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If there were widespread Brexit "Voter's Remorse" in the UK, could anything be done to reverse today's LEAVE decision?

Asked by Pachy (18610points) June 24th, 2016 from iPhone

Not that I expect that to happen anymore than diehard American voters lovers ever showing “Trump Remorse.”

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thorninmud's avatar

I saw one article mentioning the remote possibility that the EU could negotiate an offer of better terms with Britain, and that the offer could be put to yet another referendum. But that was entirely speculative, and was deemed “extremely unlikely”.

Lightlyseared's avatar

The result of the referendum wasn’t actually legally binding meaning the UK doesn’t automatically have to leave. However a lot of politicians would lose face…

Looking at the Google searches run since midnight it suggests that very few people knew what they were voting for. One of the problems with direct democracy.

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Stinley's avatar

There is a petition to have a second referendum. One of the politicians for Vote Leave said previously that if the vote was less than 52% to remain he would call for a revote. He’s keeping quiet now. But I’m not sure. We have voted to Leave and I do respect the democratic process. We need to respect what the majority want

stanleybmanly's avatar

Bravely said as “into the mouth of hell rode….”

ragingloli's avatar

@Stinley
52% barely qualifies as a majority. Statistically it is more of a draw.
And really, for a decision with such far ranging consequences, a ⅔rds majority should be required.

Stinley's avatar

@ragingloli I agree and believe me that this is not the result I voted for. We’ve been fucked by Cameron calling this referendum, we’ve been fucked by Boris Johnson and his years of Euro scaremongering and we’ve been fucked by these kind of safeguards not being a part of the referendum process

Jeruba's avatar

I read in some news report that the two top Google searches in the UK today were “What does it mean for Britain to leave the EU?” and “What’s the EU?”

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

@Stinley, is there any data about how many people in each age group voted? I’ve seen data that shows who voted what in which age groups, but not the statistics to indicate how many people in each age group. I wonder how many young people made it to the polls to vote. Or was this outcome dominated by older voters (who are more favourable to leaving the EU).

Jeruba's avatar

I’ve been wondering how much the heavy rains and flash floods in London might have affected the voting.

ibstubro's avatar

I think all the talk about the top Google searches in the UK being “What does it mean for Britain to leave the EU?” and “What’s the EU?” is a red herring, personally.
It’s just as likely that the people making the query are Bremainers in disbelief and people that didn’t vote for some reason, IMO.

The bottom line is the people of Britain need to pull their heads out of the sand, stop all self-delusion and get a grip.

Cameron has said he won’t follow through on his promise to invoke the withdrawal clause, instead leaving that to his successor. Then there are 2 years to negotiate the deal.
Do you know, @Stinley, what happens if the withdrawal clause is never formally invoked?

Irukandji's avatar

It’s not a hypothetical question. A lot of people didn’t take the vote seriously, so it’s possible we’ll see a reversal sometime during the two-year waiting period. It won’t happen right away, though. If anything happens, it will probably be closer to the end of the window.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I’m not in the UK, but I think such a major decision should require more than one votes. In general elections, some people make protest votes to show the powers that be what they think. Or they are apathetic and don’t bother to show up at the polls. I don’t know if that’s the case here, but I’d really like to see some demographic information about not only the age of the voters and their choice, but how many in each age group voted.

For such an important issue, I would prefer to see more than one vote to ensure the decision is absolutely certain.

Can this be changed, no. Will the EU be nice to the UK, I doubt it. They don’t want anyone else jumping ship, so I suspect they will try to take a hard line to deter other countries from following the same path.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

I’m proud of the UK myself. Some of the answers here are funny. When you don’t like the result there needs to be another vote? Ridiculous. Boo hoo hoo if ignorant folks vote. It happens all the time. It’s how Obama got to be president of the USA.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

@MollyMcGuire, the difference is when people vote in an election they get another go in a few years. This is a one-time decision. There’s no going back.

As I said in my post, young people especially tend to be naive and apathetic about the effect their vote can have. This news story shows a significant of young people, the people who are going to most affected by this decision, did not vote.

Similarly, this news story supports my suggestion that this outcome could in part be a result of a ‘protest vote’.

This is too important to allow significant doubt to remain.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

It’s done. Why aren’t you happy to be out of the corrupt EU. Take your country back. I’m celebrating!

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

@MollyMcGuire, I’m not in the UK. I’m not celebrating or commiserating. I don’t think the result is a definitive representation of what people in the UK want and I think it’s too important a vote to be unsure. Hence my comment that despite the cost, a best of three votes would have provided more certainty. If people have showed up on three occasions and the result is ‘leave’, there can be no doubt that’s what they want. I also think this should have been a compulsory vote. The cost to leave, and especially if it isn’t clear that the majority of UK citizens really do want to leave, is going to be much higher.

cazzie's avatar

@MollyMcGuire what is so corrupt about being a member of the EU? Who do you think they are taking their country back from?

Stinley's avatar

@MollyMcGuire to be honest most large communities including the USA are as corrupt as each other. To me this is like the state of California voting to leave the USA. Do you think that is a good idea? Would you be celebrating then?

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

This Wall Street Journal analysis suggests those who did not vote, have made a huge difference. It would be really interesting to see the post voting stats.

cazzie's avatar

If my American friends can learn anything here it is that Apathy, ironically, matters a great deal.

Stinley's avatar

@ibstubro yes I have tried to get on there

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I saw a news story that said it’s up to a million signatures now.

Seek's avatar

A friend posted this on Facebook today. Gave me a sort of chuckle.

“What if the Brexit is just a scam to keep Americans from moving there if Trump is elected. After the election they all jump out and yell“Fooled ya!””

BellaB's avatar

I’m interested to see what will happen with Scotland and Northern Ireland. Can England survive on its own? will other regions try to separate/secede as well?

Stinley's avatar

@BellaB The Scottish Government have met today, Saturday, to start drafting legislation to call another Scottish independence referendum

ragingloli's avatar

I hope the scots succeed this time. That will show those island apes.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

The EU leadership in general appear to be acting like a spurned lover. All except Merkel. Her comments today were somewhat reassuring. IMO, only a complete dumbass or cynic would take this as a serious majority vote. Too many Brexit people are admitting that they really didn’t think Brexit would carry and voted as a protest vote. They awoke this morning as shocked as the 48%ers. We now have a new word in the Lexicon: Regrexit.

This should be a lesson to Americans who are voting for Trump simply because “we need something new”, that the unknown is preferable to the other two choices, that it can’t get any worse than a country led by Hillary or Bernie. Yeah, it can’t get any worse… tell the UK that.

Sheer fucking simple-minded stupidity.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Ha. Any minute now I expect Trump, in his eternal bombast, to offer statehood #51 and #52 to England and Wales thinking that senators with authentic English accents will lend a little “class” to Congress.

Isn’t the UK one of our top 3 trading partners? This can’t help but hurt us. And where will our top investment houses go the next time they go cowboy and need a bailout with Lloyd’s struggling to keep it’s nose above water? Deutsches Bank? Good luck on that. Look at the merciless austerity program they’ve imposed upon Greece—it’s tantamount to a sentence of 30 years hard labor in the Stalag.

This thing needs to be undone.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

All people really want is to work in a stable environment, raise their families and do a little economic climbing. We shouldn’t have to spend our time deciphering code and filtering out the lies of our leadership. The people who promoted this thing should have their heads on pikes at the Tower Gate.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m not well researched on this issue, but I think that the majority of the people were somehow taken by surprise. I’ll bet it was a vote on an issue that wasn’t well advertised (rather like city elections are not well advertised,) and when it came up, too many didn’t realize the consequences therefore didn’t vote.

flutherother's avatar

“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”

Jeruba's avatar

Thank you, Omar.

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