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flo's avatar

What does requiring a person to be on a Facebook mean?

Asked by flo (13158points) September 30th, 2014

Have you ever come across an online entity that requires you to be on Facebook in order to open an account with them? Does it mean that Facebook owns these entities? Are they saying in essence, that Facebook can do no wrong? What if a bank or Amazon or whatever says you have to be a Facebook client?
Edited to add:
I mean if Facebook was god which I doubt:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/26/6844633/what-is-ello-should-i-care ...does it make good sense to require it?

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elbanditoroso's avatar

Yes, a couple of them. And I haven’t done so. I figured my privacy was more important than their services.

zenvelo's avatar

It means they want you to use FB to log on to them and that way they can use your link to gain advertising revenue and also to tailor ads to you.

It means there is a business relationship between the company and FB, but it does not mean FB owns them.

If you do not like the condition, then don’t do business with them. I know a lot of companies prefer that you access them via FB or twitter, but I have yet to have it required.

LuckyGuy's avatar

Make a fake FB account and only use it for that kind of nonsense. I have an account similar to the name of a cartoon character. It has proven to be very useful.

flo's avatar

@elbanditoroso I agree it is too much into other people’s business.
@zenvenlo someone just said that they couldn’t open an account somewhere, either you log in or you log-in via facebook.
@LuckyGuy Yes that makes sense .

janbb's avatar

i won’t participate in anything that requires you to log-in via FB.

LuckyGuy's avatar

If you do open the fake FB account make sure you do not friend yourself or anyone else you know.

flo's avatar

@LuckyGuy I take back my last post because entity x is expecting to find the Facebook page of the person’s real name so that won’t work.

@zenvelo entity x should do its own legwork ( find their own info based on your future activity on their own site to tailor ads you.

@janbb good stand to take of course, but imagine you absolutely need this entity x?

flo's avatar

And they are not just saying we want to know that you are on Facebook, they are saying we want your password put it here. Where is Edward Snowden on this?

janbb's avatar

@flo If they are asking you to put your password I would definitely not use them. What kind of entity is this?

jerv's avatar

These days, Facebook is the online equivalent of a state-issued photo ID. As for why Facebook, Facebook is a nearly universally accepted standard.

However, anyone that asks for a password to another site is either a scammer or breaking other laws.

LuckyGuy's avatar

I would never give anyone my password to another site. This is all the more reason to have a fake FB account. Everyone should open one and keep it for times like this.
It is really easy to make a fake profile and find friends. Get a free disposable email address at mail.com. Pick a name, pick a city, pick a company, pick a high school and FB will start sending you suggestions. Just click a few and you are on your way.

flo's avatar

@janbb Here is an OP I posted a few months ago.

flo's avatar

“These days, Facebook is the online equivalent of a state-issued photo ID. .Facebook is a nearly universally accepted standard.” Sounds like a paid ad.

flo's avatar

@LuckyGuy I think we are miscommunicating. You are trying to open a real account with your real name with this enetity that you need, your fake account won’t do.

flo's avatar

@janbb Oops (above) Here is one of my OPs from a few months ago.

jerv's avatar

Paid ad? No. Simple fact. This isn’t 1837, or even 1987. The world has changed. I’m not entirely sure why Facebook in particular, but that doesn’t change the fact Facebook is part of the “web of trust” used to verify online identity.

I think it’s a little silly myself as it’s so easily spoofed (as @LuckyGuy does) and have a few other issues with it, but opinions don’t change facts. Besides, spambots are less likely to have a Facebook account than actual people.

flo's avatar

It is understandable if an employer wants to makse sure you don’t end up misrepresenting them by association, so they don’t want to hire people questionable things on their Facebook. They need to see what their judgement is like,. But that has nothing to do with what this is about.

janbb's avatar

But I still cannot see what entity would require you to give up your Facebook password. And as i said above, I have managed not to join anything that only let you sign in through FB. Many sites have that as an option but you can also set up a unique log-in.

flo's avatar

@janbb So, you haven’t read the thread in the OP I referred to above?

flo's avatar

@jerv re. “web of trust” Sheesh.
Here
here

jerv's avatar

@flo That is about how Facebook is “sorry” that they did unethical things, but in no way tells me that you understand the security concept of “web of trust”. Or is that just your way of saying that you don’t trust them? You were a little terse there.

As I said, I personally don’t get why they are so trusted, as things like the non sequitor links you posted show that they do do some shady things, but I also rarely make the mistake of assuming people are intelligent and rational, as whenever I do that, I am usually proven wrong. There are places that do trust Facebook at least well enough to establish identity though, and that is why some sites have the FB requirement.

I’m with you that it’s silly and stupid and wrong, but no amount of temper tantrums and arm-flailing will change the facts. That’s how some people/sites operate. Get used to it, or get used to being detached from society as you fail to keep up with the changes of modern times. You don’t have to like it, only to adapt to it.

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flo's avatar

@jerv To summerize your post above:
“Follow blindly, don’t think critically, if it is shiny it is gold, if it is the newest thing it is good, better…”

janbb's avatar

i did read that but it had no relevance here. Some sites require your gmail address; that doesn’t mean they have access to your e-mail. Now you’re asking about Facebook which is not the same thing. Frankly, half the time I am not at all sure what you are asking about.

flo's avatar

@janbb “Some sites require your gmail address” Not they are not asking for your Gmail address, There is no box for “Gmail address”, as in where you enter ”...@gmail.com”, there is the box where you enter the password for whterver, Gmail, yahoo, Facebook. The people who are answering in that post are not arguing it.

jerv's avatar

@flo That was either an utter failure to understand society and/or English, or an intentional attempt at provocation.

You are totally twisting my words to your own intent AND NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME. I am attempting to answer your question as asked, but either you are seeking confirmation bias instead of answers or you have a personal grudge.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@flo I think the answer to the following question would clear this up immensely:

Which website demanded your Facebook password in order to do business with you?

janbb's avatar

@dappled_leaves I thought I had asked that already but never got an answer.

hearkat's avatar

@janbb and @dappled_leaveshttps://stackoverflow.com/users/signup is the site mentioned in the thread that the OP linked to above.

However, it appears that you can create a unique login without using those services with the Stack Exchange option, @flo. Most sites I’ve been to prompt to sign up with your FB, but always have the option to create a login just for that site. I have never encountered a site that required my FB info.

GIven all the issues with hack-attacks these days, and the heartbleed and shellshock incidents, most ‘experts’ are recommending using unique sign-in information for every website/service.

janbb's avatar

Oh, you’re right – didn’t see that part of the thread. But it is clear from that sign-in that you have options so why get your knickers in a twist? As I said, I don’t sign into anything that requires your FB log-in but I think most sites now have other options. Aside from anything else, not everyone has a FB account.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@hearkat This is still about StackOverflow? I thought this was made clear in her other question: Stack Overflow does not need passwords from any other social networking site.

@flo Haven’t your worries about this been allayed by now? Why are you continuing to say that Stack Overflow requires your passwords from other sites?

hearkat's avatar

@dappled_leaves – I can’t speak for the OP; but they were asked to provide an example, and that was the example that they offered. Perhaps they’ve encountered another or other sites that appeared to have that requirement.

I have noticed that the option to create a separate account is sometimes in the fine print, so people who are not keen on these things might miss it.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@hearkat “I can’t speak for the OP; but they were asked to provide an example, and that was the example that they offered. Perhaps they’ve encountered another or other sites that appeared to have that requirement.”

Well, exactly. This is why I asked the direct question, but your previous post appeared to be an attempt to head me off for some reason.

Certainly, the option to create a separate login for Stack Overflow is not hidden in any way. It is clearly there within the main list. Other options (gmail, Facebook) are offered for the convenience of the users who want it.

hearkat's avatar

@dappled_leaves: I was just trying to be helpful, since it seemed that you and Jan might have missed the OP’s comment containing the link.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@hearkat I was trying to ask @flo a direct question. The link you posted is not relevant to my question, since (yet again) it was already ascertained that Stack Overflow does not require any passwords, or any login through any other site. I don’t know why we are still talking about that link.

LuckyGuy's avatar

@flo Is it possible you are using the same password for multiple accounts? When I open a new account someplace and it requests an email address I might enter my gmail address and then make a new password that is to be used only for that site. They are not asking for the password for your gmail account They want the password you set up for the site. I make all miy site passwords unique. It might be a word and the second and/or third and/or 4th letters of the site name for example.
If someplace needs a FB account I have one ready. It is the name of a cartoon character r and I have lots of friends Jsut pick a music artist and send freind requests to other peop-le who like the artist. People will respond and you will have a fak FB presence that can be used anywhere. Do not friend your real account or even use the real account to look up anyone.
By the way, for some strange reason I have a lot of Vietnamese friends on my totally fake account. I have no idea why. I agree to any FB friends requests I receive there.

flo's avatar

I will just refer you to I think it was @jaykay’s post at the other OP I referred @janbb where Stackoverflow had since updated its sign in/sin-up page.

dappled_leaves's avatar

@flo But the “update” that @jaykay was referring to only applies to people who choose to sign in using their Google account. No one is forcing anyone to log in using that or any other social networking site.

Do you not agree?

flo's avatar

@hearkat thank you, so much @LuckyGuy thank you, so much. although as I’m not seeing it.

For example @hearkat re. ”...you can create a unique login without using those services with the Stack Exchange option, @flo.” (By the way Stack Exchange, yet another site not Stackoverflow, I can’t keep up) Isn’t creating a unique log-in: you create a username, you create a unique password for it , and you give them you email address x@gmail.com?
I don’t see that here.

flo's avatar

@LuckyGuy I never have used the same password everywhere. Re.“When I open a new account someplace and it requests an email address I might enter my gmail address and then make a new password that is to be used only for that site.” Except in this cases, where are they are they asking for your email address etc. Nowhere as far as I can see. Re. “They are not asking for the password for your gmail account” Then why even mention Gmail etc. never mind putting their log in page for anyone to just absentmindedly trustingly, enter their email password?

dappled_leaves's avatar

@flo ” never mind putting their log in page for anyone to just absentmindedly enter their email password.”

It’s not Stack Overflow’s fault if people absentmindedly enter information that no one asked for.

I don’t know why you prefer to be angry about something that isn’t even happening than to accept that the world is a better place than you had previously concluded. Aren’t you glad that they’re not asking for anyone’s passwords to social network sites?

I don’t get it.

hearkat's avatar

@flo: https://stackexchange.com/ is a host for numerous Q&A Forums, of which StackOverflow.com is one – note the black bar across the top of the screen that says “Stack Exchange”. Therefore, when you create a Stack Exchange login, you are able to use that one login to access all the forums they host, including StackOverflow.

On the login page that you linked: https://stackoverflow.com/users/signup you can tell that you are creating a NEW login for Stack Exchange, by the fact that it has you enter the password twice, for confirmation.

Many – if not most – sites (including Fluther) request an email address so they can verify that you are a human and that the person with that email address genuinely wants to create an account on their site. They also use that email address to send you communications about their site and service, and you can often specify which types of emails you want to receive – if any. For a lot of sites, your username is your email address. However, it is up to the user to create a unique password for that site, and not give them the password that you use to access that email.

As a traveler on the information superhighway, it is one’s own responsibility educate themselves on how their technology works and how to navigate around the web safely, as well as to stay informed of changes in the way things work. This is the same as the way a driver on the actual highways has to educate themselves how to operate their vehicle and to navigate the roadways safely, and to stay informed on changes in the laws and if your vehicle changes.

flo's avatar

Edited to add;
I was expecting people to point me at the location where it says: (not so much the words in bracket)

Desired username:
Password”: (unique to this username in this site)
Email address: (so that for one thing, we can verify that this is your own email address by sending you a link you will click on”, not someone else’s, before you get started.)

permalimnk in the other OP of mine I asked what are the 4 boxes for because they were empty. The 1st box is for email address, in some other site, second for username. Someone must have gone and notified them it is no longer empty.

Why is there such a thing as traffic lights?

Gobsmacked I am.

janbb's avatar

^^ I’m gobsmacked as well.

flo's avatar

“It’s not Stack Overflow’s fault if people absentmindedly enter information that no one asked for.”
1)In the other OP, and here too, people are not arguing that they are in your email, your facebook.
2) the fact that you are using the word fault says what?
If they are not asking for it, why doesn’t it say:“not your email/facebook password!”

dappled_leaves's avatar

You have changed all of your claims, @flo. If you want to ask a new question about a specific complaint, then please do.

You are now saying that the thing that makes you upset is that you have to go through email verification in order to set up an account. That is not what this question is about, and it is not what the other question was about either.

And no, no one is requiring you to be on Facebook. They are requiring you to have an email account – any email account. Email verification is a very separate issue from logging in using your gmail or Facebook account. If you think that email verification is unreasonable, that’s best raised in another question, so that people can explain why this is done.

“If they are not asking for it, why doesn’t it say:“not your email/facebook password!””

Why would they mention things they don’t want you to input? The very people that you are worried about (the people who don’t read things thoroughly) are likely not to notice the all-important “not” in that sentence, and do the wrong thing.

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