Has temporary death ever been induced for science?

I’m sure the NSA and CIA have, but it’s not for public knowledge.

@KNOWITALL I’m not sure why either of those agencies would be interested, I’d like it would be some sort of skunk works laboratory or something.

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Yes, the military alongside several Universities (most notable may be University of Pittsburgh) have done experiments in which they took dogs, removed all their blood replacing it with an ice cold saline solution, and then the bodies are brought back to life by pumping blood back in, giving them pure oxygen and electric shocks. Dogs can be effectively dead for three hours and be brought back to life. Many have been brought back without brain damage.

Reason why military is looking at this is for possibly saving lives on the battlefield that SFR and medics cannot immediately stabilize.

Temporary death is the foundation of science fiction/deep space travel. You know the governments of the US, China and Russia have to be deeply (if covertly) invested in it.

Adenosine is a drug paramedics will sometimes administer to regulate a heart rhythm. It works by stopping the heart so that it may reboot, so to speak. That’s as close as I can think of as far as inducing death.
A hypothermic drowning is not considered dead until warm and dead. Some people have shown no signs of life for 30 minutes or more. This could possibly be used in science.

When I was a lifeguard, we had a drowning victim another guard pulled from the bottom of the deepend. He had no vitals…essentially DOA and we commenced CPR. We worked on him for nearly 5 minutes until we finally got his heart and breathing started. He was in the ICU for 3 weeks because of 3 degree burns in his lungs from the chlorine in the pool water and eventualy made a full recovery. The science I learned there was that pool water can cause 3rd degree burns in the lungs.

So far, there is no such thing as “temporary death”. Death is permanent.

In the construct of ”As an atheist, with a practical “When you are dead that’s it” view, I am curious what I would experience.” you could never be actually dead. In the construct of that belief, once you die your soul, essence or what you people want to call it, no longer exist. You could not be out of existence for 12–15 minutes then exist again in your moral body. That would mean there was someplace or somewhere you, not your fleshly tent goes that it may return to your body, the fleshly tent. How do you reconcile that?

@ragingloli Technically there is since you can be medically dead for a brief period of time, then brought back. It’s just a matter of if they are able to do it before there is too much brain damage from a lack of oxygen.

@Hypocrisy_Central I think you are a bit confused about what atheist means. I don’t beleive in god, afterlife, heaven and hell, or the “soul”. We are just neural synapses in a brain that evolved to be advanced enough to achieve sentience. Essentially, we are just bits of energy bouncing around in a brain. When you die, nothing leaves, and nothing comes back if you are brought back, it’s just a matter of getting things kicking again (if it were medically done by stopping your heart, starting it again) to get blood flowing to give the brain oxygen before it dies off and any remaining synapses stop.

The light at the end of the tunnel or heaven that people see has to simply be hallucinations or memories mushed together by the misfiring of synapses during death, or part of them being brought back and their brain resuming full activity, along with most likely whatever it undergoes as it uses up the remaining bits of oxygen it has,

@XOIIO We are just neural synapses in a brain that evolved to be advanced enough to achieve sentience. Essentially, we are just bits of energy bouncing around in a brain. When you die, nothing leaves, and nothing comes back if you are brought back, it’s just a matter of getting things kicking again (if it were medically done by stopping your heart, starting it again) to get blood flowing to give the brain oxygen before it dies off and any remaining synapses stop.
Yeah, I know you do not believe in God or an afterlife, which is why I asked why you believe you can be dead temporarily. As you said, ”Technically there is since you can be medically dead for a brief period of time, then brought back.”, so what are you saying “brought back” is? What you told me just now is that this energy that is supposedly us, doesn’t go anywhere it just does dormant, so to speak, and is just reanimated. If the heart is there to provide oxygen to the brain before the last of this synapses stop, then so long as there is even a whiff or it in the brain, there is no death. Even if a vessel has only one ounce left it is not empty, when that ounce is gone, then it is empty. Looking at this synapses that way, how do you put more in a vessel after it is gone, and from where did you get it? By what you said someone can only be near dead, very low in this synapses, but not empty of it. If someone can empty of this synapse and be completely dead and scientist/doctors can add it back to bring you back to life, why can’t they do it for every creature? Why can’t they just recreate the synapse and use it at will? If they could, would not that make them a god?

What if you are Walter Williams? He was declared dead by his hospice nurse, pronounced dead by the coroner, his body was collected by the funeral home and as they were preparing to embalm him he started kicking?

“Howard received the call from Williams’ hospice nurse, who told Howard that the 87-year-old had passed away. A family member called as well, saying the same, Howard said.”

“Howard and Byron Porter from Porter & Sons Funeral Home in Lexington, Mississippi, drove to Williams’ home to collect the body for funeral preparations. Howard checked Williams’ pulse about 9 p.m. and pronounced him dead.”

“There was no pulse. He was lifeless,” Howard said.”

“The coroner completed his paperwork, placed Williams in a body bag and transported him to the funeral home, he said. There, something strange happened: The body bag moved.”

“We got him into the embalming room and we noticed his legs beginning to move, like kicking,” Howard said. “He also began to do a little breathing.”

@Hypocrisy_Central By “dead temporarily” I simply mean the state of being medically dead, for the period of time that the remaining brain activity, whatever exactly it would be, will not have completely ceased. Once the brain looses all oxygen and there are no synaptic firings, you are permanently dead. Even if they bring the host body back to life and it can do basic things such as breath and pump blood, you will still be dead, the host body will just be what is still alive. I am not sure if that has been done, it would be interesting though if they could, but it seems pretty unlikely.

Sounds like the movie “Flatliners”.

@XOIIO with the dog experiment, there is no demonstrable brain activity. Still oxygen left in the brain cells but there is no synaptic firings.

@Winter_Pariah At that point I would consider the dog effectively dead. Even if it was brought back and brain activity resumed, without checking if it responded to it’s name or acted in ways it did before death, reacting to cues, like Pavlov’s conditioning, the dog would still be dead, but it’s body would be alive.

@XOIIO For the most part, they were completely fine, responses and everything. A minority did suffer brain damage to varying extents.

@Winter_Pariah That makes sense for an animal that is more instinct based, It would be interesting to see what happens with a human.

I have a relative that is enclosed in an above-ground tomb, having been declared dead and re-awakening at the wake. Used to be there was glass in the door, but the bulls could see their reflection and constantly butted it out.

@ibstubro Well if there is a time to re-awake it would be a wake

Yes. What a wacky wake that would have been. The lore has it that he brushed a fly off of his face.