Does Planned Parenthood get the mother's consent?

@josie: “And if Planned Parenthood wants to make some money by selling baby parts to science”

If you want some serious answers to this question, you may want to rephrase this part. You know that PP profits $0 from their reimbursements.

@josie
Making some money, and clearing a profit are not the same in this context. Being non profit does not mean you don’t have an “Income” column on your financials.

Anyway, that being as it may-The question is not about money, it’s about consent

@DoNotKnow that is

@josie: “The question is not about money, it’s about consent”

That is why I recommended you remove the propaganda part – especially since it’s inaccurate at best.

Most consents for procedure include a disposal clause.
@DoNotKnow is right, your little rant clouds the specific question.

@josie

Here is the consent form PP uses. So, yes women know.

What is the propaganda part.
I am all for Planned Parenthood
In fact, I figure what ever money they get from the Fed is a lot less than the Federal Assistance appropriation for all the children born to women who cannot or will not feed them.
I do not oppose abortion. I do not think the Political State is morally empowered to demand that a woman remain pregnant.

But the recent unflattering press about planned parenthood made me wonder about consent.

I admit, I put it in Social to help keep it lively. If had wanted only serious answers (I got one, thanks @rojo ) I suppose I would have put it in general.

But I am still not sure what the propaganda/rant statement is all about.
GA to all.

@josie

This is the propaganda -

“And if Planned Parenthood wants to make some money by selling baby parts to science…”

Assuming your question about consent is sincere (though I have my doubts) then your question could have been well stated, more directly stated in fact, without the bit about making money by selling baby parts. All that bit is is bait for an argument about PP “selling baby parts”.

@Darth_Algar

I support Planned Parenthood.
Well, I should say I support the idea of Planned Parenthood. I don’t personally send them money. I figure my tax dollars are plenty. And I would object to de-funding PP.

My understanding that there is sort of a he said she said issue regarding the sale of baby parts. I do not even know if it is true.
And if it is true, I don’t care personally.
But in my opinion, IF it is true, there should be consent.
Not that complicated.

There are expenses to keeping the tissues viable, along with cataloging, testing, etc. Now whether or not the organization is dedicating a percentage toward the light bill or the salaries of executives, you can bet that the opposition goes over every dime received looking for irregularities, and would sic the IRS on PP in a second if one of those dimes were found out of place.

THEY DON’T SELL “BABY PARTS” @josie! Jesus.

@Dutchess_III

Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. It seems to be a focus of contention.

Exactly what baby parts are we talking about?

@Dutchess_III

What ever it is they are alleging in this video and others

Could you just break it down into a list, please? Hands? Feet? Knees?

@Dutchess_III
It’s in the video.
Do you want me to transcribe the video?
Forget it.
I don’t have that kind of time and it is not that a big of a deal for me.
I just wondered if consent was part of the arrangement.
I wondered if some mothers might say ” Give it to science” and others might say “bury it”.
@rojo linked a consent form above. Very helpful.
Now I know
Which raises a question
Do the mothers have to sign in order to do business with PP?

I read something recently that the video was altered and edited. If nobody is aware of that, I’ll try to find it and link it.

You’ve already seen it, @josie. I hate watching videos. Can you name just one baby part from your memory of the video? Just one?

Quote from the video
Only because you seem so interested.
“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” Dr. Deborah Nucatola ,PP Medical Director

But my question was about consent. Why are you so focused on the parts?

@Dutchess_III
And that’s three, not one.
Actually four- two lungs, heart, liver.
Bonus.

@Dutchess_III
Here’s more. Only because you asked.

Interviewer “Yeah. Or especially brain is where it’s actually a big issue, hemispheres
need to be intact, it’s a big deal with neural tissue and the progenitors, because
those are particularly fragile. If you’ve got that in the back of your mind, if you’re
aware of that, technically, how much of a difference can that actually make if you
know kind of what’s expected or what we need, versus—”

Dr. Nucatola- “It makes a huge difference. I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for
that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance,
so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps. The kind of rate-limiting
step of the procedure is the calvarium, the head is basically the biggest
part. Most of the other stuff can come out intact. It’s very rare to have a
patient that doesn’t have enough dilation to evacuate all the other parts
intact.”

The emphasis is mine.

So what do they do with them?

Sell them to StemExpress
Especially, it seems, the livers.

Before we get too far off track, I will do what I seem to have to do every few months on Fluther, which is state my position on certain issues.
In this case, PP and abortion.

I do not care if a woman gets an abortion. None of my business. In fact I would object to the State demanding that a woman carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

I support PP. Not with dollar contributions-my taxes already do that- but as a matter of principle.

My question was about consent. I do not care if they sell parts of the babies, unless the mother does not know. I think that would be wrong.

An answer on the tread says they get consent. Now I know.

I enjoy all the other stuff too, that’s why it’s in social.

But you seem to want to change the conversation. Which is OK. But the above is my position.

Thread

Stem express. I assume they are in the business of harvesting stem cells.

“A stem cell is a cell that has the ability to continuously divide and differentiate (develop) into various other kind(s) of cells and tissues. Like a blank microchip that can ultimately be programmed to perform any one of a number of specialized tasks, stem cells are undifferentiated, ‘blank’ cells that do not yet have a specific physiological function. When the proper conditions occur in the body or in the laboratory, stem cells begin to develop into specialized tissues and organs. Stem cells are also self-sustaining, replicating through cell division.

Embryonic stem cells – They are harvested from the inner cell mass of the blastocyst seven to ten days after fertilization. (This would come, I assume, from a miscarriage, not an abortion)

Fetal stem cells – These cells are taken from the germline tissues that will make up the gonads of aborted fetuses.

Umbilical cord stem cells – Umbilical cord blood contains stem cells similar to those found in bone marrow.

Placenta derived stem cells – Up to ten times as many stem cells can be harvested from a placenta as from cord blood.

Adult stem cells – Many adult tissues contain stem cells that can be isolated.
The goals of stem cell research include curing diseases, cloning, and gene-line engineering. Cloning is directed towards making duplicate animals or humans. Gene-line engineering is directed toward permanent change in disease resistance and aesthetic and functional enhancements.

Only “baby part” mentioned were gonads, and only a specific part of the gonads. According to the article you linked to, liver cells ”...are used by StemExpress for the development of isolated cells that are urgently needed by scientists and medical researchers working to cure cancer, diabetes and Alzheimer’s disease. I don’t see how it would be any different than the family giving permission for a family member to donate organs after death. They don’t need them any more.

But this makes this question a good one. Does the parent(s) give permission?

Well, looks like we’re on the same page, @josie. Thanks for stopping that in it’s tracks. :)

@Dutchess_III

Thank you for making the thread interesting. Nothing more boring than having a party and all the guests have the same opinion.

Well, it’s always interesting to argue, then realize you’re both arguing on the same side! And learn stuff along the way. The stem cell info is fascinating. Think of the possibilities!

No shit.