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Why don't people who "correct" my scientific knowledge admit their mistake?

Asked by SmashTheState (14245points) October 7th, 2016

Recently, someone on Fluther posted an “actually…” where he told me what I had stated about a subject was entirely wrong. I spent a half-hour or so looking up citations from peer-reviewed science journals which supported my initial claims. The response? Silence.

This has been going on for decades. I read a lot of science and follow Discover, Nature, SciAm, the NEJM, the Lancet, and a few other publications. I have an especial interest in “fringe” science, where the interesting stuff is most often found. Because of my knowledge of a lot of esoteric science, I’m confronted by a lot of “actually…“s from people who think I’m an idiot. I usually let it pass, but sometimes it annoys me enough to go and hunt down proper citations. And in all the years I’ve been doing this no one has ever said, “My bad, you were right.” Not once.

One of my most vivid memories of this happened on DALnet #Atheism, which is full of naive materialists who worship science, where I was regarded as a “pomo” crackpot. (“Pomo” is pejorative slang for “postmodern,” used by hardcore materialists as an insult for anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs.) One day in particular, I mentioned anti-entropic matter, pondering what physical properties it would possess. They mocked me for over an hour, telling me anti-entropic matter is “pseudo-science” or can’t exist, or I’ve clearly misunderstood something because I’m too dumb to grok it. I eventually became annoyed enough to spend 40 minutes looking up the paper on computer modelling of anti-entropic matter which I had initially read about – on the website of the American Physical Society – and presented it triumphantly to the people who had been mocking me… and was completely ignored.

I really don’t get it. People who are so quick to call me an idiot who doesn’t possess their (low) level of scientific knowledge are completely uninterested when I prove that I’m not stupid or lying, and was in fact perfectly correct. What gives?

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snowberry's avatar

I’ve noticed that many folks (including here) join sites like this to either argue for argument’s sake, or to promote their own agenda, and tromp on anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Sorry, bud.

Seek's avatar

Hark, kettle! Thou art black!

SmashTheState's avatar

@Seek When I’m wrong, I admit my mistakes. It just happens that I’m rarely wrong because I don’t shoot my mouth off about things I don’t understand.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

STS you hardly understand at the level you think you do. Your refute did not dispell anything that was said in that thread, it simply described different sides of the same coin. I said nothing that is incorrect or not common knowledge, you actually did as well but your interpretation of what I responded to you with was that of an attack which it was not. This is why I did not deem it necessary to grace your troll with another response. That topic was about keeping water out of someones house not global warming but you want nothing more than to use it as a springboard to talk politics which is fine but not in that context. Then you post this backhanded question.

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SmashTheState's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me You know, I deliberately didn’t name-and-shame anyone. I mean, if the foo shits, then be my guest to wear it if you want to, but it really isn’t all about you regardless of whether or not you were the proximate trigger.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Ok, I’ll play. When you’re wrong you’re wrong provided it’s not a debateable issue. For example: I was corrected by a jelly about the equivalence of the centripetal force and gravity several weeks back. Reviewing that little tidbit of relativity I realized that I was indeed mistaken. Some people like to argue..and argue yet it’s not always something that can be proven one way or another. I’m not someone to argue once it has been conclusively settled.

Patton's avatar

Why, exactly, are you so interested in seeing someone concede? Exactly what about their submission do you desire? Are you under the impression that they cannot learn unless the admit to you that they were mistaken?

You also mention fringe science. A lot of fringe science is preliminary or exploratory. That’s why it is fringe science. In those areas, finding a paper or two that supports your point of view is possible no matter what your point of view is.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

The fact you mention is neither riddle nor surprise. Some who try to pounce on any perceive lack of knowledge about science of people they do not like do just that when it comes to areas they have very little knowledge of (though they think they do) such as spiritual matters, it almost appears the closest they ever came to anything of any spirit was what they found in a bottle at the bar.

cazzie's avatar

@Patton has a good point. If you think the other person is wrong, state your facts. But opinion is not fact. Goes both ways. I’m sick of people who go on at me for disagreeing with their opinion. You got an opinion, great, but it’s like an asshole. Everyone’s got one. If you feel the need to endlessly defend yours, perhaps the topic we disagree on isn’t your problem.

canidmajor's avatar

Because, @SmashTheState, as knowledgeable as you claim to be (again and again and again ad nauseum) you miss on one basic thing. Humans are basically a social species, and the concept of community involves getting along with each other in order to survive. It’s a pretty basic, visceral thing.
The vast majority of your interactions here express a smug, elitist, disdain for all of us. Your posts are full of condescension, and a conviction of your own superiority. Your behavior indicates a complete lack of empathy for anyone else, including those you purport to help.

You make the point, over and over, that you find us to be stupid, uninformed, and beneath your notice. That is why we don’t acknowledge your self-professed superiority. Why do you care enough to ask this? As @Patton asks, “why, exactly are you so interested in seeing someone concede?” I’d love to know the answer to that as well.
On second thought, no I wouldn’t.

I know the answer.

And really, it’s kind of sad.

SmashTheState's avatar

I wrote a very long message, decided I don’t actually care what @canidmajor thinks of me, and deleted it before I posted it. You’re welcome.

cazzie's avatar

@canidmajor ouch…. I was trying to put it nicer…....

DominicY's avatar

@canidmajor is spot on bt dubs. It’s refreshing to see people honest about other users on this site, though I’m sure this thread and its comments will be deleted…

tinyfaery's avatar

Most people don’t like to admit they’re wrong. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

But I could be wrong.

olivier5's avatar

You can’t force someone to read, understand and accept the evidence you present. Horses and water.

stanleybmanly's avatar

You can’t be surprised that people furiously resist backing away from their opinions. That being said, it’s a tonic to us all that STS remains dependably free from posting the trivial drivel that can pass for posts here. There are still some people here whose questions and answers I look forward to reading regardless of their congruence with my own take on the matters involved.

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