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Would parallel universes work this way?

Asked by ScottyMcGeester (1897points) November 30th, 2015

I’m writing a sci-fi story concerning parallel universes and I’m trying to incorporate a plot that’s rather complex.

Now we of course don’t know for a fact that parallel universes exist, so I can just make up whatever rules I want so long as they are consistent, but regardless – I still want to see if this could be logical in reality.

Let’s say we have a guy just named John. John experiences a dramatic event in his life and responds to it in one of three ways – indifferently, positively, negatively.

So ultimately, there are 3 parallel universes – one in which John reacts indifferently, positively and negatively.

Let’s say one of those Johns decides to travel back in time to that dramatic event and respond to that event differently.

Does this eliminate the other two parallel universes that were created?

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Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

That s the thing about theories like this, people will assume that if there was some parallel universe it had to be exactly like this, down to people, places and events. If there was a parallel universe (which there isn’t) it would just be another dimension that might have no resemblance to ours. The inhabitants there might not even resemble humans as we know it.

ragingloli's avatar

The reaction is not trinary. It is shades of grey.
Say he reacts “negatively”. How negatively? How strongly? What actions follow?
In my estimation he would just create an additional timeline with that specific new permutation.

msh's avatar

You make my head hurt. In a good way- ow.
If John goes back by his choice, he has with him his first reaction and the knowledge he gained from it. Therefore he has two reactive choices- that he is aware of. Correct? The other two do not disappear, they merely repeat the first, use the second, and have another go at the third, any time John gets restless.
He may end up in a totally different place, based upon using one of his two choices that he has left to him. His life as he knew it would no longer exist, however. He cannot return.
Or he could fall down a man-hole without it’s cover- thus rendering everything moot.
I guess that also depends if there are uncovered man-hole hazards in this reality you have created.
You are free to have him go with knowledge, go without knowledge, or leave fate to decide which he must encounter.
What freaking class is this for? Or is it a given logic problem? Good lesson for class, if so. Pay attention while there- you might have a lightbulb moment, and you don’t have that happen often in life.
There are some YouTube videos of some who have worked out alternative realities of parallel universes created by traveling – as astro- physiatrists’ perceive it to occur in theory, through wormhole space travel and the creation of alternative existances which would occur simultaneously. (That made my head hurt also.) I had to watch it a zillion and two times to even have an inkling, but it is fascinating none the less. Worth trying to tie into what you hope to prove in your different class scenarios given.
Go to town on creating your alternative world. Anything goes.
Come back to let us know how this was to ultimately to turn out, if you would, please.
Good luck.

flutherother's avatar

I look at it this way. It is like walking through a garden until you come to a point where the path branches into three. There are three options giving three parallel universes. Whichever is chosen gives another choice, to travel back in time or not creating a fourth parallel. Back at the fork John has two routes he can take opening up a fifth and a sixth parallel.

Going back doesn’t eliminate parallel universes, it creates more. The John that returns to the fork is not the original John and the universe he finds there is not the same because John is part of the universe and he is not the same.

cazzie's avatar

Parallel Universes will have nothing to do with human decisions. We do not ‘create’ other universes by the choices we make. It doesn’t work that way, unless you’re stoned, studying first year philosophy class.

Bill1939's avatar

Who at some time in their life has not wanted to go back to the point where they made a bad choice and make a different one? If an infinite number of universes allows for the occurrence of every variation of reality possible, perhaps one might be able jump from this one to the one where they did not make their mistake. However, this will not change the number of universes or the outcomes of any of them. Our universe jumper may have altered the experience of their life’s path, but they would not know that the jump occurred.

Zaku's avatar

Well… if I were you, and interested in the idea that going back and re-doing something would eliminate other universes, I would try exploring that situation and others in fast-forward brain-storming mode, to see if you like the results or not. That can help you decide how you want it to work in stories you’ll want to write, or not.

Personally, I don’t follow you, and would tend to think it’d work differently, but I suspect you may have various alternate ideas about the ways parallel universes work, compared to what I have seen done, or things I’ve imagined myself.

In particular, you seem to be saying that going back in time means the traveler returns to their own body and timeline at that time, but apparently brings something different with them from the future which can change what they do. As opposed to, say, Doctor Who or Star Trek time travel, where going back in time means your future body arrives as it was in the future, but now interacts with a past situation, including, potentially disastrously, meeting one’s past self and possibly creating some sort of paradox, changing the timeline you were familiar with, changing you, having your future self suddenly not exist, or whatever.

The question of how many universes exist, and how many timelines exist per universe, and what happens when people travel between universes or timelines, is interesting and significant, but the truth so far seems to be that we don’t know any such travel is possible, nor what effects it would have. That leaves it up to the author but the implications of saying it works a certain way are often so complex and non-obvious that many authors say it works one way, and try to think of implications, but end up either not explaining or not thinking them through well enough, so that many in their audiences become confused, frustrated, and/or have objections due to paradoxes, complaints and/or implications that the author doesn’t seem to have addressed to the audience’s satisfaction. Etc.

For example, in your limited example above, if the “multi-verse” supports at least three different universes for three different reactions of one single person in an ordinary (ok, dramatic) situation, then I’d tend to think ( / hope) that one person traveling back and doing something else different, would just result in more threads, not in erasing existing threads. So I would expect that after John did his thing, there would still exist somewhere several threads running:

1) Main narrative thread: John made a choice 1 at event A, then traveled back in time to before A, makes a different choice at A, and is now living out that thread.
2) John made choice 2 at event A, and did whatever after that.
3) John made choice 3 at event A, and did whatever after that.

I would also expect:

4) John made choice 1 at event A, then used a time travel machine to leave this universe thread, which now continues normally but John is gone from it.

Now, threads 2–4 may well be inaccessible to John from thread 1 after he travels back, or not, but it seems astoundingly egocentric to me to assume that time travel causes universes to vanish, or everyone else’s futures to disappear. They might make then irrelevant to you because you’ve taken a different path yourself and you might not able be able for your consciousness on this thread to go mess with those other threads, but I’d expect them all to “exist” if they existed before.

But you could of course make up a system where it worked that way.

I think a common pitfall (in terms of making sense) of time travel genres is that they want paradoxically incompatible things: they want to be able to have their main characters travel between universes and change things, but they often also want that to be highly significant for the rest of the universe or even the multi-verse. But even our planet has billions of humans and thousands of years of history, and even our one galaxy has a practically incomprehensible number of stars, never mind the incomprehensible number of galaxies in the observed universe just at present. If every decision by one person can “create another universe” timeline branch, then it really seems like it would be infinitesimally insignificant to the infinitely varied array of timelines, if someone messes with a few of them, since apparently every time someone makes a choice, we get more universe threads, not fewer. And even if it were possible, as in some sci fi, to cause whole timelines to change and not exist by traveling back, then it’s something of a losing game, it would seem, to even try, as eventually more people will loop before you existed and cut off your story and have it not exist, which is pretty much the opposite of having significance in a story.

Seems to me like the rational response to the idea of an infinite array of universes is to try to be in the most enjoyable one, not to try to control all the universes.

LostInParadise's avatar

You can have a parallel universe set up in the past that is different from the original universe that you time traveled from. I am no scientist, but I know that there is a multi-universe interpretation of quantum mechanics that says that there are separate universes spun off for each of the possible quantum states. I have seen this used to explain the grandfather paradox of time travel, which says that traveling back in time is impossible, because if you kill your grandfather then you could not exist. The way around that is to say that the murder of the grandfather spins off another universe in which you never existed.

ScottyMcGeester's avatar

So I went with a different way of doing things that won’t get so messy with parallel universes but still drives home the point I want to make about wishing you could go back in time and make a different choice. Regardless, you have all been elucidative in the matter.

Thanks!

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