Is this WAY too much government control? (See details)

Didn’t the judge object due to “the bible”? So it is more of a Taliban like judge in Tennessee than a government thing. It probably would have been fine in California.

Many countries have rules about naming children. I was surprised about it.

Bible or no Bible, Yes. I think the judge is a nitwit for the decision. But she does represent a branch of govt. (the judicial).

There are a lot of governmentally intrusive decisions which began with one judge. I forget the exact state, but there was a ruling that gay couples were not exempt from prosecution under the (then current) sodomy statutes EVEN IN THEIR OWN HOME.

Talk about ridiculous. I can’t think of anything more ridiculous (other than this recent naming nonsense).

@YARNLADY

You’re absolutely right and I’m so glad I don’t live in Iceland :)
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/04/168642200/a-girl-fights-to-be-called-by-her-name-in-iceland-suing-government

I totally agree that the government is going to far for stupid shit. But that is mostly on a state and local level. Shit like this is just a waste of money.

There are certainly rules in states. But generally they are for keeping the kids from getting beaten up. This springs to mind.

I actually can think of a few names I would be ok with being against the law, but Messiah? That makes no sense. You can name your baby Jesus and Mohamed what is the big difference? This decsision did surprise me, because I thought in America there aren’t any names that are against the law, but I don’t know that to be a fact. I know in many countries the government controls names fairly strictly, which I wouldn’t like.

I think this will get overturned if the parents pursue it. They can call him Messiah no matter what his legal name is.

But, Marty is much better than Messy. Think about it.

Ha ha. Ypure right. That’s one of the things I forgot to include. The nickname. You nailed it.

I’m not saying that I agree with the parents choice. I sure wouldn’t saddle a kid with a moniker like that. Messy indeed.

What I am saying is I defend their absolute right to do it because I’ve certainly seen worse. And interestingly enough on the list of names which are increasingly on the rise (compared to previous years) it is fourth on that list.

I too think Marty would be a lot better but the govt. should not be the entity dictating that.

I too hope that the nitwit judge is overturned by a higher court but stranger things have been upheld. Her entire “reasoning” makes no sense at all. Plenty of kids are named Jesus (most in Mexican and Spanish speaking cultures)

And plenty of kids have a title for a name. (There’s a TV reporter whose name is Major Garrett and he’s not in the Army.) And plenty more examples.

This judge has a serious screw loose somewhere.

@Buttonstc I agree the government is overstepping. But, this is just one judge in TN right? I’m not sure I am going to call him the government if you know what I mean. States do all sorts of stupid unAmerican unconstitutional shit all the time.

But, I am ok with the US government not allowing a child to be named Adolf Hitler. We do as a country protect children even if it is against a parent’s wishes.

Actually the kids in that family were taken out of the home and adopted to other families (a very serious action not taken lightly) due to verifiable reports of domestic violence.

Being that the father is a Neo Nazi racist I don’t find it surprising that its a home filled with violence. If you devote yourself to hating others simply for being born the “wrong” ethnicity or skin color, is it really any wonder that violence is a way of life.

Had they taken such drastic measures (adoption requiring severing parental rights) simply because of a stupid name choice, they would have been easily overruled. That’s a consequence reserved for the most egregious violators. Severing parental rights is extremely rare.

Forcing a name change is not the same as removing a child out of the home. I was not saying a child should be removed because of the name given to them. I was only saying I am ok with a court ruling the name Adolf Hitler is not an acceptable name, because it could endanger the child and identify him with a person well known in history as being a genocidal monster. I probably would not outlaw the name Adolf on it’s own, but even that is questionable in my mind.

I was referring to a specific real life case in NJ in which the father gave all of his kids Neo nazi names beginning with the firstborn as Adolph Hitler.

We’re you not aware of that. I thought it was included in the link but maybe it was tangential to it on the page.

The father was trying to get custody back on the youngest. But all the older kids had been adopted to other families due to the violence not the name choice.

Maybe I should clear that up in the thread. Hope I can find it again.

Actually its in the link John Powell posted for anyone interested.

I was assuming that everyone had read it :)

It’s 10:30 am here and I haven’t slept yet. My brain is bit loopy.

Goodnight all. See ya later.

I know the case, but I was just talking about the name. I should have been more clear.

Here in New Jersey, we have a case of a man who names his kids after Nazis, most notably his son, Adolf Hitler. I haven’t kept up with the case, and I’m not sure where I stand on the issue, because while I feel for the poor kids who don’t get to choose their names and are likely to be teased for them, I feel that the government shouldn’t have a say in what we name our kids or a lot of other personal family matters.

I got distracted and stepped away from the computer and it looks like others have mentioned the case. Here’s a recent link: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/06/girlfirend_of_nj_man_who_named_child_adolf_hitler_is_pregnant_plans_to_give_bany_nazi-type_name.html

Parents lose custody of girl for naming her Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii

Oh those wacky New Zealanders.

All of these odd naming examples give ample proof that Messiah is certainly not the worst of the lot.

But there’s something I’m puzzled about. The girl could have easily just used the name Talula and skipped all the rest of the. nonsense under the general category of middle names (or middle initials).

How many people actually use their middle names anyway. Prince Charles and both his sons have about 4–5 middle names apiece tacked onto their first name.

Granted, Talulas parents are idiots but its a perfectly ok first name (Talula Bankhead for one). What’s up with substituting just the letter K? I really don’t get that part.

I was thinking about the name lucifer a few days ago, Someone should really bring that one back…

People in the Philippines regularly name their kids and give nicknames to each other just as nutty as the Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii. Hers is a bit longer, than most of theirs, but it’s certainly as creative.

The thing is, over there, they think it’s normal!