Supposedly bullies in the real do not realize they are bullies, is it plausible some on Fluther are bullies but don’t realize it either?

You will need to describe what you see as bullying behavior. In real life, bullying behaviors usually include a physical aspect.
People do things all the time and don’t know how those things are perceived.

You will need to describe what you see as bullying behavior.
What I may think of as bullying isn’t necessarily going to be seen as bullying by someone else, especially if they are doing it. However, if you cannot channel cyber bullying and use that as a template, I will inject some attributes I believe are or border bullying:

• Name calling, even if latent of veiled.
• Marginalizing someone by attacking their intelligence.
• Marginalizing someone by attacking their morality.
• Attacking their worth as a human.
• Attempted censoring of their comments.
• Lying on them.
• Attacking their credibility by twisting and misrepresenting what they said.
• Simple slandering.

Those would be a few of what I would say, now surely some will disagree and even try to debunk what I said, or plain make the accusation none of it ever happens here. Those who do any of it would certainly never admit to doing it, because of they are, they do not see anything wrong with what they are doing; like you never see a guilty man in prison, they are either innocent, they were framed or, justified in what they did.

I believe it’s plausible.

Teens experience cyberbullying. It doesn’t stop once they become adults. Many adults like to hide anonymously behind their computer and take their frustrations out online.

http://www.cyberbullyhotline.com/07-10-12-scourge.html

Well, let’s test this. According to your own definition, you are a bully. Did you realize that? If not, then the answer to your question is “yes, is it plausible some on Fluther are bullies but don’t realize it.”

Mo-om, he is breathing on me again!

@Patton Well, let’s test this. According to your own definition, you are a bully.
Some might see me as a bully, but if that is what you think, I am sure you have some ammo in those pistols that you can show or are you just whistling Dixie? Show me where I insulted someone or straight up slandered them? I have time, you can go back as far as you need to, to gather what you need. I will say, if I gave a cutting comment to anyone is because they dealt an insulting one first.

Well I not sure to go as far as bullying but will go for rude from time to time myself included.

@SQUEEKY2 Well I not sure to go as far as bullying but will go for rude from time to time myself included.
Yeah, rude is quite arbitrary; one may thing something is rude where another will not. There is a difference than bullying, for instance (hope you don’t mind me using you as an illustration):

@SQUEEKY2, “I believe it is not a good ideal to give undocumented workers driver’s license”.
Rude @Hypocrisy_Central, “Maybe they drive better than you, because they are afraid of getting caught”
Bullying @Hypocrisy_Central, *“Well, if I were a bigot, I would want to deny undocumented workers from driving too, and prevent them an opportunity for the prosperity you wish to horde. What is your driving record like?”

The first statement has some truth in the fact they may not all drive terrible because they know if they get stopped they will get deported maybe, also true is that they might not read English well so they make mistakes when directions are in play such as “yield”, “merge ahead”, etc. The latter statement has nothing but unsubstantiated claims directed to paint @SQUEEKY2 as some bigot and that is his only concern about undocumented drivers on the road, any other concerns notwithstanding.

@Hypocrisy_Central, you have committed several of the line items on your list in the abortion thread today. So yes, perhaps people can behave as bullies on Fluther without realizing it.

@Hypocrisy_Central. It looks like they’ll tell you who they think is being a bully but they’d never admit to being one. :)

@dappled_leaves [..you have committed several of the line items on your list in the abortion threadtoday.
Post it, point it out and we will see if I truly slandered or insulted anyone….

@nutallergy [..It looks like they’ll tell you who they think is being a bully but they’d never admit to being one. :)
No surprise, I hear a lot of talk but I don’t see anyone drawing those pistols they supposedly have in their gun belts. ~~

I am the biggest bully of them all, on Fluther.

Everything I say is an attempt to marginalize my audience by attacking their intelligence! :D

Ahem…. That joke aside, I’d have to say it’s incredibly likely that people behave as bullies, but do not realize it. This is very normal and happens all the time. In person, on the internet… Even in presidential debates.

I’m not really interested in pointing fingers at anyone, but I will say that I’ve felt attacked in a very personal way by some individuals on Fluther. I get the impression, from their responses, that they probably didn’t see their words as bullying… However, it’s also clear that the mods agree with my assessment, as their responses were later moderated. That being said, I’m certain they felt bullied as well, since their responses (which again, they viewed as legitimate and not bullying) were moderated. I’m sure they would view that moderation as being unjust and a form of bullying.

The problem with this question is that it doesn’t have a definitive answer. Everyone defines bullying differently, has some sort of confirmation bias, and varying degrees of “giving-a-bleep-ed-ness” with regards to how others will perceive their behaviours and with regards to how they perceive others’ behaviours.

Ah, however… I did go scan the answers in the abortion thread, since you asked for someone to, “point it out,” for you. Within moments, I came across a response from you that I would consider bullying and that you (by your own definition) clearly acknowledge as bullying… Even if you didn’t realize it.

The response in question wasn’t from today, it was from yesterday, but I feel like being that recent… It’s still relevant.

I purposefully looked for responses from you that met the qualification of not being a response to bullying directed at you (again, using your given definitions of what constitutes bullying and ignoring everything else). Most of the response you posted wasn’t actually bullying… But the quip you threw in at the end was an unjustified marginalization of @Mariah by attacking their intelligence.

In that thread, you posted:
@Mariah Unless you can find a way to make all pregnancies magically wanted, there will be women who don’t want their fetuses, and yes, life is usually harder for the children who are born unwanted.
If one doesn’t want to be shark bitten, or jellyfish stung they don’t go swimming in the ocean (don’t worry, I know it went over your head).

@JoyousLove Within moments, I came across a response from you that I would consider bullying and that you (by your own definition) clearly acknowledge as bullying… Even if you didn’t realize it.
If one or two lines in an ongoing conversation were not said blowing smoke up someone’s butt, then we all are bullies here. It may have not been the nicest thing to say, but I felt if I injecting it would avoid going down stupid street and not realizing what one doesn’t do they cannot have happen to them if it is something they can control 100%. Bullying would have been if I told her she was too stupid to get it or something, I have been told many times there were a lot of things I supposedly did not get. If someone says it to me once, or maybe twice, I might say they were Boorish, if they say it every 5 out of 7 times, then I would call it bullying.

But the quip you threw in at the end was an unjustified marginalization of @Mariah by attacking their intelligence.
You have every right to see it that way. Even smart people fail to understand things, to merely say “you missed it”, is far short of saying “you are too stupid to….”, or even that one believe in a ”Sky Daddy” as to say they believe in make believe things, that goes further than just missing the understanding in something, but has been said, I guess it is how one takes something, though somethings are far more clear.

@Hypocrisy_Central: I feel like some things need to be clarified… That was @Mariah’s first response to the question. So I assume that (primarily) @Mariah was responding to the question. Your question didn’t have anything to do with whether or not the pregnant woman should have been having sex if she hadn’t desired a child, but rather dealt with the ramifications of knowing that the pregnancy resulting in one’s life would have negative impacts on one’s self esteem. @Mariah’s response was a fairly succinct answer that reflected @Mariah’s opinion (I assume). You responded by saying a couple analogies (that I assume were intended) to demonstrate why pregnant women shouldn’t have had sex, if they didn’t want to get pregnant… An argument not presented, mentioned, or even really related to your root question… And then you told @Mariah, “don’t worry, I know it went over your head.”

You know…
Don’t worry.

That thing I didn’t write?

I know you didn’t read it.

But I feel like the tone of your response… The intention, with that quip, was to imply something negative. I think it’s funny that you would make a straw-man and then insult someone else’s intelligence.

Anyways, I’m not interested in arguing about this, I just wanted to present my observations, because… Well… I feel obliged to.

Peace and long life. I left a series of responses in the abortion thread in question. Feel free to respond to those at your leisure.

As many stated in the similar question I asked recently, many bullies never realise they are those. It is plausible there are some here. Probably every Jelly here had a moment of being unnecessery vile.

No, they’re perfectly aware of what they’re doing. They just rationalize it to themselves. I’ve made an entire career of fighting bullies and I can tell you that no one makes themselves the villain in their own narrative. They’re fully cognizant that they’re trying to intimidate, but tell themselves that they’re doing it for “the greater good.” It usually starts by dehumanizing whoever it is they want to bully, using black-or-white-thinking to convince themselves that whoever they hate is ultimate evil. After that it’s simple for them to just keep digging in.

The way you can recognize a bully is by the elaborate cognitive distortions they use to portray everything about their targets as negative. Every word, every act by their target becomes an outrageous offence which requires avenging. It’s the only way they can justify their actions. And if you point it out to them, their evasion structure kicks in and you get what amounts to “I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I” where they portray themselves as the victim and the person they’re bullying as the aggressor. But on an unconscious level they’re still aware of the reality of what they’re doing, which is the neurotic engine which provides the rage which keeps the machinery running.

Physical bullies. Emotional bullies. Intellectual bullies. Take your pick. There are bullies of all sorts out there.

I find it hard to believe that physical bullies don’t know they are bullies, but I do believe that not all non-physical bullies realize they are bullies. Doesn’t make any of it desirable or acceptable. Best practice for me is to avoid those people if possible.

@Hypocrisy_Central I didn’t say you are a bully. I said that according to your own definition you are a bully. But whatever, here’s what I found in five minutes of searching. (It took me longer to type this up than it took to find all of it).

Name calling, even if latent of veiled.
• You have called women who look like this “Blimpina, or Barblard.”
• You have equated being heavyset to having a physical deformity.
• You regularly refer to large women as “whales,” sometimes even twice in one answer.

Marginalizing someone by attacking their intelligence.
• You call people who disagree with your opinions, even if they back their view up with statistics, are stupid.
• Anyone who doesn’t agree with you has been bamboozled by the devil.
• When people ask for clarification of your word salads, you condescend to them with talk of putting the cookies on a lower shelf.

Marginalizing someone by attacking their morality.
• Your incessant degradation of women for sexual behavior.
• Your insistence that atheists think of themselves as gods.
• Any time you use the phrase “in a world that is just the world” or imply that atheists cannot have morals. (This one is more of an extended campaign of insinuation than any single instance.)

Attacking their worth as a human.
• See previous points about slut-shaming and obesity.

Attempted censoring of their comments.
• This one nobody can know without the mods weighing in. I doubt we can get their input without your permission, though.

Lying on them.
• Assuming you mean “lying about them,” here is just one recent instance of you lying about what someone said (called out here#quip3299054).

Attacking their credibility by twisting and misrepresenting what they said.
• Again, you were just called out on this here.
• All of the “atheists are their own god” stuff is misrepresentation, too.

Simple slandering.
• You can’t slander someone in a text-based forum because slander is always spoken. What you probably mean is “libel.” There are probably no unmoderated comments on Fluther that rise to the level of something worth calling libel. But if you have a really low bar for what libel is, plenty of what I’ve already pointed to counts.

@SmashTheState The irony of your response is staggering. I know I’m an aggressive person. Surely you know that you are, too. But has it really escaped you that you’ve just given an impeccable description of your own behavior on Fluther?

@Patton I was well aware when I wrote it what the reaction here would be. In fact, I predicted it.

Name calling, even if latent of veiled.
• You have called women who look like this “Blimpina, or Barblard.”
• You have equated being heavyset to having a physical deformity.
• You regularly refer to large women as “whales,” sometimes even twice in one answer.

^To be fair I don’t see where he called a user any of these names.

@Patton: You said exactly what I was going to write. @SmashTheState is “the pot calling the kettle black.”

Nah, I’m done.

@nutallergy: While I didn’t see anything related to the second instance you questioned, I did find the comment made about ‘Blimpina’ and “Barblard”, and I also found the whale comment (it was conveniently linked to in the response you’re referring to). These comments were (as you correctly pointed out) not describing any particular Fluther user. So I would agree that these are not instances of him bullying a Fluther user without realizing it. However, HC was not being accused of bullying a Fluther user… These were examples that show how (by HC’s own definitions) the term “bully” could be applied to HC. In a general sense. Which I feel like the comments in question function very well as evidence for.

Implying that the “curvy barbie” should be called “Blimpina” or “Barblard” instead is a definite attack against overweight people. Sure, there were no living people directly implicated in the comment, but what you can infer from this comment is that namecalling someone who is fat is acceptable.. Because they’re fat. Does that make sense?

And again, HC may not have pointed fingers at any individual jellie.. Or even any particular overweight woman. However what was done instead was referencing overweight women using terms like, “Shamu,” (that killer whale from Seaworld) and descriptions of chubbychasers as being welcome to “Captain Ahab” (hunt a whale) away.

The assertion being made by the original response to this question, where whether HC was a bully was called into question, is that by HC’s definition of a bully, HC’s own behaviour indicates that bullies do exist on Fluther, even if the bullier doesn’t recognize themselves as such.

I saw a couple other comments, while reading through those two threads, which I would also quantify as bullying… But I’ll let that go, for the moment. And don’t get me wrong, here! HC i hardly the only person who engages in bullying! In fact, I would submit that HC is actually the victim of bullying frequently on Fluther… However, I would also submit that the reason HC is victimized like this has a lot to do with the way HC presents nonsensical arguments, dismisses others’ arguments, and generally ignores or manipulates facts that don’t support what HC is trying to rationalize. I mean there are other reasons for it, too… But those are a few of the big reasons. Not to say that the bullying on either side is okay, just to point what the mechanisms causing it to happen.

@Patton You have called women who look like this “Blimpina, or Barblard.”
Who here was called that? If it is some generic woman out there, who was bullied?

You regularly refer to large women as “whales,” sometimes even twice in one answer.
Again, statement of generic women, who here, or what person you can name was called this or had it directed specifically to them?

To suggest that the murder of a developing human will keep some women from being poor is about as STUPID as saying the best way to curb crime is to give everyone a mansion and a Bentley; so utterly stupid it is beyond stupid… To say something stupid was said is just that, a stupid saying. Where in there did you see me say anyone did not believe that was stupid? It was more in the line of The belief that people couldn’t understand that we came from apes. That was strange to me. It’s not like we’re supposed to come from spiders.~ If I wanted to take ownership of the ”generic people” then I could be offended, but it was not directed to me so, water off the back of a duck. When it ascends to Alright, you’re just digging your own grave with your responses so I’m not going to bother arguing. Hey, guys, HC thinks children can consent to sex. it becomes something more, I was named, and I what was said was a bold-faced lie. It is easy to walk from the restroom and see a man just smack the dog shit out of another man and assume the punchers was a violent man, but you missed the one who got punched flinging peas on the guy who punched him and cease to quit when repeatedly asked. But anyone had the right to frame the events off what they saw disregarding there might be more they actually missed.

The guy who gets the flag is usually not the guy that threw the elbow 1st but the one responded, who the ref usually sees.

@JoyousLove However, I would also submit that the reason HC is victimized like this has a lot to do with the way HC presents nonsensical arguments, dismisses others’ arguments, and generally ignores or manipulates facts that don’t support what HC is trying to rationalize.
That is just the thing; I can play on whatever side of the road people chose to play on. When the rules they want to play by goes against them, or slays their sacred cows, they get nasty and insulting, because they have no better ammo. They are not going to admit to reasoning that goes against them on the right side of the street, when it is the same reasoning they want to use on the left side, just that the left side of the street is the only place they wish to use it.

@Hypocrisy_Central

Are you saying you didn’t write this post?

@Seek Are you saying you didn’t write this post?
Sure I wrote that post, but are you forgetting the context of the conversation, someone made the statement that children cannot consent to sex, where that is the legal standing, I was illustrating what actually happens does not adhere to what the legal standards are. Think when you see the meal advertise on the outside of the box of a microwave dinner and when you cook it, the packaging always look better. Seeing you conveniently forgot, let me remind you, I have said the only proper sexual relations is between one man with one woman married, you do recall me saying that, and more than once, right? I was using reasoning from the construct from the side of the street you and others want to play on.

BUT, if you see anywhere in there where I said it was OK for adults to have sex with children please point it out directly, I am sure you misunderstood something.

There’s a whole thread talking about me as if I’m not here, but I’m the bully.

K.

You and me both, Mariah.

But I don’t give a fuck. He’s given as good as he’s gotten from me and more.

You, @Hypocrisy_Central were not accused of saying it’s “ok” for adults to have sex with children. You’re accused of saying children can consent to sex. Which you did.

And then you whined about it. Multiple times on several different threads.

If you don’t want to be accused of saying disgusting things, don’t say disgusting things. Shouldn’t be that hard.

^^ You’re accused of saying children can consent to sex. Which you did.
My friend and Brother (is who was the subject, or had you forgotten) said he initiated the acts, so how could he not agree to something he purposed to do. If you just want to stick with the legal definition and not what can actually happen in the world, I will get by bushel and we can be in the dark under it. If you believe my friend and Brother is lying you have not spoken with him to know if he is or not, do you?

If any part of a truth is disgusting to you, that is on you, the truth is not peaches and cream all of the time.

So, are you going to apologise to @Mariah for calling her a liar, or what?

Oh @Patton you rock. You are my hero. I literally stood up and clapped.

@Seek*So, are you going to apologise to @Mariah for calling her a liar, or what?*
In spite of her premise “Digging your own grave”, which to me denotes some negative, it tends to make me think it was not merely a true statement of fact but some attempt to frame me as one supporting children to have sex with adults. Even though she was off context, she was not lying, my apologies, but the attempted slander is still shamefully wrong.

I can bet no one would ever retract on the lies and misinformation they have said, and will do in the future surely.

@Hypocrisy_Central: That didn’t really make sense to me. Could you please not bother putting the cookies on a lower shelf, but instead throw them out and use new ingredients? I’m pretty sure you mixed up the recipe wrong, here. I don’t want cookies made out of confusing ingredients.

That being said, I’d like to rebut your response to Patton just here. You don’t have to have an individual target to be bullying or engaged in bully-like behaviour… Or to be a bully. Making those comments about curvy Barbie shows that you have no problem making fun of larger women for their weight… By calling them names (something which as you defined it would make you a bully). Further, when you refer to larger women as, “Shamu,” and chubbychasers as being like, “Captain Ahab,” the implication is that you are calling larger women whales. You can bully an entire group of people, without picking out one specific person. I could give examples, but my mind immediately leaps to some extreme examples and I don’t want to be offensive.

Also, please keep in mind that what Patton actually said was, “According to your own definition, you are a bully. Did you realize that? If not, then the answer to your question is ‘yes, it is plausible some on Fluther are bullies but don’t realize it.’”

In fact, as I look back on your question and the details therein, I don’t notice you saying that you were only asking about people on Fluther who bully other Jellies… Or any one in particular… In fact, you’re vague enough to include people who “act like bullies.” Even when you define bullying in your response, you don’t mention that you’re only talking bullying that happens to anyone on Fluther.

Anyways, I suppose I’m done here. I hope you enjoy my response. Have a lovely rest of your whatever time of day it is for you.

@JoyousLove You don’t have to have an individual target to be bullying or engaged in bully-like behaviour…
In your world maybe that is the way. In the context of my question there is none unless it has a target. That would be light having a fight with no opponent, how can there be a physical altercation if you are the only one swinging into the air?

By calling them names (something which as you defined it would make you a bully)
By your misinterpretation of what I meant, if there was a specific person that was being said to, then it would. By how you try to frame it, if a person said ”All women are only good enough for me to f***” to a friend on the street corner, he would be sexually harassing every woman, even those who never even heard it, good luck selling that in court.

Also, please keep in mind that what Patton actually said was,..]
Again, if my context was misunderstood, then the response would be flawed, as that one was.

Even when you define bullying in your response, you don’t mention that you’re only talking bullying that happens to anyone on Fluther.
Should I have to? This is in meta, and what is this category for? If people can realize that or get it and I tell them I will simplify it (which you indicate I have for some) by telling them I will put the cookies on the lower shelf I am in the wrong but if that is what I have to do because they cannot reason well enough to fill in the blanks without me spoon-feeding them every detail and incident we are dealing with and how? If I say too little they get lost, if I say too much I am leading the question so they cannot make what they feel is an honest answer; or not, I am lost to what to do unless I ask them to ask the question for me the way they want to ask it, then why even bother.

Wow. What a bully.

@Hypocrisy_Central:
In your world maybe that is the way. In the context of my question there is none unless it has a target. That would be light having a fight with no opponent, how can there be a physical altercation if you are the only one swinging into the air?
I didn’t say that you didn’t have any target, I said you didn’t have an individual target. In the case of the comments you made, you were targeting a group of people. You can certainly have an altercation with a group, rather than an individual. But also, shadowboxing is definitely a thing that exists (if primarily for training purposes).

By your misinterpretation of what I meant, if there was a specific person that was being said to, then it would. By how you try to frame it, if a person said ”All women are only good enough for me to f***” to a friend on the street corner, he would be sexually harassing every woman, even those who never even heard it, good luck selling that in court.
It is possible that I did not get what you meant, but I seriously would disagree if you are trying to say that I misunderstood what you said, and I also don’t think that there has to be an individual target (person that was being said to) for it to be quantified as bullying. I didn’t write your question, its details, nor your definition of what bullying is. You did. Additionally, sexual harassment, as defined by the EEOC is, “Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature.” They go on to list several things that this includes, such as, “Sexual comments.” So you see… Even the friend would have the option of calling such a statement sexual harassment. I do feel like it’s important to note, though, that sexual harassment (as it is defined around the world, near as I can tell) is something that explicitly involves a workplace setting.
Again, if my context was misunderstood, then the response would be flawed, as that one was.
I’m sorry, but what context was misunderstood…? All your details say is, “It is said that schoolyard or workplace bullies do not realize or acknowledge they are bullies or they bully anyone, that being said, is it plausible some here on Fluther bully people or act like bullies but don’t realize that is what they do?” And again… We’ve been keeping to examples of your bullying that occur on Fluther, which is the only actual context that you provide. I get the feeling we didn’t misunderstand anything… It is possible that you failed to include that stipulation, when you meant to, though. That’s no one else’s fault.

Should I have to? This is in meta, and what is this category for? If people can realize that or get it and I tell them I will simplify it (which you indicate I have for some) by telling them I will put the cookies on the lower shelf I am in the wrong but if that is what I have to do because they cannot reason well enough to fill in the blanks without me spoon-feeding them every detail and incident we are dealing with and how? If I say too little they get lost, if I say too much I am leading the question so they cannot make what they feel is an honest answer; or not, I am lost to what to do unless I ask them to ask the question for me the way they want to ask it, then why even bother.
Since the context provided was not the complete context you claim to have meant to provide, then yes… You should have to. Yes, this is meta and you asked about bullying that happens on Fluther (which fits the boundaries of meta). People responded by referencing instances of bullying that occur on Fluther. I’m sorry, but… I don’t see where you expected anything to have worked out differently than it did. If you didn’t provide the full context, no one is going to answer in a way that satisfies you. If you did provide the full context, then the answers do satisfy the requirements that you’ve listed. If you’re trying to add additional stipulations to the context after-the-fact, of course the answers aren’t going to make sense anymore. What I would suggest you do, in the future (as if you want my advice), is perhaps write your question into notepad first. Read it a few times, fleshing out the details and making sure that the context that you intend to provide is actually in the details. Try to provide objective details in order to prevent people from thinking you’re leading the question (e.g. instead of describing item a with positive adjectives and item b with negative adjectives and then asking the Jellies to choose between them, try to use more objective adjectives… Like… Instead of, “lustrous hair,” perhaps just. “red hair.” I dunno… Just a thought. Only you can decide how to word your questions, but if you want people to not think you are leading the question, you should try to avoid language that sounds like you are leading the question).

Other question-attacks on Jellies that I can easily recognize:
http://www.fluther.com/195948/if-a-child-learned-hisher-mother-thought-of-himher-while-in/
http://www.fluther.com/195899/over-the-years-how-many-believers-have-been-ran-off-of/
http://www.fluther.com/195587/will-you-squander-your-extended-lurve-or-use-it-judiciously/
http://www.fluther.com/195366/are-some-people-subconsciously-threatened-by-logic/
http://www.fluther.com/195301/with-all-this-lurve-bestowing-from-the-repairing-of-broken-codes/
http://www.fluther.com/194882/blast-from-the-past-are-the-mods-of-fluther-more-like/
http://www.fluther.com/194037/better-modding-in-the-past-or-too-few-mods-working-now/

That’s four pages into his questions…

Also, that was a piss-poor attempt at an apology. Mariah deserves better.

<swoon>

I’m crawling out of my hole to defend HC. I usually delete my account when I get fed up with this site but I just logged out this time, and will log out when I’m done with this.

I consider both seek and HC friends. I pm both. Both provide helpful contributions to this site. That’s some fucked up shit to say to HC though, seek.

I logged out because of shit like this. People who go around and antagonize those they disagree with. I’m so sick of the condescending bullying behavior. You only see the things you don’t like about the people you disagree with. Keep up the bullying behavior and this site is going to become a dull echo chamber. HC and Smash provide excellent answers to questions that have nothing to do with this site or religiion, but some of you glob onto those two topics and then tell these users how worthless they are. It’s disgusting. They deserve to be here just like the rest of you.

I’m not the only person who is sick of this and I’m not the only person who values the contributions of these two.

I’m out.

@jonsblond, while I do honestly appreciate your annoyance as stated, please point out to us (well, me, because you have reprimanded me personally) where you have ever chided either one of those users for being “not nice” to us?

IMO . Pretty much all of us could be lumped in here as bullies at one time or another given the OP’s definition.

I would like to apologize to all for my role, or to any who have felt bullied by me.

I’m sorry.

@jonsblond He asked the question. He can’t call everybody else a bully and then not expect to be called on it.

But hi, this is the internet. Nice to meet you. It’s a wild place out here.

I feel that regarding @SmashTheState, he does make some good contributions but then comes on here and says hostile things to us, name calling and other negativity and then refers to us as “bullies.” Even his profile page has some nasty stuff about us on it. When he gets called on it, which happens often, he gets upset (as written above and on other threads by multiple Jellies).

@rarebear. I have a screenshot of seeks vile personal attack where at the end she said she hopes he burns in hell. Want to see it? I’ve never seen anything that nasty coming from HC or Smash. Yes, he asked the question. The difference between HC and others is that HE doesn’t go to other people’s questions and say nasty things about the person asking. He only defends himself. These people can’t leave him alone. They always say “it’s just the internet so you need thick skin” but when it comes to HC they get their panties in a bunch and can’t take their own advice.

If you have any further comments directed towards me you can message me at fb. I’m seriously done with this filth her. I am logging out. I have no desire wasting my time with toxic people.

I have a screenshot, too.

I stand by what I said. He’s vile.

Can’t we all just ~expletive deleted~ and get along? :D

@JoyousLove No. It appears that’s impossible.

@JoyousLove . It’s the nature of the beast here. This thread could be perceived as a forest fire.

It is cleansing, in a way. And is a collectively introspective mirror. Or should be used as such.

Expression of frustration is naturally going to occur in a debate forum , when discussing topics jellies are passionate about.

There are many thick, but incredibly interesting skulls here.

Some enjoy the fight.

It is what it is.

^^ I was teasing… I hardly expect the whole world to ~expletive deleted~ and get along… Because that’s not how things work. Also I don’t think that ~expletive deleted~ causes people to get along any better or worse. It was meant to be a sort of palate cleansing light-hearted joke.

But thank you for your thoughtful response~ :)

@jonsblond “If you have any further comments directed towards me you can message me at fb. I’m seriously done with this filth her. I am logging out. I have no desire wasting my time with toxic people.”

No, I’m not going to message you at FB. If you think everybody who you don’t like is “filth” as you say, then yes, you had better log out. Have a nice day.

@canidmajor […where you have ever chided either one of those users for being “not nice” to us?
Well, if I showed up and for no reason that I did not like the question or whatever, called someone stupid, tell them they need to be put down like a rabid dog, insinuated they were a heinous criminal, or something, she might have reason to say. If a person keeps getting peas flicked at him and then decides to put a stop to it by going to the person flicking the peas and throws coffee in their face, his seemingly not nice actions was a reaction to the action of the one who got the coffee toss on them.

@Rarebear He can’t call everybody else a bully and then not expect to be called on it.
People can say anything, they can believe it too, but they can’t find anyone who got cyber slapped or pounced on that did not come around spoiling for a fight. Even in defense if I get testy with people I don’t stoop to gutter insults, as accustomed by a few here.

@jonsblond These people can’t leave him alone. They always say “it’s just the internet so you need thick skin” but when it comes to HC they get their panties in a bunch and can’t take their own advice.
They want an echo chamber, in spite of what their mouths say, they want to all be able to agree on what is asked, said, and thought, and if you go outside the lanes…..well, we see what happens. They should take their own advice and ignore what I say if they believe it so farfetched, or whatever. It must have some power if they cannot stay away from it but is drawn like a feline to catnip, I see many of threads by people I think are silly or worthless, and guess what, you don’t see me on them, even if it is from those who take no qualms in setting themselves up as opposition to me.

@Hypocrisy_Central, my question was directly addressed to @jonsblond, I was hoping she could give me a specific instance of where she has done this, not a response from you. I don’t think that because she defends you, you can accurately answer to her actions or motives (unless, of course, you can cite specific instances where she has done what I asked about?)
It was a specific question of a specific user. Do you now speak for @jonsblond?

I think I just rolled my eyes so hard they popped out of my head.

Poor, abused, innocent HC. Everyone, all together…

“Awwwwwwww”

^ Me no play coz you didn’t say “after 3…” :(

^^Grade school bullying right there. Just how old are you seek?

Yes, HC can speak for me @canidmajor because I only came here to defend him, not to spend my day with useless back of forth with the rest of you. Easy to attack people when you hide behind a new anonymous account eh? Why don’t you tell everyone who you really are.

I came back because my ears were ringing. I will not address anyone else so go ahead and respond with attacks to get your great answers. I won’t be wasting anymore of my precious life here.

How many posts in a row now have you said you’re not responding to anyone?

I mean, seriously.

Seek beat me to it.

Sorry HC. I can’t go along with your diagnosis of chronic bullying as a defining characteristic of our “happy home”. Until recently, I admired your pluck in the prolific production of questions and the stimulation of lengthy hotly discussed threads. I made the mistake of assuming that this was what you had in mind. I also erred in believing you were prepared to take the sharp retorts one should expect when extolling views on womens’ issues fashionable in the 18th century. My problem is that I am now pretty much in league with the other bullies. I no longer trust my objectivity when it comes to you. These conversations suspiciously resemble not so veiled attempts at baiting the women, and I confess to a mild satisfaction with watching you get slapped around. This isn’t the first complaint from you about being picked on. And I suppose your objections are a handy reminder for us to keep things civil. I’m pretty much convinced that your “persecution” here is more about the fact that the positions you advocate receive sharp, loud and speedy rebuttal. I do understand how the appearance of so many of us “piling on” might well resemble bullying of a sort, but the stuff you put out here is worthy of all the scorn and ridicule that can be brought to bear upon it. But that’s just my opinion.

I guess I just wish jellies would take each thread q ,or response kind of fresh, with less bias.

Some start shooting a thread down without even addressing the question. Others seem to go right after HC’s stuff from other threads. Purity of the thread ,to me ,is important.

I’ve heard something about HC and pedophilia in several threads. Completely unrelated to pedophilia.

It would be different, to me, if he constantly talked about pedophile stuff, but usually I just see him defending a position from another thread.

I think @Hypocrisy_Central does get bullied here. At least ,more than most.

I’ve mentioned on several threads ,that I wish jellies were lighter on him. I know his questions can seem inflammatory, or like a trap. But I’ve always taken them seriously, and he’s never done anything but defend his position. If he’s playing the long game, I must be to stupid to notice.

Until the day he PMs me about converting to his religion, I love him as a jelly. He keeps us from getting too uppity as atheists.

He reminds me there are people passionate about things,for reasons different than mine.

He makes me try and see through his prism. Something most times I don’t agree with, but he attempts to explain why he feels such ways.

His powerful personality is required to bring balance to Fluther . His opposing view points make for interesting conversation. And some GQ’s.

I’m looking forward to his next ‘world of tomorrowland,’ type questions.

I guess I just wish jellies would take each thread q ,or response kind of fresh, with less bias.

When you’ve gotten basically the same poison from the same fountain for over ten years, it’s a bit hard to be objective.

I have nowhere near your experience, or clout on this site @Seek . I love you as a jelly too.

However. Objectivity is the sign of a functioning flutherite . I will try and be objective to others responses, and question. And of course, sometimes I will be too overcome with emotion to fulfill that obligation to each thread, but I will make a conscious attempt.

I was really mean to @SmashTheState a few weeks ago. Since then I’ve PMd and publicly apologized for it. Doesn’t mean I will get, or deserve forgiveness from him.

But at least I try and not fire off on him right away. I think twice before I hit the answer button. That’s helped me to hopefully be a more productive member of Fluther.

Oh yeah @Seek . It may be meaningless to you, but I bet HC prays for you. Even though I don’t believe he’s talking to anyone, that’s something.

Peace n love

@canidmajor It was a specific question of a specific user. Do you now speak for @jonsblond?
So other Flutheronians can speak for an apology for another Flutheronian when it had nothing to do with them, but to clarify a real point I can’t mention it? Good thing we have selective advocacy here.

@jonsblond Grade school bullying right there.
I have learned here a long time ago, when a Flutheronian runs out of debate ammo, they result to snide, insulting, or abusive remarks to try and gain points back.

@stanleybmanly I made the mistake of assuming that this was what you had in mind. I also erred in believing you were prepared to take the sharp retorts one should expect when extolling views on womens’ issues fashionable in the 18th century
If I put something out there (using secular reasoning for the most part) I am expecting some push back, I want to someone to make the case for what they stand for, but is it too much to expect them to do it civilly and remain that way?

These conversations suspiciously resemble not so veiled attempts at baiting the women, and I confess to a mild satisfaction with watching you get slapped around.
I am not the one getting slapped around for I do not need to result to insults to try and get points back or try to get even. If someone said something cutting about men with beards, if you don’t have a beard or if you know your beard is cool, tight, and great, the statements won’t bother you. If you have a beard and you feel it is inadequate, the statement bothers you. Maybe they feel the need to say something because they feel marginalized by society because they were born female, or maybe they have a subconscious resentment of being born female, I don’t know, if it bothers them, it is on them to let it or not.

This isn’t the first complaint from you about being picked on.
Tell, me, if over the course of 18 months (being generous here), I referred to you as someone needing to roast in hell, a bigot, homophobe (in your case maybe a Chritaphobe), delusional, immature, evil, vile, needing to be treated like a rabid dog and put down, etc. would you feel I was edifying you or patting you on the back or slamming you? And what if I had a posse of saints joining in doing the same, would you believe we were wishing you well and preparing a feast in your honor?

@MrGrimm888 I’ve heard something about HC and pedophilia in several threads. Completely unrelated to pedophilia.
They only want their reasoning to go one-way, or how they want to frame it, when you show it can go in directions they do not like or support positions they think are nasty they try to label and slander a person to discredit them.

I’ve mentioned on several threads, that I wish jellies were lighter on him. I know his questions can seem inflammatory, or like a trap. But I’ve always taken them seriously, and he’s never done anything but defend his position. If he’s playing the long game, I must be to stupid to notice.
I was once told, if you believe every one of your coworkers are your enemy trying to stab you in the back, you will find plenty of them where you work. If people see any question as a trap it is because they went in looking for one, then try to salad bar choose items to support their notion that it was a trap. What have I to do but defend the question, the idea or thought against contamination and hijacking? I have said again, and I will say it here now, there is no game involved, but those who merely want an echo chamber they will think that.

Until the day he PMs me about converting to his religion, I love him as a jelly.
I do not try to convert anyone, I just give them the truth as I know it to give them a fighting chance, why they get so upset is a mystery to me. Have you noticed, even if I speak on things that are not about faith or being Believer, people still get the wedgie between their cheeks?

He makes me try and see through his prism. Something most times I don’t agree with, but he attempts to explain why he feels such ways.
Which is one of the reason I have not skipped out of here (not caring if the echo chamber felt they won) because unlike some, you are not so stubborn as to get upset when someone points out a direction that maybe you have not seen, and we do not always agree, but we seemed to always disagree civilly, at least to me.

His opposing view points make for interesting conversation. And some GQ’s.
Only if you are outside of the echo chamber……

It may be meaningless to you, but I bet HC prays for you.
I certainly do as well as the others whom in my believe have been blinded, I have to pray for them even more while there is still breath in their lungs. :-)

@Seek When you’ve gotten basically the same poison from the same fountain for over ten years, it’s a bit hard to be objective.
You can lead a Jelly to the lagoon but you can’t make them swim. If the water is that poisonous, to keep drinking it, and drinking it expecting a different result, don’t they call that insanity? If the water give one a sour stomach maybe they should stop drinking it, there is plenty of Kool-Aid fluff here to quench one’s thirst with.

Apparently, according to her, you do speak for @jonsblond. Enjoy the privilege.

^ @Seek tries to speak for others, I hope you have the same sentiments for her as well, to not be hypocritical…..

I am conceding the point @Hypocrisy_Central, take it with a little grace.

Heh. Impossible.

Bullies are all over the place. Even in our homes, sometimes I feel like a bully to my boyfriend who is quite passive. I don’t often realize I am doing it until afterward. I think some know they are bullies, some are just obnoxious, like me.

For someone who rails so hard against the ‘Politically Correct’ attitudes, one sure does get sensitive when their feelings are bruised… and so easily, too. Suck it up, Buttercup.

Persecution complex?

Well, it looks like we got an answer. If @Hypocrisy_Central‘s definition of “bully” is correct, then some bullies (e.g., him) do not realize they are bullies.

@SmashTheState You made a prediction about what the reaction would be, but that prediction was wrong. You said you’d get an “I know you are, but what am I?” reaction. Instead, you got “I am, and so are you” (which I did on purpose to see if you would notice). Ignoring what I actually wrote and using that ignorance to dismiss my response is exactly the sort of self-protecting cognitive distortion you ascribed to everyone else.

@Hypocrisy_Central When a racist says all black people are unintelligent, he is calling you unintelligent even if he doesn’t mention you by name. That’s how categorical terms work. So when you describe women who are shaped a certain way as “Blimpina” or “Barblard” or “whales,” you call everyone on the site who is shaped like that “Blimpina” or “Barblard” even if you don’t list them all one by one. That’s how words work. And I know you understand this because you even asked a whole question about it when it was other people talking about a group you belong to this way. But since you could only find objections to two of the fifteen examples I provided, I think I’ve made my point.

@Patton If @Hypocrisy_Central‘s definition of “bully” is correct, then some bullies (e.g., him) do not realize they are bullies.
There was a crucial part missing in the definition, but I did not think I needed to toss bread crumbs right to the door step of it, to bully one needs a victim. When I clarified that fact, which alters what people believe I think a bully is from what I actually see as a bully, they still ignore it. So, part of your answer is wrong from the start because you started off wrong.

When a racist says all black people are unintelligent, he is calling you unintelligent even if he doesn’t mention you by name.
He might be, but one can be a racist and not be a bully, and one can bully without being a racist. I may feel a victim of his racism by the comment, but I cannot say he did a hate crime, or that he bullied me because neither did we have an up close encounter, he doesn’t even know him; for that fact, I do not know him either, I just know of him.

So when you describe women who are shaped a certain way as “Blimpina” or “Barblard” or “whales,” you call everyone on the site who is shaped like that “Blimpina” or “Barblard” even if you don’t list them all one by one.
If I used any of those terms to generically refer to obese women, if any on Fluther are actually obese, I don’t know it. If they are and they claim it to be offended, then there must be some truth to it. I have been called a homophobe, misogynistic, and worse. This was to me directly. Generically Believers have been called homophobes on this site for years, I need not see those generic comments as bullying me, I more see it as lying slanders, which I would iterate, is not me, and certainly not true of Believers. If they are size 27 and they know it, then however anyone brings it up, they can’t be in denial, if they are upset, then they probably know it more than any, but just ignore the fact which is why they let the situation continue. Would they do as much if people spoke of them smelling malodorous? I bet they would make changes for that.

But since you could only find objections to two of the fifteen examples I provided, I think I’ve made my point.
If it is not true or there is little truth in it, it is what it is, because I don’t except what is not true or misunderstood, there is nothing more to make of it other than I did not buy it for its inaccuracy.

@Hypocrisy_Central I did not think I needed to toss bread crumbs right to the door step of it

Oh, look. It’s another one of those inane catchphrases that you spout off when you have nothing meaningful to say.

to bully one needs a victim.

Yes, you need a victim. You know what you don’t need? A target. The difference is that a target is intentional, while a victim can be collateral damage. Just because you aren’t naming people specifically doesn’t mean that no one who is reading your words gets hurt by them. You have plenty of victims even if you don’t have targets.

So, part of your answer is wrong from the start because you started off wrong.

My answer isn’t wrong even if we incorporate your lame attempt at redefining yourself out of trouble. Bullying can be unintentional. Sometimes negligence does more damage than overt hostility.

He might be, but one can be a racist and not be a bully, and one can bully without being a racist.

It was an analogy. I never said that all racists are bullies or that all bullies are racists. I was pointing out that you don’t have to name someone to talk about them, the same way you don’t have to target someone to victimize them.

I may feel a victim of his racism by the comment, but I cannot say he did a hate crime

That is completely irrelevant because a hate crime requires an actual crime to be committed. Talking is not a crime.

or that he bullied me because neither did we have an up close encounter

No. This is what you keep missing. You can say he bullied you because you are still a victim. A victim is not the same thing as a target. Also, racists usually do intend to victimize the race that they disparage. They don’t just say racist things in public to get applause from other racists. If that was all they wanted, they’d do it in the safety of a private place where other people couldn’t hear them.

If I used any of those terms to generically refer to obese women, if any on Fluther are actually obese, I don’t know it.

It doesn’t matter whether you know it or not.

If they are and they claim it to be offended, then there must be some truth to it.

Nonsense. When someone in my country calls someone else a kike, I don’t get offended because I think the person really is a kike. I don’t think anyone is a kike. I think there are Jews, but I don’t think there are any kikes. That’s because the word “kike” implies more than what the word “Jew” implies. “Kike” means that they are not just Jewish, but that they are bad because they are Jewish (which further implies that there is something bad about being Jewish). When you call someone Blimpina, you aren’t just saying that they are fat. You are saying that there is something wrong with being fat, and therefore something wrong with fat people. That’s how pejorative terms work. And while you can pretend not to know that, we’ll all know that is a lie. Because there is no point in using a pejorative term unless you are trying convey the negative connotations they imply.

I have been called a homophobe, misogynistic, and worse.

That’s because you are a homophobe, a misogynist, and worse.

@Patton Well, since you're calling me a bully, I know you are nearly depleted of any ammo you can use. I have never had a debate or even an argument (if that is what YOU want to call it) where the winning party resulted to insults, that usually happens when someone is trying to get points back and trying to sound greater than they have accomplished by using insults.

Just because you aren’t naming people specifically doesn’t mean that no one who is reading your words gets hurt by them. You have plenty of victims even if you don’t have targets.
Since this is about the only thing pertaining to the OQ out of all of that gobbledygook, I will deal with it. By that I guess we best wrap everyone in marshmallows~~ everyone can be the target of someone if they claim or identify with it. I can say anyone who votes Hilary is no better than a pedophilic rapist, or anyone who votes Trump is a whopping idiot that is not worth the brown goo that slipped from their mamma’s butt cheeks and left a brown stain on the carpet, neither statement will mean ANYTHING unless you want to identify yourself to them, then they become hurtful to you because they bruise the ego, if you don’t care, especially if they are not directing it squarely at you there is no POWER IN IT.

You can say he bullied you because you are still a victim. A victim is not the same thing as a target.
Indirect slights or out in the general air be they targeted, or not, call it bullying or not is irrelevant. If whatever is not directed solely to injure, malign, harm etc. a specific person or people not just merely hurt their ego, that is bullying. I have never seen any bullying that wasn’t personal.

So. The answer is yes?

neither statement will mean ANYTHING unless you want to identify yourself to them, then they become hurtful to you because they bruise the ego, if you don’t care, especially if they are not directing it squarely at you there is no POWER IN IT.

So I can trust since you’ve established that bullying doesn’t exist – because unless someone is choosing to be a victim there’s no problem – we’ll never see another question like this because I or another Jelly hurt your pretty, precious feelings by calling you what you are in no sugarcoated (or marshmallow wrapped) terms?

Yes, @MrGrimm888… The answer is yes. Don’t worry about all these long and rambling arguments :) Your evaluation is accurate.

@Seek: To elaborate on the point you just made… And hopefully drive the point home, I’ll make the following statement:

Ugh… People who ask questions on Fluther… They’re Floobs! (Floobs: Amalgamation of Flutherite and boobs [The insult, not the body part])

Disclaimer: I don’t actually think this. It’s just an example. And yes, it’s a silly example… But I like to keep people laughing. It is the best medicine.

@Seek So I can trust since you’ve established that bullying doesn’t exist …]
Show me where I said bullying doesn’t exist? Either you have a very hard time listening, reading, or understanding things or you just manufacture lies for useless Atta boys.

[..we’ll never see another question like this because I or another Jelly hurt your pretty, precious feelings by calling you what you are in no sugarcoated (or marshmallow wrapped) terms?
I wish I would let my feelings be hurt by some redacted here. I guess if I did I would have been ran off like others have by the shark triple up tactics. I only correct bold faced, manufactured, maniacal lies, to seem smart or get patted on the bad by same change people.

@Seek by his own standards, @Hypocrisy_Central is choosing to be a victim of bullying. He just thinks he should be able to pick and choose for other people when someone should feel bullied or not.

You do get piled on, but again, it is impossible to read your stuff objectively and avoid concluding that you are baiting the women. Initially I thought you might be poking your pitchfork in the gals to wake this place up. I actually admired you for having the hide to withstand the rain of rounds you call down upon yourself It’s disappointing to find you now protesting your “supposed” victimization. My viewpoint is surely biased, but it appears to me that there is a marked tendency on your part to conflate the wall of disagreement on your positions as “being picked on.” This place is loaded up with folks whose views skew left of sentiments fashionable in the 1880s. I personally feel that the rarity of folks here sympathetic to your views renders you extremely valuable to the site, but your take on being persecuted is wasted on we with the whips. Why not follow the example of Jesus. Suck it up and pray for us. As Jesus told his dad. “Give em a break. They’re just doin their jobs.”

This thread is quite circular.

I know you are but what am I?

At least I’m honest. I don’t like the guy, I think he’s an awful human being, and I treat him accordingly.

Does that make me a bad person? Probably. Whatever. I’ve been called worse.

Try to avoid taking him personally. He’s one of us, and the dissonance probably is good for us. He is clearly in no hurry to see this thread melt away, and someone is always there to accommodate him. Where’s the harm?

@stanleybmanly I actually admired you for having the hide to withstand the rain of rounds you call down upon yourself It’s disappointing to find you now protesting your “supposed” victimization.
I wish I would be a victim of any bully on Fluther (some admittedly so), if I felt that IWOULD HAVE BEEN RAN OFF like others in the past. I KNOW WHO I AM, and no lies from any of the …… ”talking heads” (let’s put it that way politely) will get me to think differently.

My viewpoint is surely biased, but it appears to me that there is a marked tendency on your part to conflate the wall of disagreement on your positions as “being picked on.’
Let’s investigate that statement just on points, if you were a woman in a male dominated workplace, and no matter what you did or when, the males at the joint criticized your work, even when you did things the way they did them, they would still find a way to say it was not right, and on top of that make comments clearly leveled at you which could not be construed any other way as being the only female in the join, would you say they were just being objective, using their free speech, or on the attack? I don’t mind any one debating the facts and debating them hard, but leave it at the facts, if you start to say the facts are wrong because you lie on me as evil, an awful person or worse, expect some pushback. Thank heavens for Christ and the mods or this place might be aflame worse than the legendary stuff they used in Vietnam.

Why not follow the example of Jesus. Suck it up and pray for us.
Believe me; a lot have gotten grace more than they know. In spite of some….talking heads, (again being polite), all of you do get prayed for. I know who duped you even though you don’t admit it or acknowledge it. Even if I have forgiveness, it never said let lies and such stand when you do not have to.

He’s one of us, and the dissonance probably is good for us.
Just for admitting if not acquiescing the fact I am here, I have to Atta boy that.

He is clearly in no hurry to see this thread melt away, and someone is always there to accommodate him. Where’s the harm?
I have not found the ”kill switch” or I might have 86th this thread once I seen no one wanted to address the subject but make it all about me. But….I guess some need threads like this to vent because they are frustrated over sorry conditions in their lives which they can do nothing about so they can blow some steam here.

@Seek I don’t like the guy, I think he’s an awful human being, and I treat him accordingly.
Guess we have proof positive some flunked the ”Golden Rule”, that is supposed to be universal and innate to every man, or the secular ”golden Rule” is feeble next to hate….which then has to be a choice. Happy to give you at least one reason to get up and login here, so you have at least something to rail against to make your day. ~~~

Maybe it is just my drug addled mind but I seriously don’t understand what is being said here: “I wish I would be a victim of any bully on Fluther (some admittedly so), if I felt that IWOULD HAVE BEEN RAN OFF like others in the past.”

Are you saying you were never bullied but you wish you were? Are you saying you wish we had run you off? I truly might just be confused. I am on a lot of meds right now.

^ Are you saying you were never bullied but you wish you were? Are you saying you wish we had run you off? I truly might just be confused. I am on a lot of meds right now.
No, it was said in the same light as one would say of someone who ripped them off, but was thinking of asking for a loan, and the person ripped off say ”I wish he/she would ask me for a loan, I would give them a piece of my mind”; in short, the person would get zilch. Short of my physical health being threatened no one will bully me from anywhere.

So that’s settled. He’s not a bully and he’s not being bullied.

Bullies do not exist on Fluther.

QED.

Now, who wants a beer?

^ Bullies do not exist on Fluther.
They do, they just do not work on me….they prevailed against others, to keep you from another lie.

@Mariah Excellent point. I too have trouble following some of the pronouncements, but I suspect there’s something pathological going on here.

^ [..but I suspect there’s something pathological going on here.
I guess the neurotic do recognize their traits, or find it even where it never exist. ~~

If others felt like they were victims, than by your own statements that was their own problem.