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In your opinion, is this kind of speech okay?

Asked by trolltoll (2570points) April 21st, 2016

“First get her gang banged by well endowed HIV prisoners, then drop her in boiling oil for 1 hour, and then serve her boiled ass to the wild dogs!”

“Scald her for 25 minutes first, then death by firing squad.”

“I hope she gets burned and abused to the most severe level possible by big Bertha!”

“Start by putting her in scalding water one body part at a time. Hold her in until her skin starts to blister than take her out and let her recoup a bit. Put her back in. Repeat until she’s begging for mercy and bleeding like a stuck pig.”

These are all comments left on this news article about a woman who murdered her four-year-old stepson by submerging him in scalding water for 25 minutes, then putting him to bed, where he was found dead by his father 17 hours later.

I believe that what this woman did is worthy of the death penalty. But I don’t see the value in indulging these sorts of violent revenge fantasies. I understand where these people are coming from but I don’t that any good can come from saying things like this. Not to say that having these thoughts makes you (the general you) as bad as this monster, but these are nevertheless monstrous thoughts.

Is this kind of speech okay? Is it okay to give expression to violent, gory fantasies or advocate torture, as long as the person it’s directed toward is a bad person?

I feel like I’m not articulating this well.

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trolltoll's avatar

Maybe to further elaborate what I mean by it being “okay:” is this speech that we should discourage? Do we have a responsibility to discourage or even censor this kind of speech?

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

It is not tactful but otherwise ok. When we try to protect people from being “offended” then we eventually adopt newspeak and lose free speech.

trolltoll's avatar

I’m not concerned that it’s offensive. I think it’s inhumane.

Jak's avatar

Wow. I had not heard about this. I know how you feel though. I don’t condone censorship, but I do agree that some moderation of speech should be expected t Kind of like hate mongering, or how Drumpf speaks to incite violence. Where do you draw the line? I personally think that reason and logic should prevail. Those comments seem to me to be pre riot speech. Riots get out of hand and atrocities are committed when there is a mob mentality in control. I still believe that Ayahuasca is a viable rehabilitator, but that’s another discussion.
But the goal of prison, I thought, was not only punishment but rehabilitation. Don’t we want people who commit crimes to realize what they did wrong? The full extent of their acts, and to be genuinely remorseful, repentant and penitent? Isn’t that the root of the word penitentiary? There seems to have been precious little of that in the history of our country, we’re more about revenge and making them pay. And it is “them”, as in separate from “us”.
Let me just give some space here to a wise man about crime;
”...Oftentimes have I heard you speak of one who commits a wrong as though he were not one of you, but a stranger unto you and an intruder upon your world.
But I say that even as the holy and righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you,
so the wicked and weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.
And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree,
so the wrongdoer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all.”
K Gibran
I believe that this is why we are so vociferous in our condemnation of others who commit such heinous crimes. We seek to distance ourselves because on some level, this truth is known to us. We are all culpable on some level.

jaytkay's avatar

Given an anonymous outlet, seething hateful losers lash out like this.

It’s pretty much the norm on the Internet.

trolltoll's avatar

@SecondHandStoke care to elaborate why you think so?

ucme's avatar

Of course it’s not, but the provocative nature of the statements should be translated as a horrified public venting initial fury, which is absolutely understandable, although a little skewed
Kill the evil bitch “legally” & your conscience is clean

MollyMcGuire's avatar

I understand what you are saying. I think there is something wrong with people who can think up this kind of mean stuff.

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