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Was the destruction of private property during the Boston Tea Party patriotic or immoral? Which would it be in the present day? How would your answer apply to the Senate's handling of the Garland, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh nominations?

Asked by SaganRitual (523points) October 12th, 2018

I guess the first two questions are self-explanatory.

As for the Kavanaugh circus, I’m not talking about guilt or innocence. For the purpose of my question, let’s just assume that both he and Dr Ford were lying the whole time, and very important, they both felt that such drastic action was absolutely necessary to save America from imminent collapse.

Would they be patriots or low-lifes? If only one of them were lying, would that person be a patriot and the other a low-life? Or would the liar be the low-life?

Also consider the GOP blockade of Obama’s nominee, which was completely legal, followed by two rushed and not entirely un-suspicious confirmations, but again, all legal. Patriotic? Or immoral?

Also just to simplify: never mind whether they did illegal things behind closed doors. What they did in the public view was all legal. Or at least not illegal enough to spark outrage.

As usual: why, why not, discuss, pontificate.

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Jeruba's avatar

What class is this for?

MrGrimm888's avatar

Accusing someone (wrongly,) of sexual assault, is NOT patriotic.

I portend that those calling out the right on their racism, greed, xenophobia, and bigotry, is “patriotic.” Conversely, those on the right, probably consider themselves the patriots.

Patriotism, is subjective (IMO.)

Perceptions, are key. One man’s freedom fighter, is another man’s terrorist. If the Boston Tea Party took place today, it would be called a “terrorist” act.

In the end, history is written by the winners. It is recorded history, that will paint the characters in whatever color the victors choose…

elbanditoroso's avatar

A couple of points:

1) Patriotism and Morality are NOT mutually exclusive. Your question seems to imply that it is an either/or question, which it is not.

2) second and more importantly – there is no universal definition of EITHER “morality” or “patriotism”. As @MrGrimm888 wrote, your point of view is what defines both. The Tea Party may have been moral for the Colonists, but the British didn’t think so,

So back to your question about Kavanagh and the Republican theft of the supreme court – from my context as a liberal thinker, the republican party and the Trumpies are the antithesis of patriotic and almost thoroughly immoral.

But that’s just my opinion based on my context.

SaganRitual's avatar

@Jeruba I’m not in school. It’s a real question. Wow, if I ever got questions like that for a writing assignment, I would change majors. Do I get to know your thoughts now, or am I unconvincing?

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s patriotic when the tea belongs to someone other than yourself. For the owners it is clearly immoral.

SaganRitual's avatar

@MrGrimm888 and @elbanditoroso right, it’s all subjective and opinion. It’s your opinion that I want. Get out there and pontificate!

stanleybmanly's avatar

The Senate’s confirmation process as with all other Senate business and much like the Boston Tea Party is about whose interests are to be served— the people or the people who own country (and its politicians). The traditional method for assuring the dominance of the second group, though it is unquestiobably in the minority (numbers wise) is to appoint judges inclined to favor property rights over those of the individual. Thus free speech and $ are now interchangeable.

MrGrimm888's avatar

If the OP wants my opinion, I think the GOP has made a really shown a lot

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