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Where does the word "Goon" come from?

Asked by rojo (24179points) September 11th, 2018

I found this but it seem rather, unfulfilling? What are your thoughts?

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flutherother's avatar

Your article seems largely based on the Online Etymological Dictionary which is pretty reliable.

KNOWITALL's avatar

mid 19th century: perhaps from dialect gooney ‘booby’; influenced by the subhuman cartoon character ‘Alice the Goon,’ created by E. C. Segar (1894–1938), American cartoonist.- Google

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Interesting. Eugene the Magical Jeep was another Popey character of Segar’s, and the four-wheeled Jeep may have been name for him.

ucme's avatar

Peter Sellers
Spike Milligan
Harry Secombe
Michael Bentine

kritiper's avatar

“goon… n [prob. short for E.dial. ‘gooney’ simpleton] (1921) 1 : a stupid person 2 a : a man hired to terrorize or eliminate opponents ” -from Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary 11th ed.

Pinguidchance's avatar

Asked by rojo
I found this but it seem rather, unfulfilling? What are your thoughts?

Fat chance this frisson find will fulfill.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/dragoon

dragoon (n.)
1620s, from French dragon “carbine, musket,” because the guns the soldiers carried “breathed fire” like dragons (see dragon). Also see -oon.

dragoon (v.)

1680s, literally “to force by the agency of dragoons” (which were used by the French kings to persecute Protestants), from dragoon (n.). Related: Dragooned; dragooning.

dragon (n.)
early 13c., from Old French dragon, from Latin draconem (nominative draco) “huge serpent, dragon,” from Greek drakon (genitive drakontos) “serpent, giant seafish,” apparently from drak-, strong aorist stem of derkesthai “to see clearly,” from PIE *derk- “to see.” Perhaps the literal sense is “the one with the (deadly) glance.”

Goon and goony may be false cognates ie. for the birds.

rojo's avatar

Actually @Pinguidchance to me an abbreviated version of the term “dragoon” being the original source makes more sense than the simpleton/fool origin particularly when used to persecute or threaten others.

kritiper's avatar

The gangsters of the early 20th century, like in Chicago, had lots of hipster like words, like “heater” for a gun, “Chicago typewriter” for a Thompson machine gun, and so on. Makes sense that the word “goon” would mean an enforcer, a hit man, “muscle.”

kritiper's avatar

Found this in a 1960 edition of Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary-
“goon…, n. [Prob fr. gorilla+baboon.] Slang, orig. Western U.S. One hired as a slugger, bomber, incendiary, or the like, by racketeers or outlaw unionists for terrorizing industry workers; from the subhuman creatures of a comic strip by E. C. Segar (d. 1938).”

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