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Why are Nazis marginalized and reviled, even illegal, but Communists are legit?

Asked by josie (30934points) June 20th, 2017

Stéphane Courtois, a former communist, and later a defender of democracy and human rights, estimates that Nazis murdered about 25 million people, and Communists have murdered about 100 million people.
Nobody in their right mind would imagine that they could be considered sane or legitimate if they called themselves a dedicated Nazi.
Communists still evoke a certain curious empathy among the Western intellectual elites.
What is that all about about?

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flutherother's avatar

Communists believe everyone is equal and has an equal right to benefit from the wealth society produces. Nazis do not believe everyone is equal. They believe some people shouldn’t even be alive.

josie's avatar

So that mitigates a higher murder rate?

Mimishu1995's avatar

What @flutherother said, plus communism was the winner.

If communism was truly designed to be evil, at least they were more subtle about it.

DominicY's avatar

It’s not about body count, it’s about what the ideology stands for. Communism has a history of becoming extremely tyrannical and ineffective and causing deaths. But there’s nothing in the idea of communism itself that states “mass murder must occur”. It’s not quite the same for Naziism. It’s possible for there to be a communist society without mass murder. It isn’t possible for a Nazi state to exist without it, as “ethnic cleansing” seems to be a Nazi principle.

Zaku's avatar

Nazism is a reference to Nazi Germany specifically, and the retarded and/or crazy violent assholes who espouse something similar happening in modern countries, despite what we know about it in hindsight. They’re white supremacist types, who fantasize about killing non-whites and Jews and staging a government takeover, and in practice also sometimes threaten and beat up and possibly kill people.

Communism is an ideology that has an enormous number of variants and is about throwing out capitalism in favor of something different. There are some forms of communism that include ideas about violent revolution, but in general if someone says they’re a communist, they’re about wanting economy to be better for people, and they aren’t about to punch you or kill you or even threaten you, unlike many neo-Nazis put near non-white people.

The Soviet communists were involved in the deaths of millions of people, but that had much more to do with revolution and war and paranoid Czar-like leadership and the culture and situation in the USSR than it did with communism per se.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Most communists attribute those deaths to individuals exploiting the great flaw with communism. Those monstrous numbers at the hands of people like Stalin or Pol Pot result from the fact that once all power is centered in the state, the process is readily susceptible to dictatorship. Marx’s idealized dictatorship of the people is transformed into a dictatorship of the individual, and this occurs with such consistency, that the process cannot be dismissed as mere flukes to the established ideal. In every instance, those wielding what amounts to absolute power defend the necessity of their aggrandizement (with some justification) as the only feasible check on those seeking the overthrow of the state, counterrevolutionaries, and of course the despised capitalists. Though both Nazis and communists are responsible for the deaths of untold millions, the obvious difference is that such horrors are fundamental to Nazi ideology. The communist deaths on the other hand are achieved through corruption and outright distortion of the fundamental ideology. The key thing for us on the ground to notice about both systems, and our own as well (despite supposedly lofty protections to the contrary) the thing common to all 3 is that the requirements of the state invariably supercede the welfare of the individual. In real life, that maxim bends to define the plight of the AVERAGE individual. You don’t want to be one of those.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Communism is a political movement Nazis were a political regime. Any political regime can become tyrannical and some political movements provide more fertile ground for tyranny than others, communism being one of them.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I dispute the notion that communists are not marginalized and reviled

zenvelo's avatar

Nazi victims were enemies of the regime.

Communist victims were enemies of the Proletariat.

But Communists were reviled and abhored in the United states from 1918 until 1939, and again from 1945 until the fall of the Soviet Union and quite a bit after.

There is a sizable population of the US that feels to this day that calling Obama and Sanders Communists is a much stronger invective than calling the current President and his cohorts Nazis.

Dutchess_III's avatar

In what way did the Communists murder 100 million people? Was a systematic type of murder, like the Nazis?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Wow. Bad communists.
It all comes down to the leaders.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Nazism isn’t illegal ether. At least not here in the States.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Good point @Darth_Algar Murder is illegal, lots of things if acted on are illegal, but not the politics themselves.

Jaxk's avatar

You can’t talk about Nazism without referencing Hitler. He defined it and implemented it. As such it carries all the baggage of what Hitler did. Theory and practice are one in the same. Communism is different in that you can talk about it in theory while ignoring what happens in practice. Unfortunately both systems place absolute power in the state and the leader. The potential for abuse is irresistible. If the only example of communism was Pol Pot or Stalin, you would have very similar reactions. Communism and Nazism are different in theory but quite similar in outcomes. Who would have guessed?

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