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Why for the most part does the average driver think the rules of the road are for everyone but them?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (23118points) August 23rd, 2016

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zenvelo's avatar

Because people overestimate their abilities. It’s called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

janbb's avatar

That has not been my experience. If it were true, I would think we’d see a lot more accidents.

anniereborn's avatar

Because most people are selfish asses.

picante's avatar

Perhaps my rapid devolution toward life as a curmudgeon is at play here, but I am noticing an alarming increase in folks who simply “correct their mistakes” at others’ expense. I’m talking about being in the left turn lane and realizing you need to turn right. So you do.

I’ve witnessed several near-calamities in the past few days. If I am in the wrong lane, and there is too much traffic (hell, any traffic) for me to take corrective action on the spot, I’ll simply circle the block or do whatever it takes to get myself right at my own expense.

YARNLADY's avatar

I don’t have a good answer for that, but in an earlier question, when I pointed out that I always drive the speed limit, everybody gave me a bad time.

kritiper's avatar

It isn’t just drivers who think that.

Pachy's avatar

It’s the ol’ “Rules apply to others, not to me.”

It’s also that delicious feeling of alcohol-induced invulnerability one often experiences right up to the moment he or she plows into another car.

greatfullara's avatar

because the brain get flooded with the neurotransmitter gabba,which suppresses the fear center in the brain.

Love_my_doggie's avatar

I like to hope that your question doesn’t apply to the “average driver.” If most of us thought and behaved in the yield-to-me spirit, the roads would be extremely treacherous. I truly believe that such aggression is an outlier mindset, not the norm.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Love_my_doggie if you witnessed what I have in my years behind the wheel you would know exactly why I asked this question.
Here are just a few outstanding ones, on a two lane highway and traveling the speed limit I witnessed an SUV passing me, no big deal right ? Except there was three on coming vehicles way to close to make the pass safely he shoved all three over the white line onto the shoulder what makes this story great was the middle car was a fully marked cop car.
A couple in a small ford wagon swerved to miss a mountain sheep right in front of me and hit a SUV head-on killing themselves and injuring the driver of the SUV..
Had a lady with a car load of kids pass me on a double solid line in a blind corner I slammed on the brakes just in time for her to get in front and miss the semi coming the other way,WHY!?? I was doing the speed limit..
I see people passing on double solid everyday, ignoring stop signs, and have no idea what a yield signs even means.
Now do you know why I asked the question?
Oh and one night a saw this car approach a traffic circle and proceed left through it.

CWOTUS's avatar

A thoughtful consideration of this question in its entirety will help lead one to a fairly obvious response. We tend to think that others can make allowances for our shortcomings – and they generally do.

As I mentioned, take this question as an illustrative example. Posters on Fluther are generally requested to write a short “topic question” and then to flesh out the question with details (to avoid potential misunderstanding, to lead respondents to the specific question that the writer had in mind, and to add necessary particulars to aid in forming a response), yet you simply added details “None needed” (I’m not singling you out; you’re not the only one to add “detail” such as “as asked” or other non-detail) – and here are several on-topic responses already who have made allowance for the ‘shortcoming’ of your question. You haven’t followed the rules of the road of Fluther … and yet, here you are still on the road, so to speak.

It works that way with driving, too, as with nearly everything else in life. We figure that people can make allowances and will make allowances, and they generally do.

I’m not holding myself up as any paragon. I have my own faults and failings – as we all do – but mine are generally not in the driving arena. (Sometimes they are; I can also drive distracted, overtired, angry or upset at something unrelated to the driving, or upset at what I consider to be bad acts by other drivers, too fast or too slow, confused about where I am or where I should be, too fast because too late because too lazy to leave on time, impatient, etc. Still, I haven’t had an accident of any kind in decades, because my mistakes aren’t generally unrecoverable – and because other drivers have also made allowances for my occasional poor driving from time to time.)

So if we’re mindful of these things, then we try to improve our own watchfulness and skills, learn from our own and others’ mistakes, expect that others will still make mistakes and bad decisions, and make those allowances ourselves when we can. And then come on Fluther to bitch about it. It’s what we’re here for.

You could see the same thing in 99 out of 100 text messages (not while driving, obviously) in which users who have presumably had at least marginally successful high school educations cannot or will not spell out even two words in ten, use no punctuation and use the lamest of sentence construction … and yet find that their own respondents have a generally good understanding of what was meant. You can see it everywhere, but driving and text messages are pretty universal among North American adults these days.

People are sloppy and careless, in other words, because they can get away with it. Let’s talk about restaurant kitchens next, and see what details are flushed out (so to speak) in that discussion.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

But @CWOTUS we are not exposed to restaurant kitchens like we are bad drivers, we just eat the food that comes out of them, and if we were exposed they would either clean up or lose a lot of customers.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I think it’s not that they think that the rules don’t apply to them, it’s if there ARE no rules they just drive mindlessly. Those who cruise in the passing lane for example. They don’t even know they’re doing anything wrong.

In my town about 50% of the residential streets have absolutely no signs at the intersections. None. The vast majority of people just bonzii through those intersections, neither slowing down or bothering to look left or right. I don’t think they’re consciously saying, “I have the right of way all the time, in every situation.” They just don’t consider the possibility of another car approaching at the same time. It’s just stupid.

Seems like most people need “rules” to play safely. They can’t figure it out for themselves. Consider how cars bunch up in herds, at 70 mph on the freeway. Does it not occur to them that it would be safer if they spread out? But there is no “rule” to tell them to do that.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

The average driver doesn’t think that. I understand you’re on the road all day, and other drivers must irritate you, but the majority of average drivers on the road don’t disregard the road rules or behave like fools or selfish idiots. Most drivers (in my experience) are responsible. Let’s not tar all drivers with the misdemeanours of the few. If we’re going to make blanket statements about drivers, there would be plenty of people who could and would say all truck drivers are selfish, irresponsible, drugged up fools who should face more regulation. Some are. Most are not.

canidmajor's avatar

I agree with @Earthbound_Misfit that the average driver does not. In fact everything in the above post is exactly how I feel. Some small passenger vehicle drivers are jerks. Some big truck drivers are jerks. I think, if you were objective, you would find that the percentages were about the same.

jca's avatar

99% of all drivers are fine. It’s the 1% that stand out, pissing off other drivers and causing havoc where they go.

janbb's avatar

^^ I agree which is what I was saying in my first response.

canidmajor's avatar

I thought about referencing you, @janbb, but I was too lazy, and @Earthbound_Misfit‘s was right there…..... ;-)

janbb's avatar

My feathers were slightly ruffled.

canidmajor's avatar

Contrition is offered, eyes are downcast, ears are drooped in apology…

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I gave the penguin a GA because it was a good response and had been missed in the flurry of feathers.

canidmajor's avatar

Gotta keep the penguin happy! Anybody got an extra herring?

janbb's avatar

nom, nom, nom

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I can throw her a sardine… will that do @janbb?

Dutchess_III's avatar

I encounter too many foolish moves on a short general drive through my small town to agree with the 99% part. I’d give it maybe a 60% are OK.

I trust most truckers.

Problem is, when you drive, especially at high speeds, you have to be ready for one of those 40% rotten drivers to be in your area at any time.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Move to my area of the southeastern USA, red lights are only for advice, RUN UM. Sometimes ten or more seconds after the light changes.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Sounds like tornado sirens around here. They don’t go off until the stuff has done passed!

JLeslie's avatar

The average driver doesn’t in my opinion. Although, some parts of the US are worse than others.

Some of them don’t even know some of the traffic laws, so then they don’t think they don’t need to abide by the law, they don’t even know they aren’t following the law.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They don’t even abide by common sense and common courtesy. And that is the real problem. And it’s getting worse. They don’t take other driver’s needs into account, only their own.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Dutchess_III It’s a me first at all costs world, and they definitely drive like it, even if they have to die for it.
Another fine accident a while back,came upon this bad head on, and you know the sad part, was there was a passing lane not more than 30seconds down the road.
And I really don’t care about the other drivers needs , these people just have to wake up and realize they are not the only vehicle on the damn road, like our big electronic highway signs say “LEAVE THE PHONE ALONE FOCUS ON DRIVING”.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

And maybe for the people that are getting offended by me claiming the average driver, maybe it is because I spend way more hours on the road than you that I am exposed to that 1% that you claim is the bad drivers?

canidmajor's avatar

@jca was the only one who mentioned a “1%” and I give her experience more credence than yours, @SQUEEKY2, as she drives every day in the New York area and you’re in BC. Granted, my regular BC driving experience was 20 years ago, but I doubt there has been such a stunning increase in population and traffic as to rival what @jca commutes through daily, and what I (and probably @janbb) drive through with fair regularity.
Yes, there are jerks, and folks that don’t pay enough attention, yes, you spend more hours on the road than we do, but I have seen proportionately as many jerks driving big rigs as regular passenger car drivers.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I was going to say, I didn’t say anything about 1%. I’m on your side @SQUEEKY2.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@canidmajor What @jca has to navigate daily in a small passenger car does not compare to a 83foot 63.5 ton 2 trailer rig, and the lower mainland has seen an explosion of growth in the last twenty years 6 lane highways 3 going each way.
and is nothing compared to mountain driving winter or summer.
I will agree there are a lot of bad transport drivers out there but the industry through regulations forces them to either get better or get out after a while.
Car drivers don’t have that so they keep repeating their mistakes day after day after day.
Also remember all truck drivers are at work and under at times great pressure to make deadlines, and schedules to keep, so when a car just has to be in front of us just to slow down and drive slower then we were can bring out the worst in anyone.

canidmajor's avatar

You are missing my point, @SQUEEKY2, but I’m pretty sure you’re not interested in it, as you keep hammering at the same old point again and again because we don’t all agree with you.
Never mind. Enjoy your outrage.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

What is your point if I am so blind????
That there are jerks driving both transports and cars? yeah I got that.
That @jca has more credence in her driving because she drives through a thicker populated area in her commute ?
What is the point that there will always be jerks on the highways shut up and just deal with it??
Stats can has pointed out that when a car and a transport are involved in an accident 90% it is the car drivers fault, am I missing that 10% of the time it is the transports fault?

Love_my_doggie's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 My 60th birthday is next month. Do you really believe that I’m a traffic neophyte who’s never witnessed horrific driving?

The examples that you keep hammering? You, yourself, describe them as “outstanding ones.” The “average driver” doesn’t cause head-on collisions or shove cars off the road. If that were true, we’d all die in traffic incidents.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Guys. You aren’t listening to @SQUEEKY2. You use @jca as your example. She drives to and from a specific point, almost every day. 50 miles there, 50 miles back. 100 miles a day, she drives to her work and back. She commented in another thread that she has to stay right on top of the car in front of her, or other cars will try to get into the fast lane in front of her, cutting her off. Yes, that is some intense stuff at 80 mph for 50 miles each way, with less than a car length between her and the car in front of her, but that is just her one, daily experience in one set of driving conditions.

All of us drive for a while every day to get to work or whatever, and we probably all have the same general experiences along the way.

For @SQUEEKY2 driving the truck is his work, 8 or 9 hours a day or more. That’s hundreds of miles every day, in a huge variety of conditions, including freeway driving, and I don’t think any amount of sporadic driving in a passenger car can compare to the thousands of hours, and experiences, a transport driver has, no matter where it is.

canidmajor's avatar

Then, @Dutchess_III, he needs to choose his words more carefully. “Average” does not describe it. “Average” is an inappropriate word.
Or, he needs to define his use of “average” as it differs from most. There are many more reasonable drivers than not, otherwise what @janbb said would be true, there would be many more accidents. He does not notice “average” drivers, because they’re driving just fine. He notices the careless or bad ones. He makes the point, in question after question, that he thinks regular drivers are bad. We get it already.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The bad ones make a bigger impression, but I notice the ones who adjust their driving for the conditions. I notice the ones who move over when I need to enter. I notice the ones who, deliberately, leave a nice, big space for me, and others, to move in and out of. Those drivers are the ones who make driving a cooperative, not a competition. I don’t know that they’re in the majority, though.

I think he’s saying most drivers don’t really think about what they’re doing, about what is around them. I agree. Most drivers just drive, and a lot of stuff takes them by surprise. They don’t give driving any more thought than walking down a nature trail.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Exactly @Dutchess_III a while back ,and I think it was you posted this video of a big wreck on a icy interstate highway the truckers noticed it and backed off as to not be a part of it, NOT the car drivers they just zipped in and bounced off all the cars that were already smashed up.

The lower greater Vancouver area has a population of around 2 million, and they have roughly over 700 auto accidents everyday 365 days a year that’s 255500 a year and that is just that area, it doesn’t include the rest of B.C.
And @canidmajor sorry if lumping most car drivers as average upsets you,but if you spent as much time on the road as I have you might get the idea where I am coming from.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yeah, watching those drivers just plow into those wrecks blows my mind. How could they not see it well in advance? Were they too close behind other drivers so they couldn’t see in advance?
To me, that’s a huge problem, not giving yourself enough room to take counter measures, instead depending on the guy in front of you to react, and he’s depending on the guy in front of him to react and then…that’s all she wrote. You’re so close you don’t have a chance in hell of not hitting the person in front when everyone slams on their brakes.

jca's avatar

When I have to brake quickly on the highway I’ll put the hazards on for a few seconds, until the car behind me sees this is serious.

@SQUEEKY2: I wonder if the car drivers did not stop like the truck drivers did, when approaching the wrecks, because the truck drivers were up high in the cab whereas the car drivers are down low and can’t see too far ahead?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

That would be the rational way of looking at it @jca , It’s more like the truckers were on their radios telling others about the wreck and to back off.
The car drivers didn’t have that, and not paying attention to what the truckers were doing only saw the opportunity to get past the trucks and be on their way to the crash.
I want to point out when the roads are really bad Mrs Squeeky pays attention to the the truckers are driving not the car drivers and it has saved her more than once.

jca's avatar

Gotcha, @SQUEEKY2. My impression from the way you wrote Exactly @Dutchess_III a while back ,and I think it was you posted this video of a big wreck on a icy interstate highway the truckers noticed it and backed off as to not be a part of it, NOT the car drivers they just zipped in and bounced off all the cars that were already smashed up.” You seemed to be saying the car drivers were to blame for not seeing the wreck and braking accordingly.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Gosh, when ever someone hits their brakes in front of me, I am immediately alert and slowing down.

My husband, on the other hand is like, “What is he doing???! The idiot!!!” and he’ll start to accelerate to go around him. Then I yell at him. He doesn’t do that any more, actually. He’s changed much of his driving practices since I’ve met him. Took forever, some of them, for him to realize what he was doing was really not safe. Tailgating, getting impatient, charging up and back to pass. Stop already. Just fall back and while and chill.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@jca actually, in the video he’s referring to some car drivers did see the wreck, and were able to slow down to minimize the impact. Some were even able to stop and get off the road, while others, coming down the same trajectory, with the same line of sight, never even slowed down. And yes. The car drivers who didn’t see it, where others did, were to blame for not being alert enough to see the wreck until it was too late.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I found the video.
Also notice how, in general, the cars come in waves of packs? That’s that pack mentality that is so dangerous.

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