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Do stupid people know they're stupid? And do stupid people recognize other stupid people when they see them?

Asked by Dutchess_III (36038points) January 11th, 2017

I ask this because every Trump supporter on my FB friend’s list (only about 5 people) is stupid. I mean, really stupid. We’re friends for whatever reason, HS or something, so we have fun, but we never have deep conversations like I can have with some.
But when it comes to Trump it’s insane. Can’t they look around and see that the only people who support Trump are stupid people, and perhaps question themselves over that? Or do they not know they are stupid, and do they not recognize stupid people when they interact with them?

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janbb's avatar

In my experience, I suspect they don’t.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I don’t get the impression you’re stupid @Sneki95.

Cruiser's avatar

Not only are Right Wing Trump supporters smart like me….apparently we are better looking too!

janbb's avatar

@Cruiser That is so true! Mwahh!

Sneki95's avatar

@Cruiser Yeah, that woman is steamin’ hot. Hottest grandma ever.

Coloma's avatar

No, I don’t think below average intelligence people really recognize their deficits.
They may recognize they are not as well read or intellectual as some but nobody wants to admit they’re stupid and stupid comes in many forms. I was just laughing to myself yesterday when 2 people I know were both complaining about people they know being hoarders when they both have strong tendencies to hoard themselves. One hoards books and paperwork and the other hoards just stuff in general. I found it exceedingly amusing that neither recognize the same traits in themselves as they were saying of others. I wouldn’t call either of them stupid but they both have the self awareness of a goldfish methinks. haha

Cruiser's avatar

@Sneki95 You should see the picture of the Liberals….too brutal to publish

Coloma's avatar

Well ya know the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, are the most attractive of all. That’s me lol.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I think two people in a relationship, or who are close, know which one is the smartest. I’m pretty sure I know who on here are smarter than me, which means they’re freaking geniuses! ~ ~~~~~~~ << didn’t want y’all to miss the tilde.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Note, the Dunning–Kruger effect is not just “stupid” people, it is most people, over-estimating our expertise in a subject when we know a little bit about that subject.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is

Cruiser's avatar

^^Can you say Hillary Clinton??

linguaphile's avatar

Psychology Today has an article on this topic. I remembered if from some Facebook reposts.

Cruiser's avatar

@linguaphile That article does ZERO to explain why an overwhelming amount of underpaid, out of work rust belt voters voted for Trump instead of Clinton.

“The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed. ”

I know you can’t look me in the eyes and tell me, but how can you explain to me why so many of these voters who are sick and tired of what the last 8 years has made them endure and that they were afforded just 2 choices….another 4 more years of no work, low wages and high costs of health insurance, crappy schools with more empty promises from a corrupt lying career entrenched politician…yadda yadda yadda or a loose cannon businessman who is promising real change for once. Are you trying to tell me that these people who work hard or want to work hard and be paid for their hard work are “stupid”?? Even stupid knew it was a no brainer for all who voted for him.

I know Dutchess says we are all stupid who voted for Trump but I am seeking a more educated explanation here.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I resisted the urge to be extra snarky here. People almost universally overestimate their IQ by 10–20 points or more.

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t think all Trump supporters are stupid.

I know more than one person who think they themselves aren’t very smart, and I think they are way too hard in themselves. They have a lot of knowledge about a lot of things and I see it as more of a self esteem issue.

I do think a lot of not very smart people aren’t aware of how stupid and ignorant they are, but I don’t think they think much about when they are interacting with someone at their same IQ level. I think they often do recognize when they are around really smart people. I think very smart people very much notice the IQ and knowledge level of people they interact with. I think very smart people seek out other people who can keep up so to speak. Not that everyone in their life has to be Mensa, but I think they tend to need a certain amount of interaction where their interests are understood and challenged.

Pandora's avatar

I think it goes way beyond being stupid. It has more with either greed, low self esteem, (blame the other party for all their misery), and finally ignorance. But no. I don’t think they realize their stupidity.
But not all are stupid. Greed blinds people to truth as does low self esteem and ignorance.
I bet the majority of people who hate democrats do so because, either their jobs went away or they feel they are paying too much taxes and it’s going to social programs that they don’t qualify for. They erroneously believe those lost jobs will come back. They will not. Factories that do come back will replace hundreds of jobs with machines that can replace hundreds of workers. Taxes will continue to climb and the ACA (to be renamed Trump Care) may remain after they take out the parts that cost insurance companies the most.
@Coloma That reminds me of one of my daughters friend who complained about his cousin not helping his poor aging aunt around the house and that he was a slob and treated his mom like a servant. Meanwhile, he would do the exact same thing to his own aging mother who held down two jobs while he was unemployed and living with her. I believe my mouth dropped open at how shocked I was. He thought I was in agreement at what a douche his cousin was. I just couldn’t believe how he didn’t see the loaded hypocrisy. I asked him how did he help his mom out and he says he takes care of the dogs. (The one dog was his and two belonged to his brother who he agreed to care for.)

JLeslie's avatar

Just to add a little to my answer, regarding Trump, I think there are two big binding forces in the Republican Party. One, is religious belief. The other is not identifying with the people in the Democratic Party in their immediate locale. If you live in a place where there is a large black population, and they are mostly lower income, and they are mostly Democrats, the white people in the area don’t identify with that group. Group behavior and group mentality is definitely at play.

Fear trumps everything, and fear is used a lot in politics. Put fear in through religion and you will often get a winner, and the republicans have been doing that for years. Doesn’t matter how smart, or what a person’s core values are. If they are afraid they will throw it all in the trash and go for the thing that they believe will calm their anxiety.

Then add in business owners who are fed up with all the hoops and regulations and government firms they have to deal with. I’m really fed up with that shit also. I’m not even talking about money, I’m talking about the worry of filing taxes every month and every quarter and getting a business license for my county and city and filing corporate documents and all that administrative stuff.

Coloma's avatar

@Pandora I know, it’s so weird. The one person was complaining that her MIL had about 25 boxes of Xmas stuff in her garage and that she needed to get rid of a lot of things when her garage is so jam packed with stuff you have to wind your way through rows of crap to get the inside door to the house. haha
Really interesting to observe such a strange lack of awareness.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@Cruiser You have to read the whole article. It does explain throughout why ” overwhelming amount of underpaid, out of work rust belt voters voted for Trump instead of Clinton.”

I’ll just post a couple of excerpts here.

“So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.

By constantly emphasizing existential threat, Trump creates a psychological condition that makes the brain respond positively rather than negatively to bigoted statements and divisive rhetoric.

Cruiser's avatar

Interesting you should point that out @Dutchess_III. Was channel hopping the news channels and I believe Van Jones on MSNBC hosted a Q&A session with former Governor of Washington Christine Gregoire who by the way is a smart very sharp lady. Ms Gregoire made the same comparison between Trumps hammered in you brain rather simple uncomplicated messages compared to way too many blurry messages and policies Clinton was rattling off. Compared to Trump nothing Clinton said ever stuck. Sure you can then argue “see…Trumps message was for stupid people who don’t know they are stupid.

I KNOW I am not stupid, and yes I voted for Trump only because I was too smart to even consider voting the likes of Hillary Clinton to further ruin our country following in Obama’s footsteps.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, yeah. Most Trump supporters couldn’t handle Clinton’s intelligence. They need to hear small words and easy to understand, scary messages.

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