 hounding her unmercifully.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III I should have remembered your kids are adults, sometimes I mix up jellies. I agree that Obama’s rules to cover young adults on their parents policies is a fantastic requirement. I can’t understand why insurers wouldn’t want to do it? Young men and women don’t use medical services that much.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I thought it was good too. But they aren’t covered under us. Two of them are past the age requirement, the other one has his own insurance.

I like Obama, and I’ll vote for him again. I don’t know about Hillary. In so many ways she seems so cold and shrewd and calculating. Like she has no soul, no conscience. Romney strikes me the same way, only he seems much more manipulating on top of it.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III I had not thought of the discriptive word shrew before, but I think if she is a little bit of that I am happy about it. I think how Bill Clinton stood up to Newt Gingrich when he was president regarding his budget plan was shrwed, and the way I see it, it was an effective budget.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Shrew? A shrew is a measly, whiny little animal related to a mole. It’s an insult when applied to a person, and it’s most often applied to women. Did you mean “shrewd” which can mean a lot of things. I believe Obama is shrewd too, in the positive sense of the word:
I believe Hillary probably is too, but has personal gain on her mind more than Obama.

6rant6's avatar

What a load of crap. This book was imagined by the author. He does not claim to have done any research other than what he inferred from reading the news. Then he imagines conversations over cereal. Total bullshit. And to quote him without any explanation is the worst kind of insincerity.

gondwanalon's avatar

Hillary would make a far better U.S. President than Obama. Romney would be better. But the economy, tax system and Congress are so messed up now that it really doesn’t matter who the next U.S. President is. We are all screwed as well as future generations.

bolwerk's avatar

Hillary should have fought for the GOP nomination. They needed someone who is evil and competent.

The conversation reported is unlikely to be true, and there are some reasons to think it’s kind of silly. To say the least, Obama has accomplished at least as much legislatively as Clinton did at a similar point in his first term, and politically Obama actually weathered the midterms better than Clinton did.

ucme's avatar

I think she’s Betty Boop’s long last grandma & therefore should be considered a national treasure.

marinelife's avatar

Not necessarily. She is interchangeable with a lot of others.

Fly's avatar

I highly doubt that this conversation took place in the first place.

But no, I do not think she would serve us better than Obama has as President. Obama’s presidency may leave much to be desired for many people, but I don’t think she would have made any more progress in such a divided government, and she likely would have made less. I was not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton in the 2008 elections, nor am I now. I do think, however, that she has done very well as Secretary of State, and I think that is where she would serve best.

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