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Are the opposers of the film "Unplanned" going to make a film that shows their side?

Asked by flo (12183points) 1 week ago

They’re protesting saying that it’s an inaccurate portrayal. Is there a film that shows the opposing side? https://www.unplannedfilm.com/

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KNOWITALL's avatar

Every show or movie that includes abortion seems to minimize the impact, so in that way, they have a million times over.

Seems as if she approves of the content:
Directors Chuck Konzelman and Cary Solomon sent a draft of their script to Johnson for review. Upon reading, Johnson reacted, “I read the script. And in the first 15 pages, I hated me. Then I got to the end of the script, and I loved it. It was me!”[3

Info:
Unplanned is a 2019 American biographical drama film written and directed by Cary Solomon and Chuck Konzelman, based on Abby Johnson’s eponymous 2010 memoir. The film stars Ashley Bratcher, Brooks Ryan and Robia Scott, and follows Johnson’s life as a clinic director for Planned Parenthood, as well as her subsequent conversion to anti-abortion activism.

flo's avatar

@KNOWITALL yes. If you would post the link?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@flo Link for what? The movie trailer is on the link you posted.

flo's avatar

@KNOWITALL Oh ok, I thought it was your own link.

flo's avatar

…because I thought my link was just the visual part of the film.

Yellowdog's avatar

What could possibly be untrue about the film ‘unplanned’ ?

What was even controversial about it?
What happens in an abortion clinic was a pretty apt description.

I don’t recall anything negative that might be disputed except that some national president Planned Parenthood got angry when questioning motives in a meeting. Sounds pretty typical of what would happen if someone rebutted their superiors.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Yellowdog I believe some of the content is controversial.

seawulf575's avatar

@flo Here’s the IMDb plot summary for the movie

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9024106/plotsummary?ref_=tt_stry_pl

I doubt Planned Parenthood will plan a response movie….and by proxy, none of the pro-abortion folks. First off, there really isn’t a lot of solid footing to stand on. The facts are the facts. PP and the pro-choice bunch don’t like the facts and work diligently to keep them suppressed. But if they tried making a movie to show their side of this event, it would come off as totally pretentious and would come across as them being desperate.

@KNOWITALL some of the content probably is controversial for those that don’t want full disclosure to come out.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf Yes. Even here it had limited play, suppression is easier than a response.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

By the same token every antiabortion show depicts completely unrealistic portrayals of abortion. They’re always late term, to the point that they’d be illegal to perform in any state without a medical reason.
They don’t depict an actual 1st trimester fetus that could be passed my a miscarriage, virtually unnoticed by the woman because it’s only about as big as a raspberry! Even at 3 full months it’s only 2.5 inches long.
There is no sawing of the fetus apart which the anti choice people get a thrill out of showing in graphic, gory detail.

Yellowdog's avatar

So, how do YOU think the late-term procedure is done @Dutchess_lll ?

The tool specific to the procedure is called a curvette. Cutting the baby apart is the only way of removal

All parts have to be removed and reassembled and verified—if something is left inside the womb, it can cause fatal infections.

There was a case here in Memphis where the aborted fetus was actually expelled several hours later after it was supposed to have been removed. That is far more of a horror than anything shown on the Unplanned movie.

Many, if not most, who work in the Pregnancy centers that try to save the unborn had once worked in Abortion Clinics and something certainly changed their views on abortion. These are not men or church officials. They are women who have been in the abortion industry.

There was nothing gory about the film ‘Unplanned.’ I thought it dealt with the topic with great sensitivity and realism. It DOES need the R-rating because, well, no teenagers especially boys need to see this much about the procedures and the women going through it.

Let Planned Parenthood make their counter-view movie. It will be dour and depressing. It will advocate lies, and will be a big flop at the box office. Planned Parenthood is well funded by the government and the wealthiest cadre of donors in the country. It will be a very costly loss on all fronts. It won’t give warm and fuzzy feelings about abortion, or any hope for the state of things in people’s lives.

flo's avatar

When all else fails make noise, when all else fails try to supress when all else fails bring up the size of the unborn person (as human right is only supposed to be afforded to big and visible people.)

flo's avatar

By the way if it’s a drunk driver, or the father to be who kills the zygot or fetus, it’s attempted or murder or something simlar. Explain that.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I SAID late term abortions are only done due to medical necessity, not on request by a person who suddenly decides at 7 months gestation they don’t want the baby @Yellowdog. It doesn’t happen that way, but the anti choice people get a kick out of pretending they do.
They like to pretend ALL abortions happen at 7 months and that ALL abortions require sawing a baby up. It’s a really sick fantasy of theirs.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess The whole subject is disturbing, no one gets kicks from it. Geez

Yellowdog's avatar

I READ it, too. Doesn’t make it right.

But yes, 3rd term abortions are very rare. They still happen more than most people are aware.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I give up. I can’t cut through the denseness.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_lll You can’t just make things up and assign them to the Pro Life movement.

Statistics show a low percentage, 1.4% are late term abortions.
The uproar over rape and incest, less than 3% of all abortions.
So perhaps both sides should stop being overly dramatic and stick to facts.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

That 1.4% of late term abortions are due to medical issues. They are not elective abortions. So stop with the “tearing babies apart because they get a kick out of it” bullshit.

Why does it even matter what percentage of pregnancies are due to rape or incest? That comment made NO sense. Care to explain?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_lll They may or may not be, that’s a seperate debate. I didn’t say anything about tearing babies apart, but it’s a fact that they do have to re-assemble the body to account for all parts, so they aren’t leaving parts in the womans body that could cause harm.

It matters because it’s a fact. Some Reps may exaggerate the number of late term abortions, but some Dems exaggerate the number of rape/ incest, too.

If you need anything else spelled out so you stop spreading misinformation, please let me know.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Yes it’s a fact. They have to do that to save the mother’s life. And your point is…? And why are you dwelling on the image?

Rape / incest doesn’t need exaggerating. I don’t even know what you’re carrying on about.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_lll Half of the things you’re saying don’t apply to anything I’ve said, are you drunk or something?

I’m not dwelling on any image, apparently you are though.

Another pointless conversation….sigh.

jca2's avatar

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

The above link will show you abortion stats by month of pregnancy.

At 8 weeks, the embryo is as big as a raspberry.

https://www.thebump.com/pregnancy-week-by-week/8-weeks-pregnant

I don’t think there’s any “tearing a baby apart” when it’s the size of a raspberry.

jca2's avatar

This is what’s in the first link:

Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2015 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation: 91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at ≤8 weeks’ gestation). The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 114% from 2006 to 2015, with an 8% increase from 2014 to 2015. Source: Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2015. MMWR Surveill Summ 2018;67(No. SS-13).

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_lll I found this stat on abortions to save a mother’s life

https://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8

It’s less than 1% of all abortions are done for that reason, per that information. Again…the panic over not saving a mother’s life seems exaggerated.

This article:

https://lozierinstitute.org/the-reality-of-late-term-abortion-procedures/

talks more about the reasons behind why someone would have an abortion after 20 weeks. Mostly, it is for the same reasons someone would choose to do so early on…finances, relationship issues, etc. Basically, convenience for the mother. Another tie seems to be delays in identifying the pregnancy, though not being able to identify you are pregnant for 3 months seems odd. Not impossible, just seems odd.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I understand that abortions for medical reasons are rare. I never said they weren’t.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I just read a stat that said 91.3% of elective abortion are done by week 12.

flo's avatar

Protesting the showing of the film is crucial for the so called pro choice side.

flo's avatar

To some of the so called pro choicers who say 9 weeks is the cut off point, it’s late term after 9 weeks, whether it’s officially called late term or not.

What is considered late term depends on the state, the province, the country.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Legally it’s at about 20 weeks.
Late term usually refers to the 2nd and 3rd trimester. I am pro choice but I would hope to hell if a person wants an abortion they’d do it within the first 12 weeks (the 1st trimester.)

flo's avatar

Apparently 75% good is better than 100% good.

flo's avatar

The side that brings up legally”, ”government, forcing is the so called pro choice side not the anti- abortion side, because the anti-abortion side wants people (sometimes it’s the b/f, husband, ex, who wants the abortion not the woman, and coerces the abortion option) to choose having the baby, then give it to adoption.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I am pro choice but I accept that there are laws guiding the procedure. I appreciate those laws.

flo's avatar

…or leave the baby at the baby hatch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I am pro choice. I believe it is up to the involved parties to decide what they want to do. They want to abort, their choice. They want adopt out, their choice. None of it is any of my business.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

My good friend in the 80s was, and still is, a militant Christian. She was rabidly anti abortion. She and her husband would go to protests. They proudly wore, and handed out, big buttons that bore the image of a sawed up fetus. Sick as hell IMO.

flo's avatar

…what happened to “I don’t know what “forcing” you’re referring to” (to paraphrase) statement?

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I edited it out. I think I figured out what you meant.

flo's avatar

….edit out and don’t refer to it.

seawulf575's avatar

I have fairly simple views about abortion. I don’t agree with it as I believe that every child has the potential to be a force for good in the world, given the chance. I don’t agree with the idea of getting an abortion for convenience sake. It would be far more convenient to not have unprotected sex (which happens way too much in my opinion). I don’t like having abortion as an option to replace responsibility. But I have my hands full trying to keep myself straight…holding to my own beliefs. I don’t have the time or energy to make decisions for others.

flo's avatar

@seawulf575 Thanks for the link previous post.

By the way I’m looking at the lamer than lame, (I got nothing to refute your points with) posts after great posts by the pro watch the film, present your info instead of attemting to supress it side.

seawulf575's avatar

@flo but you are persevering nicely. I’m betting you neck hurts from shaking your head, though.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

I think I shall refer to it now.

flo's avatar

@seawulf575 Just making noise, and displaying more immaturity than a 7 yr old helps with the neck.

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