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ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Would I be breaking my own contract?

Asked by ItalianPrincess1217 (11979points) July 16th, 2018

Here we go again.

I recently asked a question about a client of mine regarding whether they were asking too much. I ended up declining the late night appointment they requested but again they asked for an appointment outside of my normal business hours. I ended up caving in and made an exception for the sake of my own sanity. They only made a very small payment towards their remaining wedding photography balance during this meeting. Figures.

Fast forward to a few days ago. The contract they signed states the full balance is due 7 days before the wedding date. That date is quickly approaching and I haven’t heard from them. I reached out a few days ago and asked if they had a particular day they’d like to meet for the final payment. I explained my schedule is filling up next week and that we should really set aside a time and day. I also offered to take payment by phone with my card reader. This saves time and a trip. Their response was, “We’ll get back to you in a little bit when we figure out what day is best for us.”

Three days later, still nothing. I won’t be reaching back out again. I’ve already decided this. I have had to track them down for everything so far and this is the final straw. If this was their first offense, I’d be more understanding. However from the beginning, they’ve been somewhat of a nightmare. I know weddings are stressful but there is a difference between being stressed out and being irresponsible.

My question is, what if they pick a day that I’m already booked up on? Would that count against me because I wasn’t able to meet up and take the payment? Would I be the one breaking the contract? I did attempt to schedule ahead of time so this situation didn’t happen and I also offered phone payment which can be done anytime. I won’t purposely avoid meeting them of course, as I do want their business, but I don’t intend to drop everything I’m doing if they say, “Come meet us now or never.”

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rebbel's avatar

How do you reach out?
What medium do you use to communicate?
I think, in business cases, it’s always best to, at least, communicate these arrangements, and everything that hangs with it, through email (or on paper).
If you haven’t done so already; send them the payment arrangement question one more time, through mail.
That way, in case that all goes haywire, you have proof (I would think).
Verbal agreements are harder to proof.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@rebbel It’s all been via email or text message. I’ve saved all of the conversations for proof, just in case. Luckily none of it has been verbal.

chyna's avatar

They have had every opportunity to pay you. They could’ve mailed it, given it to you over the phone, met up with you or dropped it off to you. I would send them a final notice, with FINAL NOTICE written in the subject line via email, with a read receipt so you know they read it. I would also mail it.
I would state “if final payment is not received by end of business day, 5 p.m. July 16 (or whatever is 7 days in advance) our contract is null and void and there will be no return of previous payments.

I have a feeling they aren’t being irresponsible, I think they don’t have the money.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@chyna You’re right. It’s definitely about the money as well. But meeting with them, they’re also very young and irresponsible. They think the world caters to them. I had a bad feeling about this as soon as they mentioned how much they still owed their venue with only a month left to pay. If they couldn’t come up with the money to pay me, I wondered how they’d afford thousands for the venue in such a short time.

rebbel's avatar

@ItalianPrincess1217 Great that you used these two.
@chyna ‘s advice sounds very to the point, to me.
I would maybe add to that statement that there have already been a few attempts at arranging an appointment (from your side).

Also, although I can understand your worry (maybe even empathy for the couple), how they finance different sections of their wedding is not your responsibility.
If one is ready to bare the responsibility of matrimony one should be expected to also have the responsibility to pay for the whole thing.
They knew what they were going to get when they hired you, and they know that service doesn’t come free.

janbb's avatar

@chyna ‘s advice is spot on. You don’t to have an appointment to get the money. Do exactly what she says.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@rebbel @chyna Am I obligated to send a final notice? I only ask because I feel as though if I send a notice demanding payment and then they pay, it could lead to some serious awkwardness when I arrive to take their photos. I feel it might change the entire vibe of things.

canidmajor's avatar

I also agree with @chyna on this. You are the hired professional, if they are awkward and you behave professionally, it is their responsibility.

snowberry's avatar

Agree with @chyna and @canidmajor. It’s their problem, not yours. They’ve made your life difficult enough. Be sure to keep all your documentation, just in case.

janbb's avatar

Yes, send a final notice. It is the professional thing to do. If they then pay, don’t refer to it again and act as cordially as you would to another client.

rebbel's avatar

@ItalianPrincess1217 I can imagine how you would feel in case they do suddenly pay after said notice; I might feel the same.
But here’s a way, that I can think of, how I would face it, if it were me:
How would you do your job, how would you act, had they paid you the first possibility you offered them to?

kritiper's avatar

Stick to your guns! If you cater to one person without catering to all, you are guilty of discrimination! DON’T DO IT!!!

stanleybmanly's avatar

I remember the previous question, and I remember thinking that weddings are in that category of adventures where those responsible “bite off more than they can chew”. The opportunities for crisis are interminable, and the odds that the wedding itself is irratonal skyrocket with the declining ages of bride and/or groom. I think that if you specified in the contract that you must be paid by a certain date, but didn’t hold them to the courtesy of any further responsibilty, you are obligated to fulfill your end of the bargain if they show up with the money before midnight on the deadline. It is their obligation to deliver the money, not yours to collect it. If you have commitments when they decide on your payday, tell them where you will be, and let them pay you there. In the future beware of young couples with big wedding ambitions. Trust those uneasy feelings, and act accordingly.

Dutchess_III's avatar

You need to be prepared to take them to small claims court. It’s fascinating how being served with court papers causes money to fall out of people’s pockets.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@stanleybmanly I think you make a great point. I’m not sure why I felt like it was my responsibility to drive to them to collect each payment. That’s not usually how things operate so I’ll make it clear that whenever they decide on a convenient time for them, they can bring it to wherever I am at that time. For every meeting so far, I’ve driven almost an hour each way to meet them in their home. No more of that nonsense.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Also, send them a certified letter detailing your expectations so they can’t deny stuff.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III What does the certified letter prove other than I sent them a letter of some sort? I would obviously have a copy for myself but technically they could just say that’s not the same thing they received, couldn’t they?

rebbel's avatar

If in doubt; send it using registered mail.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, hmm. That’s a good question. Anyone have an answer?

stanleybmanly's avatar

Only you can decide whether it is worth the bother to run these 2 down, but I suspect you aren’t the only one in this affair nervous about timely payment for services. Perhaps in the future you might stage payments to coincide with the efforts you exert prior to the wedding. It isn’t as though eager young people are out to shake you down, but pay as you go is one way of facilitating their wishes without risking the waste of your time and effort. It would also serve as your trip wire regarding possible financial insufficiencies.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@stanleybmanly My contract has changed since they initially signed. They booked over a year ago and I changed it shortly after. Now payments are due much sooner than 7 days before the event and several other things have been changed with the payment schedule. They’re the last clients locked into the old contract. To think they’ve had over a year to pay, and they’ve waited until a week before to pay the majority makes me more than nervous. And like you said, I’m certain I’m not the only vendor that hasn’t been paid in full yet.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I’m curious as to your ideas on resolving this. A year IS a long and surprisingly prudent lead time to line up the ducks. How have you managed to resist the urge to ask point blank “what’s up?”

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@stanleybmanly I suppose I’m trying to salvage my reputation. If this goes badly, reviews will surely be left on my websites and I don’t want to deal with the backlash, even though they’re obviously in the wrong.

As far as resolving it, I was just hoping they would do the right thing and pay up. It’s really down to the wire though and it’s making me nervous. So if they don’t find a way to get me the money by the deadline, I’ll stick to my contract. I won’t provide my services. That’s unfortunate for them but I can’t let sympathy guide my judgement or I’ll be bending over backwards for every client with money issues.

chyna's avatar

Good luck. Let us know.

JLeslie's avatar

Does it say in your contract the deposit is forfeited if the client breaches the contract?

I would send an email, and leave a phone message, and you could even send a certified letter. I’d let them know they have already missed the deadline, but if they get you the money by date x you will still go forward with doing their wedding, otherwise the deal is off and they lose their deposit.

They need to get the money to you at this point in my opinion. They can deposit it in your bank (either at the bank or transfer you the funds) or bring you a cashiers check or cash, or send you the check overnight. Does your bank have a branch near them?

Free yourself of the stress. Draw a line in the sand, either they come through or they don’t. I am for giving them some leeway, but only to a certain extent.

You said their young, do they have their parents involved at all?

Is it possible they are considering a different photographer?

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@JLeslie Yes, the contract says any money already paid would be lost. They both have parents but I’m not sure how involved they are in the money aspect. No, I don’t think they’re looking into another photographer. They just met with me last month and put money towards their balance. They didn’t have to do that but they wanted to keep chipping away at the money owed. I think this is a case of not having the money to pay yet. And no legitimate photographer would have an opening on a weekend during prime time a week before a wedding. So I’m not concerned about that.

JLeslie's avatar

^^If you want to put up with it, and if they still haven’t paid you a few days before the event, you can tell them you will need cash before the ceremony starts (or before whatever the first photos are supposed to be) or you won’t be snapping a photo. That’s assuming you aren’t traveling 2 hours to do the wedding. If you live far away, you might be happier just keeping their money and putting your feet up for the day and relaxing at home.

I think you prefer to have it work out, not only because of the money for the job, but also because you don’t want them to not have photos for their special day.

I definitely wouldn’t travel over 30 minutes for a payment, unless you have other errands to run in that direction. I pay people all over the world from my house, and I deposit money for people at their bank in person all of the time. They can do it too.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Weddings suck.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III They do indeed. People that don’t pay suck even more! Still no word from them yet.

JLeslie's avatar

We lose thousands on people not wanting to pay. It does suck.

Dutchess_III's avatar

It is heartbreaking to me that there is some sort of societal expectation that there needs to be tens of thousands of dollars spent on a wedding, and it sets people up for these kinds of situations. To me, that is such a huge waste of money. Put that money into a savings account, or CD for retirement, instead.

JLeslie's avatar

^^We don’t know how much is being spent on this wedding, but it seems like they do want to document the day with some photographs.

I agree some of the pressure to spend a lot of money on weddings isn’t good, but not everyone gives into that pressure. People still have a choice. Probably the most annoying to me is studies show caterers, DJ’s, florists too often raise their prices for weddings.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Of course they want pictures! But why spend a few hundred dollars for pictures, when you can have have a friend or family member take pics for free?

rebbel's avatar

Check some professional wedding photographers’ portfolios, and then check some uncle-of-the-couple-who-is-the-photographer-du-jour’s work.
Seriously, there’s a reason why professionals charge money for their service.

JLeslie's avatar

@Durchess_III At my wedding I provided throw away cameras for people to take photos for me for fun. This was before smart phones. They had real film in then. I also had a professional photographer.

The professional did a much better job. Also, taking photos takes time. If a relative or friend is taking photos they aren’t enjoying the party, they are working.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I provided the throw away cameras at my wedding too.

Here are the pictures a friend of ours took. And I took many of them too, after the wedding. If a certain picture caught my eye I’d digitally manipulate it to make it pop.

janbb's avatar

@Dutchess_III Have you ever heard the saying “different strokes for different folks”?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yes. And I understand that for some people going in debt waaaay over their heads for a wedding is their stroke. It’s not mine.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Were I the OP, and confronted by a young couple, I would right off the bat push for a meeting with the 4 (or as many as there are) parents and the happy couple. I would request the gathering under the legitimate need for family input on the photo agenda, but there’s the bonus in the opportunity to “size things up” Older folks have usually learned the hard way what they can and cannot afford. And if it becomes obvious that my services would contribute substantially to financial hardship, I’d have alternatives at the ready.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yes. I’m sure she has learned a great deal from this experience. I still say get your stuff together for court.

stanleybmanly's avatar

blood from a turnip?

Dutchess_III's avatar

And she’ll get a feel for shady. It’s hard, writing up contracts and making demands on people, but you have to, to protect yourself.

When I had a daycare I had one family who was in the throes of divorce. At one point Dad got temporary custody of the kids and asked if he could still bring them to my daycare (I had never even met him before.) I said, “Sure.”
Well, Mom got upset with me for not making it more difficult on him, by making him find new daycare.
I got a bit edgy and pointed out that the kids were going through some painful stuff to and I thought it was important to keep at least one thing in their life stable. She, of course, had no choice but to agree.
Well, it quickly became clear that Dad didn’t think he needed to pay me. Eventually I sent him a registered letter detailing how much he owed me (it was $500 some dollars) and I was prepared to take it to court and court costs would be charged back to him.
Still no response so I filed a claim against him, tacked that $65 on to my bill. The very day he got served, some Guido showed up on my front porch, all huge and threatening, some thug friend of his I guess, and shoved the money in my hand. He made some vague threat like…and I completely threw him off by being utterly gracious, like Michell Obama would have been. I even invited him in and asked if he would like a coke.
It really threw him for a loop and he started mumbling and stumbling…..I finally said, “Well, thank you so very much for bringing the money by and it was so nice to meet you,” and put my hand out to shake.
Dad was never late with a payment again, and he knew Guiedo wasn’t going to intimidate me.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

I think there are ways to have a beautiful wedding without spending outrageous amounts of money. I did.

As a side note, there is a good reason people usually regret having Uncle Tom who happens to own a digital camera take their wedding photos. (I’m biased of course.) But I do charge significantly less than most professional photographers in my area. Capturing a special day shouldn’t break the bank.

Another side note, my clients mentioned the amount they’re spending on the venue and it’s A LOT. And I know just last month they still hadn’t paid the venue yet either.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I know you do, and I know you’re good @ItalianPrincess1217. If I could have afforded it, I would have hired you. Brung ya to Kansas to do our wedding!

Man, I wish you the very best of luck and take notes, take notes, take notes.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III I would have loved to travel for a wedding gig! Maybe when my kids are older I’ll offer that service.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, that would be cool!

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Update:

Still no word from the couple. They have until Friday to pay the balance. The worst part is I lost out on two other weddings because I had already booked this couple for that date.

chyna's avatar

A co-worker is getting married. The venue gave her a contract that she had to pay half up front, another amount in 3 months, balance due a month before the wedding. Non refundable unless one party dies befor the wedding. Firm. If the second payment is not received by the due date, contract is broken, no excuses, money is kept and the venue still has time to book another wedding.
Perhaps you need to revamp your contract and stick to it so you won’t be stuck. It might even pay to have a lawyer draw up a contract. It might cost you a couple hundred dollars, but a lawyer hopefully will think of things you might not.
I hope the couple comes up with the money and this all works out for you.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@chyna I mentioned in one of my replies above I’ve since made changes to my contracts but this couple was one of the last to use the old one. The new one’s payment schedule works out much better. At one point I spoke to a lawyer for help and even though he claimed he does contracts “all the time”, he seemed very uneducated on what I needed to include. I decided not to use him. In the future I might shop around for a better one.

chyna's avatar

I’m sure I read that you had done all that and had forgotten. Sorry to repeat it.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

How do I word this properly in the final notice? I want to say if final payment is not received, services will not be…what? What are the words I’m searching for? Performed? Or my services will be terminated?

rebbel's avatar

Will not be executed?

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

So,
Blah blah blah

“if payment is not received by this day, photography services will not be executed, the contract will be null and void, and all monies paid will not be returned.”

Something along those lines?

janbb's avatar

I would put in also that the contract is null and void.

JLeslie's avatar

This is a final notice that the remaining balance is overdue according to the contract between Julie Smith and Princess photography dated June x, 2018. If the remaining balance of $X is not received to the photographer in cash or caahier’s check by 5:00pm, July X, 2018, photography services will not be performed, the contract will be void, and all monies previous paid will be forfeited.

Something like that. You can say not returned. Using plain language is fine, it doesn’t have to be fancy legal jargon. The less open to interpretation the better.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@JLeslie Thank you. I like that.

janbb's avatar

Very good, @JLeslie !

chyna's avatar

It is good @jleslie.

rebbel's avatar

@JLeslie This through certified/registered mail?
Well worded!

janbb's avatar

Just one slight grammatical correction. It should be “all monies previously paid.”

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@janbb Ah yes! Was typing and walking! Thank you.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@rebbel I was going to send through email because it’s due Friday. Should I also send certified mail?

rebbel's avatar

I am not familiar with both the American (and Dutch) postal rules and regulations; I have never used it.
Hopefully (probably) another Jelly will chime in?!

JLeslie's avatar

Thanks everyone.

Just thought of “this serves as final notice…” rather than, “this is final notice.”

I HATE dealing with contracts, but I seem to always wind up dealing with them. It causes me tremendous stress, and I am always angry I get stuck doing it in my family, and even when I have a lawyer, but I’m pretty good at it.

Meanwhile, DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, and really have zero legal expertise. Just every day type of knowledge.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I think the word y’all are looking for is “rendered.” “Services will not be rendered.”

And DO send it registered mail so they have to sign for it. If they lie in court (which the vast majority of people are afraid to do) and say the envelope was empty the judge will probably see right through it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

We have to stop meeting this way @ItalianPrincess1217!

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Still no word from them! This is giving me a tremendous amount of anxiety. Every day that goes by I get more of a knot in my stomach over it. Whenever my phone goes off my heart jumps thinking it might be them saying they’re dropping off the money. I wonder what they’re thinking right now. I imagine it’s something along the lines of they figure it’ll be fine to pay me late and I’ll still perform my services for them? Whatever it is that is going on in their minds, it’s driving me insane not knowing.

Dutchess_III's avatar

You need to get that letter out to them pronto.

janbb's avatar

Didn’t you send your final notice with a deadline? If you did and it’s past that, then that’s it. It’s hard but you need to toughen up a bit to be in business.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Being tough is, honestly, something you will get used to. And you may be surprised. People may not react the way you might think they will.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@janbb Yes I did send it but the deadline is tomorrow. And I’m tough but I’m also a people pleaser. I have a problem balancing pleasing people and doing what’s best for business sometimes. I overthink just about everything and struggle to know what the “right” thing to do is. Then I think, they’re probably going to be without a photographer and it’s just a week before their wedding. Yikes. I can’t help but feel a little bad about that.

chyna's avatar

But they caused this issue, not you. And who knows if they are still getting married at the venue. You said they hadn’t made the payment on that either. Perhaps this will teach them to be more responsible.

Dutchess_III's avatar

@ItalianPrincess1217 I know how you feel…it’s not fun confronting someone for sure.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III I suppose I need to remember that if they’d paid me on time or followed the guidelines of the contract they signed, I wouldn’t be forced to do this. So even though I feel guilty, I didn’t cause this.

janbb's avatar

@ItalianPrincess1217 Exactly, you do. And I totally understand how you feel; I’ve had to learn to be tougher on things to and it doesn’t come naturally to me.

Dutchess_III's avatar

YES @ItalianPrincess1217. Keep that in your mind. Print it off and put it on your fridge.
When I filed a lawsuit against that guy I was scared to death. I was a single Mom, living alone, with my kids, and I was afraid he was going to hurt me. But….instead…he paid.

JLeslie's avatar

Sorry if someone said this already…

Can you call the venue and tell them what has transpired? Maybe they know if the wedding was cancelled, if they are expecting a different photographer, if they haven’t been paid either. I don’t know how much they will share, but maybe something if they know something.

I don’t think you have to find out what happened, you have obviously tried your best to help the couple, but at least if you get some info you might feel better.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Update: I just now got a text from the bride saying “I’m so sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. We’re away this weekend. Is there any way we can meet Monday?”

How do I approach this?

snowberry's avatar

I’m not sure if she’s passed her deadline or not. If she has, she has broken her contract. You could try to salvage the deal by saying she must get you the rest of the money by 6 PM Monday or forget it.

It’s your call, but I think this horse is dead. You can’t run a business like this.

rebbel's avatar

If they indeed are too late, then stand your ground.
The terms and conditions in a contract are made for a reason.
For example: the deadline for payment is set a specific time period before the event, to give enough time for the photographer to find a new gig, in case payment isn’t done at said date.
If you can’t arrange a new gig (which I can imagine would be hard to do if you have little time) you lose income.
Also, giving in might be disadvantageous for the company in the future cause there is the danger that they’ll advertise you to potential clients as being ‘easy’ / ‘flexible’.

I’m not saying it’s easy to go this route, by the way.
I’m not sure if I would be able to stand mý ground in a situation like this, but I would gather all my courage and do it anyway.
I think in business it’s eat or be eaten
Good luck to you!

JLeslie's avatar

How late are they? Is it just a day, or a full week? I can’t keep it straight anymore. If the money was due Friday, yesterday, and she called Friday, yesterday, I’d probably be lenient personally, and still let them pay me, but I would NOT travel out of my way for payment. They screwed it up they fix it. It has to be cash or cashiers check, and they drive out to you today, Saturday, or they direct deposit cash in your bank account tomorrow, or do a transaction tomorrow via PayPal, or bank transfer (most banks have Zelle for free transfers done online). It’s not a bad option to have for other clients too. They might find it more convenient to send you money via online like PayPal or Zelle.

If they are still out of town they can still do the transfers on Saturday online, or still make it to your bank if it’s a national bank open on Saturday. Or, have a parent or aunt or friend do it who is willing too.

How much is it? Less than $1,000k I assume. You can’t trust them now to pay. I would not trust a check that can bounce.

Or, if you’re mentally and emotionally done with it you can say, “I’ve already scheduled something else since I hadn’t hear from you for days and didn’t receive the money.” But, if they called the day the money was due, I doubt I would do this.

They don’t need to know your new plans on your schedule are playing with your children and having pizza delivered.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Yes, it’s officially overdue today and she text me last night at 10:30pm asking for the extension. My issue with this is even if they’re out of town, there are still ways to pay me immediately. It doesn’t seem they are trying very hard to get me the money. If I extend it until Monday that shows them that the letter I sent stating if they don’t pay by 5:00pm the contract is null and void etc would make me sound like I wasn’t serious to begin with. Right?

chyna's avatar

Correct. And there is no reason to expect that they will actually pay you on Monday.
I would say no, but if they can get it into your account today, that will work. If they can afford to go out of town but not pay you, I would stop talking with them.
Did you call the venue and see if it’s been paid yet?

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@chyna That’s exactly what I was thinking. They can afford to go away for their bachelorette and stag parties this weekend but didn’t think to pay their vendors off? No, but I will be calling the venue this afternoon to see if they’ll offer any information.

chyna's avatar

They went away for their parties! Oh hell no!

JLeslie's avatar

Today. They have to do the transaction today. I would give them the day extension. I pay people around the world online, they can pay you. You might not have the money in your account until Monday, but they can give you the transaction confirmation today.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I would make sure they understand that by meeting them on Monday, they have broken the contract, and by rights you have the right to cancel the engagment. However, if they can pay the bill IN FULL on Monday you can still do the work for them.
If not, walk. So easy for me to say. Hang in there. Know there are jellies who have your back somehow…..

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III I’m just having a hard time wrapping my head around why I would extend it until Monday (and maybe that sounds harsh). But in these modern times we live in, we have the ability to pay people pretty easily even when we’re not in the same town. So why can’t they call me up and make the payment today? Or pay over the internet? Or transfer it to my account? Or have a family member drop it off? There are so many ways they could have gotten me the money on time. They had over a year to think this through.. I even did them the kind service of reminding them a week beforehand that it was due and asked to set up an appointment for that. I could have just assumed they would remember on their own and when they didn’t pay me, not shown up at their wedding. This is 2 warnings now they’ve gotten and it seems to me they aren’t very concerned with paying me in a timely manner. And if that’s the case, I’m not very concerned with doing business with them.

chyna's avatar

They may think that they are so special that you will go ahead and take the pictures without being paid with the promise they will pay you after the wedding. They have shown you who they are. Now show them who you are. A respectable business woman who has to get paid for her time and not a pushover.

Your comment above got me thinking of the old song 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. Only now it’s 50 Ways to pay your bill. lol

janbb's avatar

Do not go to a meeting with them on their turf. Enough already. If you want the job, tell them you need them to get the payment to you by noon on Monday, however they work out to do it, or walk. If you’re tire of playing footsie with them, tell them the contract is now null as you warned in your letter.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

I emailed another response saying payment is due no later than 7 days before the event. I would need to receive payment today as there are other clients on the cancellation list for that weekend.

No reply.

She’s posting on social media photos of her being on a beach about an hour away from here.

So that’s that.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Well, now I’m getting texts again. It’s the groom this time. He said “I paid you some already. You’ll get the rest Monday. Or you could go meet my mom tonight. It’s not like I’m not going to pay you.”

It’s 7:30pm and I’m definitely not meeting his mother. Why should I have to? And I’m not sure if it’s just me being upset about this but I feel like his tone is a bit rude and demanding. Help?

rebbel's avatar

The “payment is due no later than seven days before the event” statement, is that a new condition?
Outside of the contract?
And, I’m not sure if I remember, but when is the event?

Anyway, besides all this, if they already didn’t respect the contract, I think it’s time to pull the plug.

chyna's avatar

“I will need payment via my account tonight as stated in your contract.”

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Well I sure did light a fire under them tonight. I ignored his first text for a few minutes and suddenly their attitude changed to desperation. They offered to pay immediately. All sorts of different methods were offered. Do you want a check? Cash? Visa?

Needless to say, I got my money and a big fat apology.

snowberry's avatar

That’s awesome!

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh yes. See, it shocks me too when people respond to me being no-nonsense. I expect them to fight and argue, but more often than now not they respond in a positive way.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

On a side note, a bast stomach virus is making it’s rounds through my house. High fever, vomiting, dirrhea…Wouldn’t it be wonderful if I ended up sick for the wedding! Just my luck. They would surely love me if I canceled on them after going through all of this.

JLeslie's avatar

Luckily, it’s monday, and stomach viruses are like wild fire. If you get it, I hope you don’t, you’ll likely be better by the weekend.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@JLeslie I was thinking the same thing. I hope it happens in the next day or two.

JLeslie's avatar

Although, if it all had started later in the week, you could have maybe have been contagious for their wedding but not sick yet. Lol. But, I wouldn’t wish it on the other guests.

I’m hoping you don’t get it obviously.

High fever is unusual for a stomach virus. Or, do you mean just your little kids? Little ones get fever with almost everything.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@JLeslie My 6 (almost 7) year old had a fever of 103.1 so not just the littlest ones. I thought it was odd to have a fever with a stomach virus too. Very bad headache, fever, vomiting, and once all that ended, there constant diarrhea to top it all off lol.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Sounds like the flu, and I bet you’ve already had it, so with any luck, you won’t be getting sick. If you are going to get sick it will be about 24 hours after he’s “over” it.

JLeslie's avatar

Could be the flu I guess. The flu doesn’t usually have vomiting with adults, but anything is possible with little kids.

Did they all eat the same thing? Did they have hamburger meat? E.coli poisoning can have fever, throwing up and diarrhea, and it can be quite dangerous in children.

Sounds like they are already getting better though, so that’s good.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

Looks like the worst is over. It was just a 24 hour thing. So far I’m feeling just fine other than stressed out! Hopefully it stays that way.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I figured as much. God. Now you got your money. When is the damn wedding?

To me the flu is vomiting, diarrhea, high fever, chills, dizziness. Often it’s a 24 hour thing. About 15 years ago my 3 kids went down like dominoes with the 24 hour flu. I didn’t get it because I’d already had it decades ago. My poor son slept on the floor next to the toilet. :(

The thing that other people describe as the flu is just a bad cold to me.

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

@Dutchess_III Checkmark all of those plus a terrible headache. I’d guess flu which seems bizarre to me because we haven’t been anywhere lately. They haven’t even been around kids. I guess there has been a lot of strangers in and out of our house for showings though. Could have germs from one of them. Who knows!

The wedding is this weekend! I’m actually excited about this one. I hope it’s as beautiful as the bride is describing it. It’s in a barn and has a very rustic themed reception…

Dutchess_III's avatar

Yes. And a headache. Hey…it happens. No point in trying to trace the source. Once my HS boyfriend was visiting and he suddenly came down really sick. Vomiting, all of that. He even asked if my Mom would give him a ride home, he was THAT sick. She did, and on the way back she told me to mark the time because in just about 24 hours I would be getting sick too. And so I did.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Hopefully you can share some pics with us @ItalianPrincess1217!

janbb's avatar

^^ I would think that would be an unprofessional violation of the couple’s privacy.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I would assume she would get permission first. That’s why I said, “Hopefully…”

ItalianPrincess1217's avatar

No worries! Clients sign off on that. I’m allowed to post the photos, although I might keep their faces hidden just out of courtesy.

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