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How much has a “fat blasé” thinking of the US contributed to its overweight problem?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26798points) January 10th, 2016

Much has been said about the weight of US citizens and how it is going in the wrong direction. Isn’t the blasé, jaded approach the US has taken towards fat unintentionally feeding the overweight problem? If it were another problem like people deciding not to use scents or deodorant and smelled way more human than society has steered people to, or not washing and combing of hair, would people be just as cool with that? For women who traditionally benefitted less by being fat because of the blasé concern about fat and the advent of ”chubby chasers” who find women who decades ago had to settle for other really fat men or whoever they could get from a dating pool as small as a thimble, isn’t that taking away one motivation for them to slim down because they now don’t have to compete, they have men who are used to fat women and thus the dating pool for them has enlarged. All the way through K-6th grade there were only 2 fat kids in the whole school, and by today’s standard they would merely be chubby, nowhere near obese like some of these grade school kids are. If obese seems an alternate for of average, isn’t the unintended consequence people who do not see any need to slim down or that they may even be unhealthy?

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chyna's avatar

I don’t understand what your question is.

ibstubro's avatar

Fat Blaze?
I don’t think many people are thinking about it and I seriously doubt it’s been a significant cause of anything in the US.

marinelife's avatar

What a totally insulting premise.

America is obese because food creators fill our food with salt and sugar with no regard for the health consequences. Why is there sugar in mayonnaise? salt in everything? America is obese because we were evolutionarily designed for hours of hard physical work, which we do not do anymore and have not adjusted our exercise levels, which have been further eroded by the increase of technology. We are obese because medical research has not kept up with the problems caused by the conveniences that make our lives easier, but our health worse, has refused to take on the food lobby, and totally failed to provide answers to long-lasting weight loss.

How dare you assume people just want to be fat?

Coloma's avatar

When you have a glut of readily available foods, many which are fast, easy and loaded with calories and fat, coupled with sedentary work and lifestyles, people are going to gain weight. This isn’t 1860 anymore where you worked outdoors and walked everywhere and ate wholesome foods. There were no handy boxes of crackers and cookies and chips and snack foods. There was no such thing as “snacks” for centuries.

If people still lived the way they did pre-industrial revolution they could eat all of todays foods and not gain weight even if they are not the healthiest choices. I just came in from seeing ” The Revenant” this afternoon….if we were still trudging around in the snow in buffalo skins and burning about 10,000 calories a day we could eat all the junk in the world. lol

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^^ America is obese because food creators fill our food with salt and sugar with no regard for the health consequences.
OK, let’s run with that a moment, that would mean US citizens are so apathetic that even though they know the food is loaded with sugars, salt, fillers, etc. they can’t be bothered to pressure the food producers to change or have he gumption to boycott those who refuse to change.

America is obese because we were evolutionarily designed for hours of hard physical work, which we do not do anymore and have not adjusted our exercise levels, which have been further eroded by the increase of technology.
Running with that I guess the citizenry as to acquiesce they are just too lazy to keep up with all the food they are stuffing down their pie hole. Even if technology removes physical labor, they can go work out with the time saved by doing the physical labor….that is certainly a plus for John and Jane Q.

How dare you assume people just want to be fat?
I would not think anyone would want to be fat, but from what I have seen here and in the real world, some don’t care because others don’t care. If no one cares enough to get in their grill about their weight, why do anything about it? If someone whispered in their ear that they had an odor at the last staff meeting they would be embarrassed or motivated enough to correct the problem. With so many not seeming to care about having to many people walk around fat, why would fat people care? It is not like people are telling them for fear of offending them.

chyna's avatar

Oh… I get it. You are being a bully and body shaming. Good luck with that HC. Nobody likes a bully.

dammitjanetfromvegas's avatar

I get what you are asking. It’s a legitimate question.

I don’t think the fact that acceptance of being overweight has contributed to the problem. Acceptance is just a way of not feeling worse than they already are. Most overweight people know they are overweight. They don’t need society telling them they are repulsive.

dammitjanetfromvegas's avatar

Too late for me to edit, so sorry for the double post. Most people need to accept their flaws or bad behaviors before they can move on and better themselves. Belittling them or making them feel worse often leads to more of the harmful behavior.

ibstubro's avatar

^^^I’ll let you girls handle this.
As near as I can tell, this tar-baby of a question is about fat women, and the reasons men should shame them?

“For women who traditionally benefitted less by being fat because of the blasé concern about fat and the advent of ”chubby chasers” who find women who decades ago had to settle for other really fat men or whoever they could get from a dating pool as small as a thimble, isn’t that taking away one motivation for them to slim down because they now don’t have to compete, they have men who are used to fat women and thus the dating pool for them has enlarged.”

If the question was written in standard English, it might be worth mentioning Renaissance women?

dammitjanetfromvegas's avatar

Then flag and let the mods handle it.

Seek's avatar

I really enjoy stand up comedy. Today I was listening to some clips on Pandora.

Ralphie May, if you’re not familiar with him, is a gentleman of considerable size.

He mentioned in this clip that sometimes people will come up to him after his shows and compliment the performance, and then ask him why he doesn’t try to lose weight.

“Ralphie, don’t you want to live to be 100?”

His answer? “Not if I can’t have tacos, and as many as I want. What’s the point in living a hundred years if I can’t enjoy them the way I want to?”

ucme's avatar

Blame cheese with everything & cable tv

Judi's avatar

The problem is a sedentary lifestyle and hormones and fillers in our food. In America you can weigh 300 lbs and be malnourished. There are so many choices and most of them are empty calories. I don’t know the solution as I am constantly struggling with my weight but I have a pretty good idea what the problem is. People who live in other countries aren’t as big as we are here. We have allowed lots of non “food” stuff into our food supply and it’s killing us.

katykit's avatar

Blase is neutral in nature. It is impossible for neutral to contribute to anything. To say fat blase is a contributor to weight gain is the same as saying Switzerland was a contributor to the concentration camps because they were a neutral country during World War II.

Since no one is forcing anyone to become overweight or obese, then the only sole contributor is the person who is overweight or obese. If we’re talking about children under the age of reason, then the parents would be at fault.

“It’s not the dress that makes you look fat. It’s the fat that makes you look fat.”—Al Bundy

Stinley's avatar

I agree with your original question that we have become too used to seeing very overweight people. The norm has shifted. I also agree with others that the abundance of food which we are predisposed to overeat makes it difficult to resist and leads to obesity.

What I disagree with is the tone of the explanation. The question is posed as an issue for people in general but then degenerates into a rant about fat women. This is a problem for both men and women both in terms of their health and possibly in terms of their attractiveness. I have said previously that your general tone is often misogynistic. This to me is a prime example of you taking a reasonable question and totally turning it into a hateful piece of writing. Hateful in that it is full of hate. For women. I don’t understand why you feel like this or why you find it necessary to let us know you feel like this.

Coloma's avatar

Once people pack on extra weight it is very difficult to get it off and keep it off again.
It’s a well known fact that half the people will re-gain the lost weight and more and it takes extreme dedication and diligence to maintain say a 40, 50, 60 lb. weight loss, let alone those that need to shed even more. The body wants to hang onto to the fat and also, the older we get the harder it is to keep it off. Nobody wants to be overweight but once they are it takes a monumental effort of reduce and maintain.

I have severely sprained my ankle twice now in the last 14 weeks and am wearing an ankle brace every day, and have gained about 12 lbs.
At 56 now gone are the days where I walked and jogged 3 miles a day and sometimes 5 and while I am not morbidly obese I need to drop some weight these days but it is very slow going.

Haleth's avatar

“blah blah blah fat women blah blah”

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@chyna Oh… I get it. You are being a bully and body shaming.
No, you don’t get it because you got that all wrong.

@dammitjanetfromvegas I don’t think the fact that acceptance of being overweight has contributed to the problem.
What I am saying is not incumbent of whether fat people accept themselves and their fat or not, some apparently do. It is more to how society in general accepts it, when something gets accepted as the average, how could it not affect those who fall in the category? It could have been stinky feet, but that is not visual or something most would experience if they were not close or in the family of the person with stinky feet. One such acceptance is guys with droopy pants, in my younger days those doing it would have gotten clowned, ostracized, and in the wrong neighborhood, they would have been made to touch every fire hydrant on the street and left holding their teeth in their hands. You can’t say anything about fat people and why they are, because you get labeled a bully, and that is why people are too cowardly to even speak of it.

@ibstubro As near as I can tell, this tar-baby of a question is about fat women, and the reasons men should shame them?
Sorry, but it isn’t that type pf question.

If the question was written in standard English, it might be worth mentioning Renaissance women?
Doesn’t apply because that was then and this was now. Adding the fact that I do not believe women in general used deodorant, only the wealthy really had perfumes, bathing was probably not done daily, and the bra was not invented so surely they were not shackled down in those Spandex/Lycra contraptions. You can’t use them aside women of today unless you want to use all of what they were.

@katykit Since no one is forcing anyone to become overweight or obese, then the only sole contributor is the person who is overweight or obese.
If a person was born in a tight-knit community where 87% of the people had dwarfism and they did too, would they be as self-conscious of their height if they grew up in a tight-knit community where the average height was 6ft 1in? Unlike dwarfism overweight can be remedied, but if 60% or more people around you are fat, then you blend and don’t stick out, and if you don’t stick out, and no one cares that you are fat, one might not do what they could to drop the weight because they can’t enjoy tacos, mashed potatoes with giblet gravy, ice cream sundaes, etc. and be happy.

@Stinley The question is posed as an issue for people in general but then degenerates into a rant about fat women.
That is because you ignored the part about fat kids that you got it wrong.

Hateful in that it is full of hate. For women. I don’t understand why you feel like this or why you find it necessary to let us know you feel like this.
It would seem that way to people who are convicted by it because maybe they see themselves in it when they were not named. Are you going on record to say in the US being overweight has not harmed women more in the public eye than men?

@Coloma It’s a well known fact that half the people will re-gain the lost weight and more and it takes extreme dedication and diligence to maintain say a 40, 50, 60 lb. weight loss, let alone those that need to shed even more.
It is greatly because people try to do it all with wacky diets. If you make the body believe there is a famine going on, it will slow the metabolism, kick starting it back up once one falls off the wagon and started stuffing the hot dogs, buttered popcorn and Haagen-Dazs®. If they just eat what they like but eat it in moderation and get their bones moving, what weight they did not drop would be muscle (I know, I been there, done that).

dammitjanetfromvegas's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central Our society has become very sensitive. I agree.

Stinley's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central the fact that you talked about adults and children in general doesn’t mean that you didn’t have a rant about fat women.

Also I understood your original remarks said fat women have it better now and somehow this means that I have to swear that women have it worse because they are fat. A coherent response would more convincing

katykit's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central

Normal weight people are a minority in the U.S. The majority are obese or overweight. Why aren’t the people of normal weight self-conscious about their normal weight? Is the blase from obese and overweight people contributing to the people of normal weight?

Side question. If someone fell into a lion’s pit at the zoo and I’m sitting there watching him get eaten alive, did I contribute to his death?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@Stinley @Hypocrisy_Central the fact that you talked about adults and children in general doesn’t mean that you didn’t have a rant about fat women.
Everyone has their own perception, sometimes it manufactures things that was never there.

Also I understood your original remarks said fat women have it better now and somehow this means that I have to swear that women have it worse because they are fat.
OK, we will go it your way, women if yesterday who were fat, their fat did not make them less of a catch than slender, toned women, and they were just plain uglier…..now we have that settled.

@katykit Why aren’t the people of normal weight self-conscious about their normal weight?
Because that is the ”gold standard”, as it has been for ages, that is the body type that has been selling America gum, eyeglasses, vehicles, Carl’s Jr. burgers, and much more. Any woman that was fat would not have had a chance at Mrs. America or anything else. That would be like asking, why Caucasian people of the 30s-50s was not subconscious because they were white. Toned and slender people sit atop the media food chain, less you have a different idea?

Coloma's avatar

Well.. by 8:30 am today I have fed the horses, raked 3 paddocks of poop and flung about 20, 20 lb. manure rakes full of poo into the manure pile. Tromped up the hill twice from the barn, about 300 yards, all uphill, unless you’re going down hill, lol…and….traversed the other hill up to let the hens out to range.
I have taken out the trash and recycles, about another 40 lbs. of lifting and carrying, and am about to go get all the waterfowl out of their barn, bend, lift and carry about 75 lbs. of water buckets, pitch the soled straw out, rip apart flakes of new straw for bedding, bend, lift and dump and refill 6 swimming tubs and then walk the 1/8th of a mile up to the mailbox and back. I should burn about 1000 calories before breakfast.

The ranch chick fitness program. haha

katykit's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central

You didn’t answer my lion’s pit question.

I’m just trying to figure out the reasoning for the connection you’re trying to make between blase and the rate of obesity. I don’t understand how you can say that the choices people chose that consequently made them fat or keeps them fat is all because of my blase towards fat people.

With the myriad of variables available, how did you pinpoint it to blase?

What makes you think active shaming and criticism is going to lower the rate of obesity?

Coloma's avatar

@katykit Shaming and criticizing never works, it just well…shames and criticizes.
There is also still a huge bias, minus morbid obesity between men and women. Women are much more maligned for being overweight than men are. Men can laugh off their beer bellies but women are labelled with all sorts of derogatory terms. When’s the time you heard someone call a man a fat cow. haha

dammitjanetfromvegas's avatar

If you watch Curb Your Enthusiasm you’ll hear “you fat fuck” from Susie to her husband. :)

Strauss's avatar

@Coloma If people still lived the way they did pre-industrial revolution they could eat all of todays foods and not gain weight even if they are not the healthiest choices.

Even more so if people still lived the way they did pre-agriculture. At least that’s the theory behind the so-called “Paleo Diet”.

Coloma's avatar

@Yetanotheruser True. Running from Sabre tooth tigers and Dire Wolves and Mastodons certainly added to our exercise needs while dining on berries and seeds and lichens. lol

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@katykit Side question. If someone fell into a lion’s pit at the zoo and I’m sitting there watching him get eaten alive, did I contribute to his death?
Not that it fits well to the situation at hand because being stupid enough to jump into the lion’s enclosure, or being careless enough to fall in there, is not a systemic action. To sit there watching him get eaten when there is something that could be done to rescue him would not be contributing, some may say sadistic, certainly not helpful. The best way that scenario would work is if several people were doing it as a fad, and you see a young man expressing the desire to do it and because it was done so often by so many people regardless of the dire consequences, you expressed verbally or by gesture that is was cool, or OK.

jca's avatar

I believe someone, somewhere, said that @katykit left the building.

ibstubro's avatar

Yup. @jca.
All you have to do is go to @katykit‘s last post above and click on the user name.
Neptune’s there.

Coloma's avatar

Well….sensitive types don’t last long in this sharp finned puddle. lol

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