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Is Arizona's anti gay law fair?

Asked by 2TFX (435points) February 25th, 2014

This law would allow business in Arizona to refuse service to LGBT people for religious reasons.

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Skaggfacemutt's avatar

I thought it only said that churches are not legally obligated to perform same sex marriages.

zenvelo's avatar

Actually, it allows anyone to discriminate against anyone on the basis that serving the person violates religious beliefs.

So one can say one’s religious beliefs are that serving a Mexican is against one’s religion, so you can discriminate. Or maybe that you aren’t supposed to conduct business with Jewish people, or Hindu people, or Buddhists. Or Yoga enthusiasts, or Harry Potter wizard readers.

So it’s kind of fair because anyone can discriminate against anyone.

bolwerk's avatar

Yes, it’s very fair. In fact, LGBT people should have to prominently wear a pink triangle just to make sure religious people know who they are so they can refuse service.

cazzie's avatar

What if it is against your religion to be discriminated against? Where will it end? It will be like the proverbial cat with the piece of buttered toast tied to its back. (personally, I’m going to sit back and hope to watch some neo-nazi refuse jewish people service and those jewish people are well connected rich lawyers.)

JLeslie's avatar

I already asked a question about it here.

@Skaggfacemutt Why would we need a law for that? Clergy can already legally discriminate regarding who they are willing to marry. I see no problem with it, and I don’t see that ever changing.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Absolutely not, it’s horrible.

As a theist, I am ashamed that people are using religion to treat people poorly, again. I guess everyone forgot the whole WWJD trend, because a lot of us are in total disagreement with this law.

@Skaggfacemutt It’s the whole ‘We reseve the right to refuse service’ thing. Like a gay person is unworthy to buy groceries in your store because you’re a <insert religion here>. If any of my friends were turned away, I’d never use that business again.

@jlleslie Sorry to have missed that Q.

Seek's avatar

I feel like, as an atheist, this law discriminates against me by not allowing me to discriminate against anyone else because of my sincerely held religious nonbelief.

JLeslie's avatar

@KNOWITALL You can still join in. It’s still being posted on today, it isn’t dead.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

I wonder what this law is designed to accomplish? Or is it just more meaningless legislature because we have already passed laws against everything humanly conceivable.

Seek's avatar

It’s the religious right trying to stay relevant.

Tiny, weak creatures always struggle in their death throes.

JLeslie's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt I think the main reason for the law is if someone sues a business owner, if a gay person sues a business owner, the law would provide a way to justify their actions and the suit would be dropped or not winnable.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

Just a thought, but maybe it is because so many play the race card at the drop of a hat. You know the saying, “it’s because I’m ___________, isn’t it?” Fill in the race, nationality or sexual preference.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt I understand what you’re saying, but I think they are just really offended by homosexuality and think it’s unnatural and sinful, they just don’t want anything to do with it.

The live and let live policy I could agree with, but not this, you’d think Christians would remember these are human beings, worthy of love & happiness like everyone else. I mean, Jesus was supposed to be our example and I can’t see Him being ugly to other people.

Skaggfacemutt's avatar

I didn’t know Arizona-ites were that into religion. They aren’t in the bible belt, and unlike Utah, they don’t have a dominant religious persuasion. I thought they were mostly retired hippies and ex-commune dwellers.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@skaggfacemutt Nah, theists are everywhere.

In addition to the New Mexico case, a gay couple in Arizona was recently denied service over religious beliefs when the owner of a small bakery declined to bake the couple a wedding cake. “I respectfully declined due to my personal Biblical convictions as a born-again Christian,” the owner told an Arizona TV station. “I firmly believe that my convictions in the Bible are more important than money.”

Adirondackwannabe's avatar

I want to open a business in a state with a law that allows me to refuse service to anyone under six feet tall. I want a really killer basketball team down the road and this makes perfect sense to me.

JLeslie's avatar

@Skaggfacemutt Arizona has a lot of republicans and many republicans are obsessed with less government. So, they want to have a law to make sure their individual freedom to run their business as they see fit cannot be hampered by government. Oh, the irony. It’s not all red, but enough of them are there and they seem to be the bible belt kind of red, not the NY or MI kind. It doesn’t matter if the people who want the law are religious or not, they feel the rights of religious people should be protected from the secular, liberal, federal government.

BeenThereSaidThat's avatar

@jleslie The Republican Governor vetoed the Bill yesterday, so there goes your theory. Not all Republican’s are the Devil.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@BeenThereSaidThat Aw, putting us all in a little homophobic box is so much easier and requires so much less thought- lol

JLeslie's avatar

@BeenThereSaidThat I never said they all are. I have said the opposite on many many Q’s. Half my friends are Republicans. On facebook I wrote that I couldn’t imagine the governor would sign it, even though some of my more liberal friends were afraid the governor might. My republican close friends were disgusted by the idea of that law, and a few of them are very politically conservative on most subjects. How that went as far as it did is beyond me. Since it did it does show that some Republicans agree with it, and that is who I was talking about, those who think It is ok. Not all Republicans think alike just like not all democrats do.

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