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If Jews are the Chosen people of the Christian faith then why don't Jews believe in the divinity Of Jesus?

Asked by Charles (4823points) May 29th, 2012

From the Christian perspective the Bible clearly states that the Jews are the chosen people and Jesus himself is said to be a Jew. What seems perplexing is that the main religion of the Jews in the world is Judaism which of course has it’s own set of beliefs and doesn’t accept Jesus as the messiah.
The question is, why the chosen people according to the Christian faith are the Jews and yet they don’t even share the basic beliefs of Christians? This brings up a few additional
questions. Christians believe that only by accepting Christ can an individual be saved. Does this mean that the overwhelming majority of Jews, God’s chosen people, will not be saved? Also, doesn’t it seem very strange that God’s chosen people, according to Christianity, aren’t even believers in the Christian faith?

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Ron_C's avatar

It’s ironic that on one hand, Christians are trying to recruit Jews into this new religion and later blame the Jews for killing Christ thereby prosecuting the Jews.

Christians have always been ambivalent about the Jews and condemn them while claiming that Christianity is an extension of the old Jewish religion. Since both religions are inventions to control the populace, it is safe to ignore them.

It is a rigorous mental exercise attempting to believe in both gods at the same time. That is the possible reason that “bible believing” preachers seem quite crazy to the rest of us.

The god of the old testament is crazy jealous, vindictive, murderous, and foul tempered, The god of the new testament is a little more civilized but duplicitous, he is his own son and his own father. I think the church apologists got confused during the middle ages and passed down some highly illogical scripture.

ragingloli's avatar

Because Jesus fulfilled of the messianic prophecies.

Then there is also the very serious problem of fundamental heresy in Christian theology, specifically the concept of Hell, which does not exist in the OT, the concept of the Trinity, which does not exist in the OT, the concept of Satan as the “devil” and God’s enemy, whereas in the OT, Satan is an obedient servant to God, and the concept of ‘no one getting to the father but through Jesus’, which is a direct violation, rape even, of the 1st commandment.

zenvelo's avatar

You are kinda putting the cart before the horse. The Jews described themselves as God’s chosen people from the time of the covenant of Abraham. And the first Christians (who were Jewish) knew the Messiah would come from the Jewish people. But Jesus brought a new covenant that was for all people, not just the Jews.

I am not sure where you get …yet they don’t even share the basic beliefs of Christians
Remember that Judaism preceded Christianity; it’s the Christians that haven’t maintained the beliefs of the Jewish people.

You might want to check out Jews for Jesus. There was a very active chapter at UCSB when I was at school there.

Ron_C's avatar

@ragingloli GA It appears that Christianity cannot exist if it doesn’t have enemies. They had to invent the devil and hell to fulfill some need for punishment and to justify being miserable in this world. If you can promise a peasant a happy afterlife, it is much easier to force them to accept misery and hardship by their lords. Christianity evolved from a religion that released people from the old testament nasty god to a new form of subservience to their earthly oppressors.

ragingloli's avatar

As far as I am concerned “Jews for Jesus” are Christians, not Jews.
You would not call a Christian that converted to Islam a “Christian for Muhammad”.

wundayatta's avatar

After all this time, you still expect religions to make sense?????

elbanditoroso's avatar

This is kind of humorous.

You’re asking why people of a religion that is perfectly happen with its own beliefs (Judaism, the Jews) have not become part of a different religion (christianity) that wants to subjugate, absorb, and cause the orignal religion (Judaism) to disappear. Add to that a history of at least 2000 years where Judaism has been one of the direct targets of Christian “fellowship”.

Gee, what do you think? Why would anyone want to give up their religious identity?

As for your question about the Chosen people. The Jews were chosen by God long before Christ was a twinkle in his Jewish mother’s eye. God chose the Jews because they were Jews, not because they were potential christians.

Jeruba's avatar

You don’t happen to think that the Old Testament is “Christian,” do you?

I can tell you this much: when I was growing up in a church that subscribed to evangelical Christian doctrine, they handled that awkward “chosen people” business by telling us that it was symbolic and that it really meant us, the believing Christians (of this one particular denomination and its close spiritual siblings), and not Jews, who had forfeited their status by not accepting Jesus.

People will say anything to defend what they believe without benefit of rational thought.

ETpro's avatar

@wundayatta & @Jeruba hit the fundamental flaw in the premise of your question, @Charles. What would make you expect to find a foundation or rational, logical thought in Christianity of all religions?

@ragingloli supplied a fact-filled answer (when the link is included) explaining why Jews wouldn’t embrace Jesus as the Messiah. The fact that @zenvelo and @WillWorkForChocolate brushed that aside with arm waving and circular logic rather than dealing point by point with its arguments shows the extent of the problem. Those immersed in a belief system will dismiss anything outside it as irrelevant BECAUSE it doesn’t jibe with their belief system. Their belief is a tautology, and as such cannot possibly be falsified.

filmfann's avatar

It is my belief that the Jews have their own deal with God, and the faithful will receive their reward.
I also believe that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. It doesn’t surprise me that people misunderstood the prophesy.

zenvelo's avatar

Gee, @ETpro where am I arm waving? I was responding to the original poster’s faulty question, not to the question of whether or not Jesus was the Messiah or if Jesus met conditions of prophecy.

And @ragingloli seems to dismiss the whole purpose of Jews for Jesus, which demonstrates that Jesus was the Messiah and fulfilled prophecy.

ETpro's avatar

@zenvelo My bad. I jumped to the conclusion that your post, being right below one from @ragingloli, was in response to it. Clearly the text you put in italics came from the OP and not @ragingloli.

I still have a quarrel with your contention that there being an organization called Jews for Jesus demonstrates anything other than the existence of an organization. There is also an organization called The American Nazi Party, but its existence doesn’t demonstrate that the Jews are an inferior race and should be exterminated, to be replaces by Aryans. If you wish to prove that is wrong and Jesus actually did fulfill all prophecies about the Messiah, you need to address at least a few of the statements of fact made there and show how their statement is in error. You’re going to find that arguing the Torah with Rabbis isn’t a cakewalk, though.

PurpleClouds's avatar

The Christian Faith has no chosen people. There is no Christian perspective to it but the Bible is clear that God’s chosen people in OT scripture was the nation of Israel.

gasman's avatar

@Charles The Jews are the chosen people from a Jewish perspective, too. What’s seen from a Christian perspective doesn’t concern the Jew, whose theology is consistent vis a vis chosen status.We’re in!

The question is, why the chosen people according to the Christian faith are the Jews and yet they don’t even share the basic beliefs of Christians?...Does this mean that the overwhelming majority of Jews, God’s chosen people, will not be saved? Also, doesn’t it seem very strange that God’s chosen people, according to Christianity, aren’t even believers in the Christian faith?

You’re questioning the logic of Christianity, not Judaism. Is any religion required to make sense to an intelligent and skeptical thinker?

In the widely-believed Christian doctrine of supersessionism, however, Jews either convert or they get it in the end. Theologically no real progress since the Inquisition…

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