If the conservative right is racist, misogynistic, homophobic, authoritarian, and xenophobic, what spin would you make that the liberal left is not debased, lackadaisical, lewd, hedonistic, self-serving, and anarchistic?

Elitist….Educated.

^^ How great that “educated” has become a pejorative in the US. ~

No, I would not.

Racist/not racist
Misogynistic/not misogynistic
Authoritarian/not authoritarian
Xenophobic/not xenophobic

Now I’ve explained how opposites work.

@cookieman The anti-intellectualism of this country is so troubling. In 20 years Americans will be behind in everything.

I would defend my Liberal friends to be loving, passionate, hard working, creative, fun loving great people every bit as important in my life as my conservative friends and in the really close friendships…more so.

@Cruiser I have plenty of liberal and conservative friends and family also. It’s quite a mix and the largest take away is people generally want the same things but have different ways of going about getting there.

@tinyfaery: I find it jarring being in Boston and surrounded by dozens of colleges and universities. I don’t see it here. It is really troubling that it’s more common elsewhere.

What are you man, some kind of dictionary?

He is clearly a liberal.

Wow, that’s quite a stretch!

“After all, the laws of physics says there has to be a balance…”
I hope this is a joke…

@Zaku The Bible says there is only one God, therefore polytheists never existed. Logic is fun.

@Hypocrisy_Central

A better comparison:

The Conservative Right is Pharisees; the Liberal Left is Christ-following.

^ The Conservative Right is Pharisees; the Liberal Left is Christ-following.
No….the Libral Left would be more like the followers of Baal, or worse.

The left has extremists too. But they aren’t as polarizing as the radicals on the right.

The Republicans are lying with ‘nasty hombres’ in this time.

Because “debased”, “lewd”, “hedonistic” and “self serving” are adjectives that apply to the conservative right.

If you take a look at the traits listed you will notice that the conservative faults are all about inflicting harm or hatred on others.

^Like I said, less polarizing. But keep in mind that some on the FAR left WOULD take everyone’s guns away, and that scares some people. Obviously there is a huge difference, but not to the gun huggers/conservatives.

Most people I heard that voted for Trump voted for one reason.

They didn’t like the penalty for not having health insurance.

Or, they didn’t want their guns taken.

Or, they didn’t want gays to get married.

Or, they don’t want abortion to be legal.

Or, they are afraid of immigrants.

Or, some were ‘pro white.’

Pro whites apparently can’t take responsibility for the racist variables in their agendas.

All hail Baal!

Let’s take a look at your adjectives.
What do you mean by debased? That is something that is done to currency.

I would say that self-serving applies more to conservatives. Just watch how Trump is going to reward himself and other rich people with his tax breaks.

Liberals have not cornered the market on lewdness. Just look at Trump.

How can liberals be in favor of big government and also be anarchistic? Conservatives are the ones who want to reduce government.

Lackadaisical and hedonistic are not all that bad, though I am not convinced that they apply more to liberals than to conservatives. Is that the best you can come up with?

@LostInParadise If and when Trumps tax breaks go into effect it will mean I can then afford to hire 2 more employees….2 good paying jobs. Can I ask why is that a bad thing? It will be an enormous stimulus for small businesses like mine.

It’s only a bad thing if it’s at the expense of social programs that help society’s most unfortunate, which is one of the only ways to pay for such a tax break. Of course tax breaks are good for the economy, but the government needs taxes to be able to pay for services, and some people direly need those services. I am one of them. I am not trying to be a free-loader but there is no human way at 24 that I can pay $600,000 of medical bills.

It was pointed to me in the early in the campaign between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Trump was “ME ME ME” including “Trust me”, when caught in a lie.

While Clinton was “We will work together.”

We will see if the ME is only him.

@LostInParadise What do you mean by debased?
You mean you do not know?

@stanleybmanly If you take a look at the traits listed you will notice that the conservative faults are all about inflicting harm or hatred on others.

1857 The party of Twiddle Dee was behind to the Dred Scott decision that said the negro was not human but chattel.

1885 The party of Twiddle Dumb (Republicans) formed in response to the party of Twiddle Dee (Democrats) desire to expand and enslave the Blacks (Negros back then).
Jackass party member Roger B. Taney quotes: _”Blacks have no rights which the white man was bound to respect; the Negro might lawfully and justly be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”

The party of Twiddle Dumb also opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act that sought to spread slavery where it was previously forbidden.

1860 was when the civil rights movement got started, not in the early 60s under that snake oil salesman Johnson, but when the party of Twiddle Dumb got control of both the House and Congress.

The US had a civil war in which many died simply because the party of Twiddle Dee did not want to give up slavery or treat Blacks with equal right.

1865 the party of Twiddle Dumb enacts the 13th amendment abolishing slavery forever; 100% supported by the party of Twiddle Dumb, only 23% by the party of Twiddle Dee.

We can talk about that was the year the KKK was formed as the terrorist arm of the Dems, like the Hamas of the Dem. cause, but we won’t dabble into that much right now.

Their strong-arm was ”Every Democrat must feel honor bound to control the vote of at least one Negro, by intimidation, purchase, keeping him away, or as each individual determines” Is that not code for kill them if you must.

Let’s fast forward to the 60s; 100 years later or so, the party of Twiddle Dee had not changed, they just painted over the same janky horse. The so-called savior of the Blacks and a friend to the minorities said, ”“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference… I’ll have them ni***rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”.

Guess what? It is working….they show up as the Johnny come lately of civil rights and the ”Negroes” are buying it.

If we have to we will take a look at how they really was for women suffrage.

Democrats champion of the Blacks, poor, and women, they certainly are not any better, but hopefully better than their history speaks of them.

@Cruiser

So you get a couple of new employees in the short term, but in the long term Trump’s plan increases the national debt by some $11 trillion. Is that a good thing?

@Darth_Algar Using a crystal ball is not a useful tool for predicting the future. Try applying the principals that Obama pledged to use to erase the national debt that the Bush years created and please explain to me how it more than doubled in the last 8 years.

My 2 new employees will not only pay taxes themselves but they will generate more business for my company, I will then make more profits, line my pockets with more money, and I will pay more taxes to pay for the free shit our government gives away. Sounds like a win win to me.

Again, HC, the parties are not what they were 100+ years ago. It’s actually ridiculous to criticize modern Democrats for 1800’s Democrats, as the modern Republicans are the ones who more closely resemble that viewpoint now.

Bravo Mariah. There’s something about HC’s fixation on attitudes that prevailed in the mid 1800’s when the party of Lincoln was actually the champion of civil rights, and Dixiecrats thought slavery morally superior. The fact that the magnetic poles have reversed is apparently not obvious to those espousing conservative positions. What regressive bigot has ever copped to it?

@Cruiser

That’s about the answer I expected. Funny how “fiscal conservatives” never seem to mind increasing debt when it’s their guy doing it.

@Mariah Again, HC, the parties are not what they were 100+ years ago. It’s actually ridiculous to criticize modern Democrats for 1800’s Democrats, as the modern Republicans are the ones who more closely resemble that viewpoint now.
Oh, this is close enough to be modern history, not centuries ago as some chuckleheads try to use against the church about what happened in the crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition and such, the leadership of most of the party of Twiddle Dee is the same, they stated their agenda, and now it is working, they got people believing they have turned a whole new leaf, and that what Johnson said doesn’t amount to anything. I guess since we are only counting years, the civil rights movement was a great success, people need to stop rioting because ”Black lives matter”, for surely they were not shot because of race, they must have been shot because they were actually doing criminal activities that got them shot.

Racism may be alive and well, but even YOU can’t pretend that things are as dire for black, folks women or any other non white man in America. And you have to be in a coma not to understand which of the 2 parties is wearing out the dog whistle.

Whether he exaggerates or not in his comparisons, HC does make a valid point on racism and the demography in which different races find themselves within a white country. I know they’re not slaves anymore but it’s still bad. In Winnipeg it’s the natives that suffer this fate, I’ve seen it first hand, more than enough, when I lived there.

@Darth_Algar The last “my guy” (Bush) left office with a 10 trillion dollar debt…no…I am not proud of this….8 years later Obama is about to leave office with a 19+ trillion dollar debt. I have a conscience….I am seriously wondering if you do.

Of course minorities still suffer, but it’s the Democrats that want to help them this time around, despite what a history book will tell you about the world 200 years ago.

^ Of course minorities still suffer, but it’s the Democrats that want to help them this time around, despite what a history book will tell you about the world 200 years ago.
But it was not 200 years ago, 1963 or so, and was done only, quote: ”[.. have them ni***rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”. To get the Black vote was the only reason for appearing to care, because before that, Blacks more than not voted Republican.

I don’t know what the high level politicians are doing but your average Joe democratic voter sincerely wants to help minorities, not just their vote. Whatever, think what you want.

@Hypocrisy_Central There are some crucial missing but pertinent facts which flaw your analysis. Republicans did indeed command the loyalty of black folks and quite understandably with Lincoln’s freeing of the slaves, and this was the case overwhelmingly until the arrival of Franklin Roosevelt, whereupon defections occurred among those black folks in the country who were permitted the vote. Honestly HC there are times when I find your backward ass infuriating. No one will remember or give a shit about that “uppity” comment from Johnson, simply due to the magnitude of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the single most significant piece of civil rights legislation since the Magna Carta, which Johnson championed and rammed through deliberately with full knowledge afore that it would cost the Democratic party the loss of the entire “solid South”. Johnson’s behavior was absolutely heroic and an example of the sort of unexpected integrity from a flawed individual that all by itself elevates him to the status of “great President”. You can badmouth the Democratic party all you want, but true to form and just as Johnson predicted, with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, the entirety of the racist and bigoted herd of Southern Dixiecrats switched parties OVERNIGHT to wallow in the transformed Republican muck, where they remain TO THIS VERY DAY, distorting both history and the truth like yourself.

Hell of a story @stanleybmanly Maybe it is just me but I sincerely doubt anyones affiliation with any particular party has anything to do with historical artifacts such as you presented. I was a card carrying Democrat out of college and became a Republican later on and neither was due to heroics by either party of years gone by. I simply identified with the party of the moment that reflected how I felt I wanted our countries leadership to lead. Today and for quite a while now…Congress is so dysfunctional I would not dare hang my hat on either party even if you paid me.

So you believe that the overnight defection of EVERY Southern “yellow dog” democrat except Robert Byrd was a mere coincidence?

Like it or not, your party has the well earned reputation as a haven for whatever racists and bigots remain in the country. Those of you would prefer to believe otherwise are faced with a very rough row to hoe.

ahem @stanleybmanly I am currently not affiliated with any party for good reason…just saying.

touche’