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How shameless can politicians get?

Asked by ETpro (34605points) May 22nd, 2013

Oklahoma GOP Senator Inhofe hated relief for the victims of Hurricane Sandy and voted against it. But he says aid for the tornado devastation in his own state is “completely different”. Here he is making the claims on MSNBC. He says that the Sandy Relief fund was “full of pork” and “That won’t happen in Oklahoma.” But the Sandy relief fund was not full of money for other regions. There was some, but the only large ticket add-on was for disaster relief in 47 non-Sandy states from 2011 through 2013. And there is no way, aside from voting against it, that Inhofe can keep other lawmakers from adding earmarks to this bill just as they did with the Sandy bill. Will he vote no for aid to his own state if there are any earmarks attached?

Oklahoma GOP Senator Tom Coburn hated relief for the victims of Hurricane Sandy and voted against it. He said we shouldn’t provide help for disasters without making offsetting cuts in programs elsewhere in the federal budget. But how long would it take in today’s hyper-partisan political environment to reach an agreement on where to make such offsetting cuts? Would anybody be left alive by the time Congress finally acted if we made this a rule for disaster relief? Wouldn’t that be rather like calling the fire department and being told that they would come save you from your house fire as soon as the city council can come up with a new budget with offsetting savings to pay for the cost of rolling the trucks. Will Coburn use his own standards this time, and vote no on aid for his own state because he can’t possibly come up with offsetting savings anytime in the foreseeable future?

How shameless do you have to be to thrive in today’s politics?

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jerv's avatar

If you have to ask, your mind in incapable of comprehending the sheer scope of the shamelessness.

ETpro's avatar

Yes, I have to ask because it is incomprehensible to me, and I was hoping some Jelly with shamanistic powers could help me understand the magnitude of the shamelessness. I guess I’ll just have to stay as frustrated as a pyromaniac in a petrified forest.

marinelife's avatar

It’s disgusting.

LuckyGuy's avatar

NY Senator James Alesi is pretty shameless. He was the one who broke his leg while was trespassing in a home being built. The homeowners decided not to press charges. One day before the statue of limitations ran out he sued the homeowners for damages.

Coloma's avatar

Pffft! Tis the nature of the beast. Most politicians are sociopaths, no surprise when the leopards spots start glowing. lol

peridot's avatar

I went to school with one member of our local City Council. He was a complete douche, the kind who yelled nasty things at other kids, always from the center of a bunch of toadies.

There’s been an issue about sit/lie ordinance in regards to the homeless; naturally, he voted for it. The nauseating part is that he used his 14-year-old son as an example, saying he was uncomfortable with the idea of some random person yelling at his kid.

That’s politicians all over—filthy hypocrites, and using kids to make themselves seem more noble.

And for the record, all these years later, he is still incapable of ambulation without a ring of lackeys around him. I’ve encountered him a couple of times without anyone nearby, and he looked like he was about to start crying. XD

rojo's avatar

If I were a senator, I would attach earmarks to his bill just for spite.

Is that shameless? Or shameful?

Pachy's avatar

I’ve been walking around gnashing my teeth over this all day. These two OK senators, who are far from o.k. and anything but senatorial—who wouldn’t vote emergency financial aid for other states but have no problem accepting it for theirs—should be tarred and feathered,

bossob's avatar

It will be interesting to watch. I saw an interview with an OK state rep (Rep.) who tried valiantly to promote the ‘we’ll take care of ourselves’ card. He acknowledged that Congress is so dysfunctional right now, and so little legislation is being conducted, that Congress people are intentionally sitting on their legislation proposals until a disaster relief bill hits the floor so that they can attach their legislation to the relief bill, because those are the only bills moving through the House that have a chance to pass.

He sounded rather discouraged when he acknowledged that Inhofe probably would veto the relief bill if it wasn’t clean.

Ron_C's avatar

This is what politics have come to. The right wing has lost all of its standards. The put a candidate on the ballot that couldn’t even finish a term of governor, one governor, Mark Sanford, played hooky from his job to see his south American mistress and was thrown out of office. He comes back a few months later after dumping his wife and marrying his mistress then runs for congress AND WINS!!!????

What’s wrong with these people, how can the electorate be so damn stupid?

It seems that all a right winger had to do to win is to denigrate a President that’s half black, apologize for cheating and promise to reverse all progress and he wins. The U.S., especially southern and western states have lost the ability to think for them selves. They vote for scoundals, liars, and people dumber than themselves. I’m glad I’m old and won’t have to see much of the final decay of American democracy.

cheebdragon's avatar

The United States averages about 1000 tornadoes every year. The peak of tornado season in Central Oklahoma occurs between mid to late May. The highest average annual concentration of violent-class (F4-F5) tornadoes occurs between Dallas and Oklahoma City.
These are all well known facts to people who live in the area. If you choose to ignore the facts and continue to place your family in danger knowing fully well what happens every May, you are quite possibly a total idiot. I think we’ve reached our quota of idiots to bail out, people too stupid to move for their own safety can fuck off for all I care.

(Im trying to quit smoking, haven’t had a cigarette in a few days, I might feel more compassionate in a few days, but right now I don’t have it in me to care)

Jaxk's avatar

As I recall, we allocated $60 billion for Sandy emergency relief. The estimated damage from Sandy was $50 billion. That means we could have repaired or rebuilt everything that was damaged with $10 billion left over. And that’s just the federal funds. Insurance handles much of it and I would assume the states do as well. Maybe we are going overboard.

At this point nothing has been written let alone allocated and now we want to call out the OK senators as hypocrits before they do anything. It may be wiser to wait until they actually do something hypocrital.

cheebdragon's avatar

Cant have anyone forgetting about how those republicans are to blame…for everything.~

Ron_C's avatar

@cheebdragon you are right, we must have reached the pinnacle for idiots. I remember when I was shopping for land or a house in my present city. The real estate agent kept showing me overpriced housed in areas covered by flood insurance. It always struck me as particularly stupid to build a house in the known flood plain. Even worse, rebuild in the place that was just flooded. The same thought occurs to me when people rebuild in tornado alley.

All of this fits in with an article I read today which said the human race is loosing I.Q. points and we are down at least 14 points since the turn of the 20th century. We are doing too much to promote fertility in stupid people and helping them to rebuild and breed in tornado certainty areas is one of the causes.,

jerv's avatar

@Jaxk If they ask for funding after having denied it to others in similar circumstances, that could and will be seen as either hypocrisy or, at best, a double standard. If they don’t, the state will be taking one hell of an economic hit. The only way out is to travel back in time and undo the multitude of hypocritical things from the past that make anybody who has any sort of memory and/or ability to do trend analysis use to assume/predict future hypocrisy. Past behavior is an excellent indication of future behavior.

cheebdragon's avatar

Hypocritical, kind of like telling everyone that “guns make us less safe”, while being surrounded by armed secret service.

ETpro's avatar

@cheebedragon When the shoe fits, you end up wearing it like it or not.

@Jaxk $14 billion in that bill went to relief costs in the 47 states not hit by Sandy, and to replenish the Federal Flood Insurance fund. Those uses don’t seem like pork to me.

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