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What will be the consequences of pulling out of Paris climate deal announced by Trump today?

Asked by imrainmaker (8380points) June 1st, 2017

It’s only Syria, Nicaragua and USA who won’t be part of this deal after 2020.

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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Nothing. We are allready too late to save the human race from climate change.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Boycotts. It’s going to hurt US exporters hard.

kritiper's avatar

Climate change, and it’s effects, will be accelerated.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

I hope states and cities, like Pittsburgh, will decide to live up to the terms of the Paris Climate Agreement and to informally overrule Trump’s idiocy.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1

The consequences go beyond just environmental concerns and will have a detrimental effect on the US. For all his talk of making America great again Donald Trump has, thus far, done a tremendous job of undermining the nation.

Here’s one take on it.

Here is another.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

The UK, France and Germany will ban import of “polluted goods from the Trump-land aka USA!
Trump wont have to worry about those imported bad cars from BMW or being able to sell anything to anyone except Nicaragua and Syria – - – YEEK !

Zaku's avatar

Hopefully, the other signers of the Paris Climate Accord will be much more able to get things done without obstruction from the corporate-corrupted and man-child-led USA, and will rightly do what’s needed without their membership.

johnpowell's avatar

I thought the jokes about Angela Merkel being the leader of the free world were hyperbolic. Today Trump proved me wrong.

I welcome our European overlords. Please no Hitler shit this time around.

Earthbound_Misfit's avatar

Looks like my hope is coming true according to this article.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

@Earthbound_Misfit Trump may have reached lame duck status in record time. The world will ignore him and move on while he holds his breath and shakes his little hands in anger.

johnpowell's avatar

Here is the part that hurts. This wasn’t a deal. There was no penalty for not doing what you said you were going to do.

There was absolutely no punishment for not keeping the goal you set. And this is all it was.. Goals.. Internal goals.

No fines.. No punishment. Just shame for not keeping your promise. It was peer pressure on a global scale.

So when Trump says he wanted a better deal there was no better deal. He can rewrite the deal himself. Nothing was stopping from shifting numbers and nobody would have cared.

imrainmaker's avatar

@Earthbound_Misfit – That’s a great news..!!

Yellowdog's avatar

Seems like the U.S. was the only ones bound by anything,

India and China, the worlds main polluters, wouldn’t have to do anything under this deal.
The U.S. would pay Three Billion to India.
The U.S. would have to reduce its greenhouse gasses 23 percent by next year—even though we are not main offenders in polluting the earth. We actually have regulations.

China is expected to pass the U.S. in its economy next year—but our own economy would be crippled by stipulations which other nations don’t have.

Americans would be heavily taxed for gasoline and electricity and this money would go to third world countries (billions)—supposedly for the development of ‘green’ technology.

We don’t need to subsidize the world when our own infrastructure, law enforcement, education, etc. is in decline. It is widely supported by the American Left, however, because most Americans are unfamiliar with it and Trump opposed it.

As far as the “little man” comment—Trump isn’t making these decisions alone. He lets appointed and elected officials do their jobs, This bill does not really help climate change and does defer a large portion of our economy to places that pollute and have no obligationps.

Yes—the U.S. would have committed hundreds of billions to places that pollute, profit, and agree to nothing

johnpowell's avatar

Yellowdog….

This is such obvious bullshit you need to back it up.

The U.S. would have to reduce its greenhouse gasses 23 percent by next year

BACK THIS CLAIM UP

Darth_Algar's avatar

He won’t. Trumpeters never do.

ragingloli's avatar

What I would like to see is the world uniting and hitting the colonies with economic sanctions, like a 50% polluter tax on all imports from the colonies. But unfortunately there is a severe lack of balls.

flutherother's avatar

The first consequence now the US is no longer on board is that global temperatures will rise somewhat faster than they would have done.

Another consequence is that the US appears unreliable and not willing to honour agreements it has made. It also appears to the world that the United States has little understanding of the problems facing the planet and prefers to support its own narrow business interests instead.

Increasingly people will wonder for what purpose the United States extends its formidable and costly military power to so many unfortunate countries of the world. Are these purposes really benign?

LostInParadise's avatar

The U.S. is losing what has been called soft power. It used to be looked up to when former European colonies were gaining their independence. As the U.S. adopts an isolationist and authoritarian stance, its isolationism will cut two ways. The U.S. reluctance to form pacts with other nations will be matched by a willingness by other nations to act independently of the U.S. One small indication of this has been the decline in tourism

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

We lose the moral highground in a political charade. Most countries in this deal have no intention of living up to it. Last I checked we were still shutting down coal fired power plants left and right. There was no real reason to pull out except to protest for one reason or another.

imrainmaker's avatar

It’s done to fulfill his election promises. Couldn’t do much on internal matters so need to show on foreign policy matters.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Apparently it’s only the blockhead promises, that Big Orange can fulfill. He’s managed to cut the school lunch programs and enhance pollution. What a turkey!

ragingloli's avatar

“america” first… over the cliff.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The man is an insult to common sense.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Just as it is in the sexual world, pulling out early is no guarantee that you won’t impregnate your girlfriend.

So it is with the Paris accord. We may be pulling out, but the seeds of the environmental movement have already been implanted and are beginning to grow.

Therefore, the actual effect of the US pulling out is relatively small. The publicity effect is larger.

Darth_Algar's avatar

The man who’s never been trustworthy about keeping his word has now shown the world that the United States cannot be trusted to keep its word.

kritiper's avatar

He was a national laughing stock: he has now gone international.
He is the ONE: Our National Embarrassment.

ragingloli's avatar

@kritiper
He has been an international laughing stock from day 1.

josie's avatar

An act of defiance that will frustrate and anger the World Government advocates, who simply cannot achieve their goals of economically defeating the US without the US’s own cooperation.

ragingloli's avatar

Just like WW2 was Hitler’s act of defiance against the “world government’s” attempt at economically destroying Germany with the Versailles Treaty.

gorillapaws's avatar

@josie Reaganomics and neoliberal Democrats have done that job beautifully. See this chart.

There are 3x more jobs in the renewable energy industry than the coal industry
. This will kill jobs.

ragingloli's avatar

Here is an idea:
Maybe the world should circumvent this fake so-called president and deal with the states directly.
Since the cons have a hardon for “states’ rights” and hate the centralised power of washington, they should have no problems with this whatsoever.

ragingloli's avatar

Here is an idea:
Maybe the world should circumvent this fake so-called president and deal with the states directly.
Since the cons have a hardon for “states’ rights” and hate the centralised power of washington, they should have no problems with this whatsoever.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Several of the large cities in the USA are doing that @ragingloli !

He is just trying to impress his rich mogul buddies. Then he is going to have his sons invest more money in the “dirty businesses” he is releasing to pollute.

Yellowdog's avatar

My source was an NPR article titled U.S. Promises to Cut Greenhouse Gases up to 28 percent by 29 percent by 2025. It was dated March 31, 2015.

The U.S. is the main sponsor in this deal. China pledged but committed nothing. We will be paying billions to China and India, the main polluters, They will supposedly use this money to develop “green” technology alternatives. They don’t have anything thus far.

No privileged American could bear living in these places for health and living conditions, and their living conditions are why their economies are so poor. We will be only subsidizing the same-old same-old

flutherother's avatar

@Yellowdog China is on track to meet or even exceed its Copenhagen climate pledge, which was to reduce its carbon intensity by 40–45% below 2005 levels by 2020. China is responsible for over half of the world’s energy conservation efforts over the past two decades.

China hs also pledged 20 billion RMB ($3.1 billion USD) to help developing countries address climate change. I don’t know where you got the idea the US is paying billions to China.

The important point however is that all the countries of the world are endeavouring to meet their “pledges” with the exception of Trump led America.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Yellowdog

Nothing in the Paris Accord is legally binding for any nation. It’s a pledge made in good faith, not a contract, and Donald Trump has just announced to the world that the good faith of the United States is worthless.

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