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If Global warming is a hoax as Trump claims, who or what would benefit from orchestrating such a hoax?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (19399points) March 9th, 2017

What would be the goal from such a hoax?

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

THERE is no HOAX because businesses will have short term gains.
EPA will be tanked and “climate change” is made up by the liberal press like NY Times just ask “Cheeto”.

Global warming JUST can’t happen in the USA Trump wont let it happen. ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Zaku's avatar

The theory seems to be that gay space communists who hate our freedom and our way of life are using it as a ploy to weaken America’s gallant businesses and gain political power. Or something. I’d be fascinated to see if anyone has anything remotely resembling an actual answer to this question.

MrGrimm888's avatar

To try and stay pure to the q, I will have to stretch a bit.

Let’s say, the companies that manufacture/sell pollution control equipment… I don’t know.

It’s tough to provide a counter point….. It’s a clear problem. It’ll be more clear when the sea levels rise.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Companies that would be penalized for polluting and companies that depend on ‘dirty’ energy for manufacturing are the ones that are hurt by regulations. These include coal companies, power plants, refineries, steel plants – any place that does heavy manufacturing.

Seek's avatar

It’s a liberal conspiracy to give us cleaner air and water and preserve wildlife at the expense of about 25 people’s offshore back accounts.

Rarebear's avatar

Oil companies

Jaxk's avatar

Al Gore alone has made somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million. Global warming is a major boom to big government advocates as agencies like the EPA take over all aspects of industry. Research grants are given almost exclusively to research projects designed to advance the theory of Global Warming. We’re talking hundreds of Billions of dollars. There are a lot of winners in all this but the big losers are the average citizens as the price of everything escalates to pay for the incredible regulatory burden. Global Warming is and has always been, a fantastic tool for expanding government control.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

But @Jaxk 95% plus of all scientists that have studied global warming say it is a real threat and really should be taken seriously are they all being paid to say so?
So in other words it’s a hoax to prevent big industry from dumping waste into lakes and rivers?
And make them tow the line when it comes to pollution?
Gee that is a hoax I have little problem with.

Jaxk's avatar

If they disagree, their funding dries up. It’s a pretty clear incentive to jump on the bandwagon.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Well if that is true they must be paid to keep quite about any real break throughs on things like cancer, by the big pharmaceutical companies, in chance it could hurt sales on expensive cancer drugs. RIGHT??

Seek's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 – The tin foil hat brigade believes literally that.

Kropotkin's avatar

I suppose if it were the case that global warming were not real, and it’s a genuine hoax—it may be to frighten people.

Frightened people often go into denial about reality and look for authoritarian figures to tell them that everything will be okay. In which case—a hoax global warming would create a denialist and reactionary backlash that suits authoritarian politicians, who would comfort and reassure the frightened people by confidently telling them it’s all a hoax.

But no one on the right-wing is really that smart, so it’s far more likely that it isn’t a hoax, and we’ve genuine concern to address.

I might say it’s a hoax to help overthrow capitalism, since it exposes the irrationality and desctructiveness of an economic system with no ability to price in negative externalities, and puts off long-term sustainability for short-term profit. But we’ve not observed any rational economic response or reform of capitalism for this to be the case.

cazzie's avatar

I know climate scientists and none of them have ever raked in the big bucks. It’s sort of like ‘paid protesters’ It’s not real. Does research cost money? Yep. Do scientists spend their research dollars to boost their own salaries? Nope. They fund research. It takes time and paying post-grads or under-grads very small stipends to work long hours collecting and collating data while they do their own work getting educated.

Oh., don’t get me wrong, there are attention whores among the ranks, but they can’t make millions making their wild claims and their research is eventually proved false because it can’t be duplicated. Only fossil fuel CEOs make crazy claims and rake in millions, personally.

Darth_Algar's avatar

All those wealthy researchers in their Armani lab coats and Versace eye goggles…

Cruiser's avatar

Siemens, GE made gazillions supplying the Wind farms with wind mill parts and turbines. And as @Jaxk pointed out Gore also made tens of millions investing in the companies and industries he promoted his global warming propaganda on…..

Just before leaving public office in 2001, Gore reported assets of less than $2 million; today, his wealth is estimated at $100 million.

Gore charted this path by returning to his longtime passion — clean energy. He benefited from a powerful resume and a constellation of friends in the investment world and in Washington. And four years ago, his portfolio aligned smoothly with the agenda of an incoming administration and its plan to spend billions in stimulus funds on alternative energy.

The recovering politician was pushing the right cause at the perfect time.

Fourteen green-tech firms in which Gore invested received or directly benefited from more than $2.5 billion in loans, grants and tax breaks, part of President Obama’s historic push to seed a U.S. renewable-energy industry with public money.

Kropotkin's avatar

@Cruiser @Jaxk

High status former politicians inevitably have a lot of lucrative business and work opportunies. It’s unfortunately the way of the world, but I don’t see why Gore should be singled out for this.

Gore could have made his money in any number of ways, but instead went into environmentalism and green energy. It would make no sense to orchestrate such an elaborate hoax just to profit from a specific growing sector, when the same and even better money making opportunities are also available in any number of other sectors.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Great answer @Kropotkin and I agree.^^^

cazzie's avatar

@Cruiser Right, wind farm magnates…. gosh…. I saw that on the cover of Forbes… (not).

Cruiser's avatar

@Kropotkin profits are all snake oil salesmen think about and willfully peddle their “wares” to the gullible to reap their profits. If you are so on board with what Gore has sowed and profited from…why are you not stinking rich too?

Cruiser's avatar

@cazzie….stop staring at Forbes ads and take a deeper look at reality. I can’t fault you from not knowing the push and shove of the real world others like me live. My biz depends on specific feed streams of chemicals that surprise are needed to produce copiuos amounts of polymers for wind farm blades and towers. This caused shortages of raw materials I needed for my production and when I read that there is a modicum of info that is the reason for my struggles is some how related to faux science and political ass play…do not be surprised when I expose it for scrutiny.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Gore could have made much more money by simply hitching his wagon to fossil fuels. He may have eventually profited some from his green endeavors, but it would be an odd way to chase profit. Uphill,through some of the most powerful companies in the world?....

That seems more like conspiracy theory…

Compare what Gore made to what people who had similar investment in things like oil.

An unknown Saudi prince just made more as I type this,than what Gore makes in a month. Because of oil revenue.

To say that he invented/misrepresented all this evidence, and fought so many hard battles, just for profit, is pretty far fetched…

Gore wasn’t president material, but he did care about the environment. I wish other politicians, and citizens did to. Those who oppose the scientific facts about global warming are doing so out of greed,or ignorance…

Kropotkin's avatar

@Cruiser Gore hasn’t sowed anything. Climate science goes back to the mid 1800s—unless you think Gore is a time traveller too.

That he’s profited from global warming in some way is irrelevant. As I already explained, he could have made fortunes in any number of ways—even larger sums.

And he can get rich because he’s a famous former vice-president and presidential candidate. He has a high social status and has the connections and the sort of perceived social value that allows him to make millions.

With the right sort of status, one doesn’t even have to be talented—here in the UK, our former Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, has just taken a £650,000 per annum job where he gives “advice” for just 48 days in a year. This is one of the most inept Chancellors in recent history, whose academic qualification is a mediocre history degree, and his previous work experience before entering politics was as a towel folder in a department store.

As for Gore—I pay him no attention. He’s not a scientist. It’s quite a nonsensical conspiracy though, to invent climate change as a pretext to make money, when there already numerous and better money-making opportunities in existence for anyone with enough capital and/or connections.

Darth_Algar's avatar

The hang up with Al Gore is fucking hilarious.

Cruiser's avatar

@Kropotkin…promoting companies you know are poised to reap yuge profits and then investing or doubling down on companies you are already invested in is called insider trading and a major felony. No one even Buffet could turn 2 mil into 100 mil in 15 years without more than a few insider maneuvers. Seriously…I hope you are more aware than your last answer paints you as.

Kropotkin's avatar

@Cruiser There’s no need for an elaborate scientific hoax for any of that.

Cruiser's avatar

@Kropotkin…sad part is it was not an elaborate ruse…at least not to someone with ¼ of a brain. Why Trump was elected Prez…people are on to the shit on a shingle establiment pols still think they can serve to who they once assumed were their gullible faithful. Keep assuming this to be the case…and Trump will rule the roost until 2024.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Oh he will be impeached long before then when they prove he is indeed in bed with the Russians @Cruiser .
Just wait and see, he will make Nixon look like Mr Dressup when the shit hits the fan.

Cruiser's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 don’t hold your breath…if you do…I know CPR…butt do not expect mouth to mouth ;)

Kropotkin's avatar

@Cruiser I’ve honestly no idea what any of that meant.

Cruiser's avatar

@Kropotkin…not surprised in the least

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Cruiser‘s rules he wins, just can’t get the polymers.

Don’t use facts; they just confuse @Cruiser.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Like it, or not, I think @Cruiser is right about the impeachment. It’s not likely, no matter what Trump does…

Cruiser's avatar

If you do not wake up nippleheads….Trump will grab any and all pussy he wants for the next EIGHT years. No one is more afraid of this prospect than Paul Ryan. PAY ATTENTION!!!!

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