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Has anyone compared Fluther to Askville?

Asked by boxing (1048points) August 6th, 2008

Pros and cons?

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poofandmook's avatar

We’re better. what’s Askville? ;)

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

Not yet, but give me some time. I might move here.

marissa's avatar

I like that there isn’t competition when it comes to answering questions.

jrpowell's avatar

First Answer!!!

edit :: maybe not

EmpressPixie's avatar

P&M, we probably agree with you.

(Also, it seems friendlier)

jaredg's avatar

This site has a jellyfish theme. The other site has Jeff Bezos. Who doesn’t like jellyfish?

boxing's avatar

can I answer my own? this is like a discussion board, no formal answer spots like in AV

KnottyNikki's avatar

So far, I like this place better. It seems like competition is not the main point, people seem more inviting and the layout seems better. I need to play around some more to really get a good feel for it, but first impressions…this place will be my new home.

boxing's avatar

and it is real time, I can see who is composing…

boxing's avatar

Overall, how about quality of answers, this is kind of casual…

willbrawn's avatar

does askville have an iphone brower layout?

boxing's avatar

I never try askville on iphone or any portable devices…

boxing's avatar

this is like a live chat too? or live chat is somewhere else…

jrpowell's avatar

The answers here are actually pretty good. If you have a computer problem someone can probably help. If you need to know about the rash on your leg shilolo can probably help. Problem with your pet and syz is all over it.

EmpressPixie's avatar

Also I LOVE that you can see that someone is crafting a response here.

boxing's avatar

thanks all, I will test the site thoroughly in the next few days.

boxing's avatar

definitely an interesting feature, EP…

boxing's avatar

one thing debatable is the font size, Askville has everything big…

boxing's avatar

and how about topics? will it be a mess just like in Askville?

boxing's avatar

so Fluther was founded just about a year ago…

BonusQuestion's avatar

I am also giving here a chance. Lets see what comes up next!

boxing's avatar

now who are you in Askville? Paradise?

BonusQuestion's avatar

Yes! I made this Fluther account when they first introduced bonus questions on Askville over 2 months ago. Back then I changed my Askville avatar and Askville screen name and then when I first registered here I chose the same screen name :)

dalepetrie's avatar

So far I’m enjoying this. I may have to try answering some non AV related questions I like it so much!

delirium's avatar

I have a feeling that you guys will find that moderation is more strict here, but also quite reasonable. We also have a bit of a no-hard-feelings thing when we get in to heated debates here. (And trust me, i’ve been in quite a few. I’m kind of the poster girl for atheism…)

Expect fluther to also be constantly changing and improving. We have a very active administration team and they keep us updated on what they’re doing.

We love new people, good grammer, and intriguing answers. If anyone has any questions, please, feel free to ask and discuss.

mightymite's avatar

Seems very easy going and friendly here…I just wish you could see when each post was made. Are they working on some kind of time stamp for the answers/posts?

delirium's avatar

We keep calling for it. I’m really hoping it will be implemented soon.

(ERIK, ANDREW, BEN! PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE!) <- they are the gods of fluther.

mightymite's avatar

Oh good…I’m glad it’s not just me. I didn’t want to make any waves my first 24 hours here! Thanks delirium.

delirium's avatar

Never a problem. If you have any questions, just shoot me a PM. I promise, I only bite people who like it. ;)

breedmitch's avatar

I love ya del. I really do, but I’m going to go on record as being against time/date stamps. We need less clutter not more. This site works because of Zen elegance.

poofandmook's avatar

I’m with breedmitch on this one. You have a general idea in minutes, hours, days, months, etc of when it was posted. After it’s that old, you don’t really need to be concerned with it.

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

Boxing, about the font – hold down your control key and press + on your keyboard. Works everywhere (if you don’t have presbyopia now you will, sooner than you’d like to think).

marissa's avatar

I like that you can put a username in the search engine and you can find someone here, with Askville, you can only search questions/topics, not people.

BonusQuestion's avatar

Thanks Ichy! Good advice! :)

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

Marissa, you can do a people search indirectly on Axedville by doing a google site search. You’ll find questions they have asked or answered, and you can get to their profile that way. It sucks that you can’t do that through the site itself, but it’s way down on my list of things that suck there.

E.G. enter site:askville.amazon.cöm IchtheosaurusRex into the Google search box (don’t copy and paste that; I had to use an umlaut o to fool the autoformatter), and you’ll find me. I don’t think it works for discussions, though.

marissa's avatar

Thanks Ich!

boxing's avatar

Oh Ich-Rex I know what you mean, thanks…I did not try it because sometimes it messed up the default layout…but his one is all good.

fabulous's avatar

I just had a look at Askville not impressed. Fluther is soooooo much better and a lot more helpful when you are stuck with something you need help with.

marissa's avatar

Fabulous, those in charge here are so on the ball and helpful, they address things asap, I love that. Askville usually requires a revolt to get a response from the powers that be. I know they are busy and that Askville is larger than Fluther (I think), but still attention needs to be paid to the community.

feistyismad's avatar

hi folks, i am used to askville, but i like this place, if i can figure out what i am doing.

Allie's avatar

feisty: Fluther is pretty easy to figure out. Give yourself some time, play around with it and explore. If you need some help finding something just ask. Welcome to Fluther! =)

feistyismad's avatar

thank you Allie i will, every one has been so nice to all of us and i apreciate it.

marissa's avatar

Here is my comparision, so far:
Ask – you have only 5 answer slots, they are separate from the discussion board and you cannot see what others have posted before you either answer the question or the question closes, unless you opt out of it.
Flu – There are no ‘answer slots’ per say, you can receive an unlimited number of ‘answers’ and members can work together to answer a question by adding to a person’s previous post

Ask – There is a competitive voting system on answers, you can actually be ‘penalized’ by a poor answer rating by losing ‘coins’. The only people that can vote on an answer are the asker and the other four people who answered the question (these are the same people who benefit if the other answers get a lower final rating than them, so, even though it would not be fair, it would benefit them to give the other people answering a lower rating.
Flu – There is no competition amongst those that answer the question, anyone can ‘vote’ by clicking ‘great answer’ and everyone can earn as much ‘lurve’ as the next person.

Ask – There is a ‘best answer’ awarded out of the answers of each question (unless none of the answers qualify) with that person earning extra ‘coins’
Flu – There is no ‘best answer’ award.

Ask – People don’t need to stay on topic on the discussion board, they can use it like a chatroom, since they don’t have one.
Flu – People are expected to stay on topic, there is a chatroom for ‘chatting’.

Ask – You must have the other persons permission to add them to your friends list, however, you can add them to your ‘fave’ list and not only do they not need to give you permission, they don’t even know that you did unless you tell them (which can be abused to ‘stalk’ folks in a negative way)
Flu – You can add anyone to your Fluther (the person you added even get ‘lurve’ for being added to your Fluther) you don’t need their permission. They can see that you added them to your Fluther.

Ask – Has a ‘recent activity’ feature where you can see all recent comments on all questions (even really old ones), including the ones that you are not a part of or haven’t been following.
Flu – You only see recent posts on old questions, if you are following that questions by either clicking the ‘follow’ option on a question or by answering the question (unless you are the one that asked the question)

Ask – You can not search for a particular user through the Askville search engine
Flu – You can search for a particular user through the Fluther search engine

Ask – You can change your username and avatar at any time, every day if you like (which has led to some problems with confusion)
Flu – You can change your avatar, but not your username (at least to the best of my knowledge, correct me if I’m wrong)

Ask – You must refresh the page to see new text (questions, comments, activity, etc)
Flu – Automatically updates the information on the page ( I love this!)

Ask – There are no explainations of how to alter text, you must either ask, already know or experiment to figure it out.
Flu – There is a guide to altering text, right where you need a guide, under the comment box.

Ask – There is no ‘Live Preview’ when posting to the discussion board. You do have the opportunity to preview your questions and answers before you ‘submit’ them.
Flu – There is a ‘Live Preview’ (so I can see how terribly long my answer to this question is becoming)

Ask – If you are following a discussion and you want to know where you left off, you must read back through the posts to see what you have already read.
Flu – They very kindly tell you how many posts have occurred since you last viewed the question you are following, so you know if you need to go back 10 comments or 100 comments.

Ask – They have their discussion board divided into pages, so you tab through pages of a discussion.
Flu – There is one continuous page, you just keep scrolling down.

Ask – They have a ‘time stamp’ so to speak on all the posts, including discussion board posts, so you know if someone posted 5 minutes ago or 2 days ago.
Flu – There isn’t a ‘time stamp’ on answers

Ask – There are no moderators, reports of abuse can take ages for the staff to address, communication from the staff to the community is limited and sporadic.
Flu – There are wonderful moderators, the owners are very involved with the site, action is taken quickly when a problem arises, there is great communication.

Ask – Your friends list is presented as pages of friends that you must tab through to find someone (I think about 10 friends per page)
Flu – You can see all of your friends at a glance on one page.

Ask – You have the option to forward a question to people on your friends list right from the question. It will send a link right to them.
Flu – You need to send a person a pm containing the link to the question that you want them to see.

Ask – You must go to your profile to see any recent activity (pms, new posts to discussions, answers, etc).
Flu – There is a nice little ‘box’ on the top right handside of the webpage that keeps you updated, if there is any activity you might want to know (pms, activity on questions, etc)

Overall, I think that Fluther is more user friendly, especially to newusers. Askville has ‘features’ galore to the point that even many of those familiar with Askville don’t really understand them all, let alone users new to the site. Fluther’s system of asking and answering questions is not competitive, it is all about answering questions because you want to be helpful. Askville’s system promotes competition amongst its users, which can have negative consequences, even if it’s intention is to encourage quality answers.

Mr_M's avatar

You left out one critical difference:

Ask – will suspend you for criticizing the way their “Powers-That-Be” do things. They don’t just suspend you but they’ll give you strikes, too. Askville PTB will make EXTREMELY stupid decisions that will cause people to leave en masse and probably destroy their own site.

Flu (in fact, EVERYPLACE ELSE) Won’t!

marissa's avatar

Hey Mr_M, I didn’t think you read long answers unless you asked the question…lol

Mr_M's avatar

What makes you think I read it all? :)

marissa's avatar

Another difference. Fluther has podcasts, Askville doesn’t.
These guys are fantatic!
http://www.vimeo.com/1250878

Cat's avatar

Great Answer Marissa and to Mr_M you called that one right!

I am liking Fluther more and more each day. I never liked the competition factor, because as in any competition situation there are always the ones that will cheat. It happens in sports, in card games, and in Askville. And it seems to me that the phrase I always lived by “cheaters never prosper” is wrong, when it applies to the situation in AV. Just my two cents

BonusQuestion's avatar

But on the other hand when there is a competition people are more likely to put more time and energy on their answers.

dalepetrie's avatar

BQ, only the people who care about the coins are going to impact their answer due to the competition factor. People who actually care about sharing their opinions and expertise are going to give their best answer because they WANT to. I for one would rather give my great answers here in a format where if they were appreciated I’d get recognition, if they weren’t they could take it or leave it, but I didn’t have this whole sense of “why is that person’s cut and paste answer better than mine that I spent an hour working on?”

Mr_M's avatar

The competition is making Askville answers longer and longer. Because of this, they are getting answered by a non-random sample of the same people, people with a lot of time on their hands (and NOT necessarily the people who KNOW the answers). Busy professional people will shy away from the lengthy Askville answers.

breedmitch's avatar

@marissa: You forgot:
Fluther—Has a tranquil, zen-like layout and appearance.
Ask—The look of it gives me seizures. My eyes! The pain!

dalepetrie's avatar

I would also add -

You don’t have to watch your tongue quite as much here….we can be more free to speak our minds the way people actually speak as long as we’re not over the top hostile/profane, etc.

It’s a younger crowd…perhaps less “literary” in nature but in some ways infinitely more interesting.

Mr_M's avatar

All I want to know is if I can make out here!

dalepetrie's avatar

I haven’t seen any lovely lady chimps here yet, but if I do, I’ll send them your way.

Mr_M's avatar

With tattoos preferred.

bluerose's avatar

I like the structure in askville. here i have to go through tons of posts for finding my answer. Infact separating discussions from answers is a good thing for me ! :)

dalepetrie's avatar

that’s the great thing about it, those who prefer the structure have Askville, those who prefer the free flowing exchange of ideas like Fluther. You’re welcome to Askville.

Cat's avatar

Hi Mr_M – you can make out with me.

no tongue

Mr_M's avatar

If the date/time stamp is too cluttered, I’d like to see the posts numbered so that people can clearly refer to them in later posts.

MrItty's avatar

Here’s another difference: There is a “question asking limit” here on Fluther. I asked three questions today, and there is now this notice at the top of my page:

“Whoa. You’ve reached the question-asking maximum.
You’ll have to wait a few hours to ask any more questions.
We love your enthusiasm!”

Personally, I think a few hours is a little excesive there…

IchtheosaurusRex's avatar

@MrItty – Well, at least you can bitch about it and someone will actually listen. I also think it’s a recently instituted rule. When I started following this site, it seems that they had a problem with excessive postings by a handful of users. They’re overdamping right now, so wait for equillibrium.

boxing's avatar

there is a question asking limit in Askville too, not sure that was changed or not, it was 10 I remember.

jlm11f's avatar

@Mritty – many of our new users like to ask Q after Q after Q. Now this is okay, but usually these are not “quality” Qs. They are more like “Do you like cake?” poll type Qs. We try hard to keep the quality of Qs on Fluther a little higher than that, thus the limit :)

poofandmook's avatar

@PnL: Nothing wrong with a little cake every now and then, though ;)

mightymite's avatar

Did someone say cake?

jlm11f's avatar

hahahaha i agree with both of you. perhaps cake was a bad example…i am just always thinking of it, so unsurprisingly it’s popping up in all my quips :(. mighty – you should still have some left over BIRTHDAY cake right? :D

poofandmook's avatar

actually, I meant “cake” as in the “cake questions”... a little silly lighthearted question is good from time to time… like now, Fluther is inundated with politics and statutory rape debate. So I decided to find out what people wore on their feet :) not as good as cake though :(

MrItty's avatar

PnL: so when does this limit get reset? I’ve still only asked three questions, all of which were yesterday morning, yet the box on the top of my page is still saying:

“Whoa. You’ve reached the question-asking maximum.
You’ll have to wait until tomorrow to ask any more questions.
We love your enthusiasm!”

Yesterday it was telling me “a few hours” I had to wait. Now I have to wait two days?

poofandmook's avatar

@MrItty: Did you try logging out and logging back in again?

MrItty's avatar

poofandmook, yes I just tried that now. Same result.

jlm11f's avatar

@Mritty – it SHOULD be reset by now. it really is supposed to be about 3 hours i think. Let me go investigate…

avvooooooo's avatar

Update: AV has now majorly been farming out old unanswered questions to people who get paid a pittance to answer. In a true case of you get what you pay for, nonsense Google results are now being posted into both real questions as well as bonus questions. The site keeps sliding further and further downhill. Main difference is that if you want an answer that makes any kind of sense, you’re better off here. :)

dalepetrie's avatar

@avvooooooo – Not even kind of a surprise…anything to make money was the mantra over there. That’s why moderation sucked ass, it cost money, better to tell everyone to act like they were at a dinner party with some people they liked and some they didn’t and to just be adults and work it out amongst yourselves, than to step in when a troll came in and took a big dump in the middle of the dinner table. Even the TOS said basically “we own EVERYTHING you post.” If they don’t some day publish a book of the best questions and answers (without compensating any of the people who contributed the content btw), I’ll die of shock.

avvooooooo's avatar

@dalepetrie There was always a strong nonsense ratio when it came to the management and the stellar ideas they come up with, but its pretty far out of hand now. More so than ever before as they try to keep the site afloat. Its a remote possibility that they will change up a little with the “new” management, but I’m not holding my breath. Especially since I’m not supposed to be there any more anyway. >;)

dalepetrie's avatar

I have no desire to even find out…only thing I’d like to know is if there’s ever another opportunity to turn in points/gold/whatever the fuck they are calling it these days for gift cards, I’ll sign in long enough to place my order. I didn’t leave over AV16, that just made me realize some of the inherent flaws in the system and it was basically a learning opportunity for them…I left because a couple weeks later it became clear that they learned nothing from their errors, and that if a blow up like that wasn’t going to bring about needed change, nothing would, so I voluntarily left and let them know why I was never coming back, and indeed, the only times I’ve logged in have been if I’ve gotten PMs and wanted to see who they were from.

BonusQuestion's avatar

With the new changes in Askville they are now more similar than before, IMO…but they have basically killed all discussions because they had no idea how they can clean up the place with some good moderators. It is sad that AV is now ghostville but it’s better than before…at least we have less flame wars…

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