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Why did Hillary lose the election?

Asked by Cruiser (40421points) November 9th, 2016

I ask this seriously, but posted in Social because I can’t think of a serious reason why she lost and why I ask this question.

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LuckyGuy's avatar

I looked at some state results. In several states the Johnson and Stein protest vote was way more than enough to clinch it for Clinton. I wonder how many Sanders supporters did that because they just could not stomach voting for Hilary.

josie's avatar

In my opinion it was because…
She had the stain of corruption
She was a shrill guilt tripper
She projected an air of entitlement to power
Donald Trump was a true alternative, for better or worse, to the perceived undesirable status quo.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

She is just not seen as being genuine and trustworthy.

kritiper's avatar

People in general don’t like all of this gay liberation crap.
People in general want that wall.
People in general are sick and tired of Obama and his supposed “legacy.” Enough already!
Obamacare is broken. It was from the start because it had fatal flaws that no-one wanted to talk about or deal with. (Like uncontrolled drug, medical, insurance costs and the pure greed that went with them.)
Maybe it is time we had a business man in the White House. I said that when Ross Perot was running for president. Trump is different than Perot. Time will tell if Mr. Trump will be our shining savior or a monkey wrench.
I have only three more words to add: BUILD THAT WALL!

gondwanalon's avatar

Mrs. Clinton lost because of her history and MO.

cinnamonk's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me and Donald “Grab Them By the Pussy” Trump is?

DominicY's avatar

Clinton is currently winning the popular vote. Will be crazy if she ends up winning it in the end. Although not much came of that in 2000. Just seems to be something we accept as a possibility every now and then.

But I agree that Clinton’s image as the status quo president probably hurt her the most. It’s a reason why Jeb had a terrible result in the primary.

ucme's avatar

Because she didn’t hit 270 ;-}
I’m glad she lost, primarily because the historical honour that comes with being your first female president is something she’s entirely underserving of.
Be patient America, that accolade will go, in time, to Michelle Obama…dare to dream.

cazzie's avatar

I will continue to place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of third party voting.

filmfann's avatar

The vanilla pick of Kaine for Veep didn’t help. She should have gone with an exciting pick, like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie.

Bitter Bernie supporters.

The Comey intrusion.

Kellyanne Conway got Trump to stop his midnight tweets for the last 10 days.

In 1972, Shirley Chisholm said she had more opposition to her candidacy for President because she was a woman, rather than her being black.

ragingloli's avatar

She took it for granted that she would win.
Like everyone else who claimed that Trump could never ever possibly win.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Like it or not, for better or worse Trump tapped into deep-seeded frustrations with “business-as-usual” in a way that perhaps no presidential candidate since Franklin Delano Roosevelt has. I also think the third party and protest vote had an effect. As did Clinton’s unremarkable choice of running mate. Had she tapped Warren or Sanders, instead of “who the fuck is” Tim Kaine, we’d likely be looking at a different outcome right now.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Kaine vs Pence this was what likely turned it around. Pence I actually liked and so do most conservatives I know.

janbb's avatar

This excerpt from a piece by Michael Moore makes the most sense to me:

“Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:

• Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November.”

cazzie's avatar

@janbb America threw that Molotov cocktail right in the middle of their government. Now, they either have to be happy as they watch it burn or find a way to put it out before it burns the whole fucking place down.

janbb's avatar

@cazzie I don’t disagree.

jca's avatar

I think a good part of America did not like having a black President. Many of these are the same people who would not like working for a black boss or a woman boss. I think a good part of America would also not like having a woman President. Of course, it was not based solely on her being a woman, but I think many just wanted the old guard (meaning old white guys) back in power, as has been the case constantly prior to Obama.

All these people who voted for him I don’t want to hear complaining when he abolishes unions, the minimum wage, etc.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

^^That is not what happened.

LostInParadise's avatar

Keep in mind that this was a pretty close election in terms of number of votes. It looks as if Clinton is going end up with about 1 or 2 percent more votes.

kritiper's avatar

@jca I don’t think you’re entirely correct, but I don’t think you’re entirely wrong either. GA.

MooCows's avatar

Lied…cheated and stole to name only a few sins that the whole world knew about!

rem1981's avatar

She belongs in jail, that’s why she didn’t win.

cinnamonk's avatar

And yet the probable child rapist doesn’t.

cazzie's avatar

Some people love to believe lies because it makes them feel so back-room smart.

jca's avatar

Hillary won the popular vote. Let’s give her credit where credit is due.

Cruiser's avatar

@jca Trump won the electoral vote and that is all that mattered. Hillary lost because she underestimated the 8 years of suffering of the middle class and their patience to endure anymore of a do nothing Congress. Voters kicked the bums out and are hopeful their message of electing Trump will wake up a complacent Congress. Trump spoke to these disenfranchised voters and heard their cries for attention and help while Hillary virtually ignored these people. Trump rode the 3rd rail of things that mattered to many voters….Hillary coasted on her vision of her given victory. A very interesting election indeed and many lessons learned. My hope is people will keep an eye on what can be done the next 4 years as opposed to being sore losers like it appears now that 49% of the voters are.

Darth_Algar's avatar


Not quite sure how you can utter “do nothing Congress” and “voters kicked the bums out” is the same breath with a straight face. In most Congressional races the incumbent, where running, won, and the GOP retained control, which they’ve had for years, over both houses of that do nothing Congress.

Cruiser's avatar

@Darth_Algar I said complacent Congress and the message of the vote was meant for establishment politicians in both parties. But in reality Hillary lost because she was uninspiring and untrustworthy so much so that she garnered 6 million less votes than Obama did.

cazzie's avatar

Did you hear the one about the lying informant now pleading guilty of serious fraud that coined the story about the Bengazi lie that lead to those ridiculous hearings? Yeah. He was a fraud and so were his accusations.

Darth_Algar's avatar


The problem with that, however, is that these same people left the establishment fully intact. An anti-establishment vote means dick if the wheels of the establishment are still in place. It’s like slapping on a fresh coat of paint while leaving the mold to fester underneath it.

EDIT: And now Trump’s filling his team full of nice, establishment players who will push him towards nice, establishment policies. Anyone surprised? I’m not.

Cruiser's avatar

@Darth_Algar Intact? Hardly…Obama is soon out the door and Hillary had the door slammed in her face. And now non establishment Trump is at the helm and all the pols you referenced now have to answer to him…just how the voters wanted it to be.

jca's avatar

@Cruiser: The voters didn’t want it to be that way because the voters didn’t elect Trump, the Electoral College did.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@jca but by just a very narrow margin and that pretty much makes the whole thing moot. This is the result of people clinging to their political party on both sides. We went to the polls with nobody to vote for. The only person really fit to lead a place like this is a centrist. Good luck getting people to get together and support a candidate like that. We fucking deserve this because we can’t work together.

Darth_Algar's avatar


Dude, come on…..I know you’re not this obtuse, so why act it? You know as well as anyone that the president can’t do dick without the Congress. And the Congress, was left pretty much as is, full of all those establishment politicians everyone claims to be so frustrated with.

@ARE_you_kidding_me “but by just a very narrow margin and that pretty much makes the whole thing moot.”

That margin is currently 1.8 million votes and growing.

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