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elbanditoroso's avatar

Suppose that it were proven that Trump ordered the hit on Epstein. Would that be an impeachable offense?

Asked by elbanditoroso (26025points) 1 week ago

Or would Trump be defended by his acolytes?

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gorillapaws's avatar

Trump could take a latino baby fresh out of the womb, smash its head with a bat on live tv and you’d have plenty of people either rushing to his defense (“fake news!!!”) or cheering him on.

And Nancy Pelosi would be too cowardly to impeach since Trump is handy for raising money from billionaires.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Not as long as he’s in office, from what I hear.

@gorillapaws if he’s impeached, won’t Pence be able to just pardon him? I’d rather see him in prison.

Inspired_2write's avatar

It would be a criminal offense of which if proven could land him in jail and thereefore lose his Presidency in a shameful way.

Kardamom's avatar

It might be an impeachable offense, but until the majority of Republicans vote to remove him from office, it would just be a slap on the wrist, and only on paper.

He would have to be removed from office, or finish up his term to be brought to justice in a criminal case. Until then, he is virtually untouchable, thanks to the Republicans who are protecting him.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

“An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.” – President Jerry Ford

Patty_Melt's avatar

Omg!
The worst crimes/behavior contrived comes from Democrats trying to paint a picture of our president.

It makes me all the more likely to never vote Democrat for any office, ever.

Dutchess_III's avatar

We don’t have to “paint a picture.” The man paints his own contemptible picture.

Dutchess_III's avatar

And here we have trump pooping his pants while visiting one of the Dayton shooting victims.

seawulf575's avatar

If he ordered a hit and it was proven, absolutely. But there are two pieces there…that he did it and that it was proven. Proven means there are actual facts and not opinion or conjecture. We just wasted millions of tax dollars because of something he didn’t do and yet there is still a push to impeach him for it.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Bill Clinton has more reason to than President Trump. First of all, the president is known to have used his jet once or twice. Clinton has probably used it several times. While it is true that Trump has married more than one woman, and likely had extra marital affairs, he has never been exposed as kinky. Everyone who just sucked in a deep breath ready to scream pussy toucher at me you can just expel. By now it must be obvious that Trump supporters know the difference between coulda and did. Bill, on the other hand, was exposed publicly, and still grins like he’s pleased with himself.
So, a more likely question would be, if Bill Clinton had Epstein killed, would he lose his retirement checks?

Dutchess_III's avatar

What Clinton did wasn’t kinky. Wrong, but not kinky. Trump had sex with underage girls and that’s OK, but Clinton having sex with a grown woman was wrong.
OK.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Trump hasn’t been proven to have been with underage girls. ‘m not aware of any allegations even worth checking.

So sorry. I didn’t realize sticky cigars in the oval office was all the rage.

gorillapaws's avatar

@Patty_Melt There are “credible accusations”: https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/ that Trump walked into the changing rooms of the Miss Teen USA. It’s not “proof” but that is more inline with pedophillia than what Clinton did.

There are allegedly many other people that had motive to silence Epstein too, from royalty to very rich businessmen. I hope they figure out the truth.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Or he just couldn’t face a life without wealth and killed himself. As smart as he was, I’m sure he’d have found a way to do it in between the every 30 minutes he’s checked on.

Trump also counted Epstein among his friends. I have no doubt he admired him and looked up to him. He was as rich as trump and a whole lot smarter.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I read “masseuse” as “manuse job…”

seawulf575's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay Yep, but by that 16 yo’s on story, she didn’t get pushed into being a sex servant until Epstein. So the innuendo that somehow she was doing the same for Trump seems lame at best.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Riiiight.
You don’t get men at all, do you @seawulf575. Especially rich men.

seawulf575's avatar

Well, gee, @Dutchess_III I guess what you are saying is that we shouldn’t believe the victim…the woman? That sure sounds like what you are saying.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

So the innuendo that somehow she was doing the same for Trump seems lame at best.

You totally destroyed the argument nobody made.

The fact (not innuendo) is that Trump knew Epstein was molesting young teenagers and it did not get him ejected from the Mar a Lago social circle.

seawulf575's avatar

The fact (not innuendo) that Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in 2007 for trying to hit on the girls obviously means nothing either. That was 12 year ago. Your “fact” makes one huge assumption. It assumes Trump knew Epstein was molesting young teenagers and did nothing. THAT is your innuendo….it starts with an unsubstantiated statement and then builds from there. But the reason he was banned (fact) is that he was soliciting an 18 year old employee.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

it starts with an unsubstantiated statement

It is a direct quote. Donald Trump made the statement in an interview.

But you go on defending the honor and integrity of Donald Trump. It tells the world about your own.

seawulf575's avatar

Ok….show me the quote where Donald Trump said he knew Epstein was molesting young teenagers. Let’s start with that.

Dutchess_III's avatar

“It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the *younger side.*”

seawulf575's avatar

Thanks @Call_Me_Jay…...er @Dutchess_III. But where in that quote does it say Epstein molests young teenagers? Oh…yeah…it doesn’t. It says he like women on the younger side. Given his age, that could mean 18–30 and still apply. Yeah, I know…the innuendo is there, and given what we know (or think we know) about Epstein, he probably did like underage girls. But that statement by Trump doesn’t say that, nor even imply he suspected Epstein was a pedophile. Try again.

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Dutchess_III's avatar

He’s been convicted of it. “In April 2005, police of Palm Beach, Florida, began investigating Epstein after a parent complained that he molested her 14-year-old daughter.[4] After an investigation, prosecution, and plea negotiations, Epstein pleaded guilty…federal officials had identified 36 girls, some as young as 14 years old, who had been molested…Epstein was arrested again on July 6, 2019, on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York” Source

_“Subsequently, the police alleged that Epstein had paid several girls to perform sexual acts with him.[73] Interviews with five alleged victims and 17 witnesses under oath, a high school transcript and other items found in Epstein’s trash and home allegedly showed that some of the girls involved were under 18.[74] The police search of Epstein’s home found two hidden cameras and large numbers of photos of girls throughout the house, some of whom the police had interviewed in the course of their investigation.[71]

“On June 30, 2008, after Epstein pleaded guilty to a state charge (one of two) of procuring _for prostitution a girl below age 18,[84] he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

“Though Epstein had been a level-three registered sex offender in New York since 2010, the New York Police Department never enforced the 90-day regulation, though non-compliance is a felony.”

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III Epstein was a piece of shit. I get that. But look at your timeline. The quote you gave from Trump was from 2002. Epstein’s arrest and conviction was from 2008.. The Palm Beach FL police didn’t even start an investigation until 2005. So your tie between the two doesn’t stand. Try again.

Dutchess_III's avatar

What quote did I give from trump? What quote was from 2002? I just did a search and you are the only person on this thread to mention 2002.

Obviously you didn’t read my whole post. I knew I should have broken it down into smaller bits.

“On June 30, 2008, after Epstein pleaded guilty to a state charge (one of two) of procuring for prostitution a girl below age 18,[84] he was sentenced to 18 months in prison.” (copied and pasted from my post above because you never got to that part, obviously.)

He has been convicted of engaging in unlawful sexual activity with minors. Do you understand what “convicted means? Or are you going to start spinning around in circles with your fingers in your ears again?

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III The quote YOU provided:

”“It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the *younger side.*”

That is from 2002 and is what you were trying to say showed that Trump knew Epstein was a child molester. And your timeline doesn’t work. Epstein wasn’t even under investigation for another couple years after that quote.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

_ It says he like women on the younger side. Given his age, that could mean 18–30 and still apply._

Epstein wasn’t molesting 30 year old women. Trump didn’t see Epstein “dating” 30 year old women. They were teenagers.

That Trump quote is from 2002 and Epstein’s indictment charges he was raping young girls at that time. Trump knew and admired Epstein for it. He bragged about Epstein to the magazine reporter.

seawulf575's avatar

No where in that quote from Trump does it say anything about molesting. All it says is that he liked younger women. I’m 58 right now. I can look at an 18 or 25 or 30 year old and think she is beautiful. If I were single, I might even go after one. But there is no harm in that, even though I might like younger women. It is possible Epstein was molesting 30 year old women at some point. They call that sexual assault in many places.
You bring up Epstein’s indictment. As I pointed out, the first investigation into his behavior started several years after Trump made his quote. It is quite possible, even probable, that Trump knew nothing of his illegal behaviors. It is also possible he did. But the quote alone proves nothing. Except maybe to prove that Trump didn’t like women as young as Epstein did.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

it is possible Epstein was molesting 30 year old women at some point.

He wasn’t. Everybody knows that. Everybody. He went to prison, he had been sued, he was indicted again.

Holy moly stop embarrassing yourself.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Trump made his quote in 2002 and it has been documented that Epstein was raping young girls at the time.

seawulf575's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay And yet you cannot show a shred of proof that Trump knew any of it. You have conflated a whole lot from a single line…stuff that just isn’t there. You implied Trump knew Epstein was molesting children. That wasn’t in there. You implied that because Epstein was found to have been molesting children at the time Trump made his statement, that Trump somehow knew it and that was what he was talking about. Again…that just isn’t in the statement. You continue to create (or more likely parrot) the narrative…the talking points…that don’t follow any logic whatsoever.
Let’s look at it this way…if you saw a guy that was 50 years old that was chasing after or dating or living with an 18 year old….is that guy a pedophile? No. Is it somewhat creepy? Possibly. If you also were 50 years old but realized long ago that 18 was probably too young for your tastes these days, wouldn’t the statement that the first guy likes women on the younger side be entirely accurate? And yes, that is a realistic scenario…you see older guys and younger women all the time. So merely having one statement…that Epstein likes his women on the younger side…means absolutely nothing other than what it says.
You claim I am embarrassing myself, yet you are the one that is desperately trying to read into a statement and create a whole story to go with it. You are trying to tie unrelated things together to make a point that isn’t there.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

I know better than to try reasoning with a hopeless cult fanatic. I have to be more disciplined and refrain.

seawulf575's avatar

And more fanatic.

Patty_Melt's avatar

In response to the actual question, I don’t think Trump had reason enough to bother with Epstein.
There are dozens of heavy hitters in line ahead of him with regards to motive.
Hillary, for one. He might have revealed that she had visited his island, and liked it very much.

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