Registered dog shoots woman. It is time to take away guns?

I’d argue that the same could be said for licensed drivers.
As for puppies firing a weapon? Even a young Brittany Spaniel, in spite of extensive field training, simply can’t be trusted around a firearm. At any time. Evrrrrrrr

Simple case of improper storage.

“What’s that you say Lassie?”
“You wanna play fetch again boy?”

BANG!!

“Fuck you, that game sucks”

Here’s the article for those of you who get blocked from the Post

Oct. 7, 2019 at 10:29 a.m. CDT
Police in Enid, Okla., got an unusual call on Thursday: a woman had been shot in the leg — by a puppy.
Tina Springer, 44, was riding in a car with Brent Parks, 79, and his excitable yellow Labrador, Molly, when they pulled to a stop to let a train pass, KFOR reported.
Also traveling in the car: a loaded .22-caliber handgun, kept in the front seat’s center console.
As the train passed, 7-month-old Molly apparently became spooked and jumped onto the console, causing the gun to fire, police said. According to 911 calls obtained by local media, Parks told emergency responders that Springer had been accidentally shot by the dog.
An officer who responded to the emergency found three shell casings and a burn mark under the center console consistent with Parks’s story, according to a police report obtained by The Washington Post. The report noted that Parks’s and Springer’s stories matched up and that officers did not suspect foul play.
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“This is the first time I’ve ever heard of a dog shooting a person,” Sgt. Robert Norton of the Enid police department told KOCO. “That’s important whenever you’re transporting firearms, to make sure especially that they’re in a secure location.”
In the 911 recordings, Parks can be heard telling the operator that Springer was “bleeding pretty bad.”
Parks added, “A gun went off … got her in the leg.”
“She shot herself?” The operator asked.
“No, she didn’t do it herself,” Parks said.
“Who shot her?”
“We had a dog in here, and he stepped on the gun.”
Parks was able to create a makeshift tourniquet from a seat belt after a 911 operator walked him through the process. Springer was taken to a hospital and received treatment, and was expected to recover.
As for Molly, she’s back home with her owner and will be kept away from trains.

As far as an argument for taking away guns, no. As far as tightening up gun laws, yes. There should be a very stiff penalty for having the safety off and another for improper storage. Was there any mention of a penalty? No. And THAT is the gun problem, right there.

“Guns don’t shoot people, dogs shoot people.”

“There’s no point in trying to prevent dogs from shooting people, because they’re just going to do it anyways.”

Are we on Candid Camera???
I’ve heard of people who were shot when they accidently dropped a gun. Maybe we should outlaw gravity.

@kritiper -I’m all for that.lol!

No one is trying to outlaw guns @kritiper. We just would like to see stricter laws, like I suggested above. Heavy fines for not securing them properly.
Now if you drop your gun and shoot yourself, that’s on you.

^^^^^Speak for yourself @Dutchess_III . I am in favor of outlawing most guns.

And I would also be pretty restrictive on dog ownership, too.

I think the puppy should be taken to a dog whisperer. He apparently has some issues which need to be dealt with. You can’t shoot people every time they bring you to a place which frightens you.
As for the gun, it probably knew it was dangerous to be kept handy for self defense with the safety off, but really, what’s an inanimate object to do?
The gun owner got off easy. The shot could have been much more dangerous. Maybe she will rethink her weapon storage strategies.
I had a Chinese throwing star. it was shiny and pretty. I put it on a chain to wear around my neck. The first time I reached a hand forward, sharp points pierced each breast. Proper weapon storage must be taken seriously.

@Dutchess_III After all the years of people bitching and harping on the subject, let me tell you;
I got that.

There’s still the little problem of the Second Amendment
Maybe dogs should be forced to take High school civics class instead of American humans

Just no.

I know of a hunter, who was shot, and killed by his dog. He had left a shell chambered, in a shotgun. He kept the shotgun pointed towards the back of his truck. He kept his dog in the bed, where the shotgun was. When he opened the back of the pick up, the dig apparently stepped on the shotgun’s trigger. It killed the hunter. This falls under. Never keep a round/shell chambered, to me. It was the carelessness, of the owner, that ultimately killed him. The dog obviously didn’t know how to operate a weapon….

The only way to stop a bad doggie with a gun is a good boy with a gun.

@Patty_Melt ”You can’t shoot people every time they bring you to a place which frightens you. ” are you honest to god suggesting that the dog shot the woman on purpose?

”As for the gun, it probably knew it was dangerous to be kept handy for self defense with the safety off,” I do hope you’re joking….

@zenvelo It wouldn’t bother me any if they outlawed guns, but it’s not going to happen. Can you settle for much stricter gun laws and fines?

Why wouldn’t the safety be on?

Lol

@Patty_Melt “After all, what’s an inanimate object to do?”
Hehehe!

Because the gun owner didn’t bother to put it on safty, @Inspired_2write. Should be a fine for that.

@Darth_Algar The only way to stop a bad dog with a gun is a cat with a gun.

Which might wipe out the entire planet since I’m sure their shit lists are pretty damn long. Ha.

Got that right!

Maybe all pistols should be double action. Then a bullet can be kept in the chamber with the hammer down instead of cocked.

Dicks Sporting Good destroyed 5 million in rifle inventory!

She is an irresponsible gun owner and should have her gun taken away or sent for gun safety education before getting it returned and before “another ” accident occurs.

It strikes me as odd that nobody mentioned the fact that the dog was loose in the car.
I believe some states require dogs to be in a carrier when in a car.
I don’t have a dog, so I haven’t checked on that in my own state.

Our dogs have always been lose in the car.

@Inspired_2write that’s the very gist of people who are for responsible gun laws have been trying to say, and the NRA folks just don’t want to hear it.

It sounds like the firearm wasn’t secure. Not good! If the gun was a pistol it should have been in a holster.

No, it wasn’t secure and the safety was off. She should have been slapped with fines.

That is something I will agree with as card carrying gun owner. Improper storage and handling I have a big issue with. It’s negligence.

We’re expected to keep all other dangerous things out of reach of children (pets,) like drugs, knives, bleach….but not guns. Go figure.

You are though. There are actually laws that cover this.

Why don’t I ever hear of people being fined, then?

Negligence. Same laws that cover when people do exactly what you said earlier about bleach, knives etc…

@Dutchess_III “Why don’t I ever hear of people being fined, then?”

Because “woman fined for improper storage” doesn’t make for a sensational headline.

The headline wouldn’t be that she was fined. The headline would be that her dog shot her. Whether or not she was fined would be somewhere in the story.

So, what you meant to ask wasn’t “why don’t I ever hear of people being fined”, but rather “why don’t I hear of this woman being fined”.

I never hear of people being fined. I occasionally hear of an arrest, but most often “No charges were filed,” since it was simply a tragic mistake THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
I will be happy for any example of people facing the kinds of fines they face for being negligent with a gun.

And I answered the people question. To which you shifted the goalpost back to the specific woman in this case. Now you’re shifting it back to people. Make up your mind.

Just show me an example of someone who was find for being negligent with their gun, and quit trying start a ridiculous Fluther fight.

No one’s trying to start a fight. I answered your question honestly and am confounded by your behavior afterward.

Are you calling this ”Because “woman fined for improper storage” doesn’t make for a sensational headline,” the answer to my question? Did you not understand the logic behind my response, which was to say keep the headline sensational (”Dog shoots woman,”) but somewhere in the following story mention the consequences she faced? I have never seen an article about an accidental shooting that mentions any fines or anything except possible charges.

I don’t see fines mentioned in any articles. Fines rarely get mentioned, about guns or other things.

That is because, generally speaking, there are no laws requiring the safe storage of guns. Except in Massachusetts.

“Massachusetts is the only state that generally requires that all firearms be stored with a lock in place; California, Connecticut, and New York impose this requirement in certain situations.”

Texas law requires that guns must be stored in a locked room or storage case away from children.

But that only covers home. What about in the truck? (‘Cause every Texan has gun and truck)

^^ LOL Indeed! That’s a loophole I didn’t know about until hubby told me!

According to this Massachusetts is the only state that requires that all firearms be stored with a locking device in place when the firearms are not in use. The state bars storing or keeping any firearm unless it is secured in a locked container.

I can’t find a single source that suggests Texas requires that guns must be stored in a locked room or storage case away from children @snowberry.

@Dutchess_III yes, but not if they’re in a vehicle. Hubby recently took a class on it. Go figure!

I can’t find a law for Texas that says they have to be locked up in the house either.

I am in favor of guns being taken away to save lives, IF
anyone who owns or drives motor vehicles of any kind will lose all driving privileges permanently. In other words, booze only allowed for non drivers.
Such a law should save a lot of lives.

You’re in favor of guns being taken away if anyone who owns or drives a motor vehicle of any kind will lose all driving privileges permanently?

Driving for non drinkers only.

Feels different when the takeaway is in your own life huh?
I know only one person ever who was shot dead, but drivers who were drunk have taken several of my friends, so, yeah, that would be an easy deal for me to make.

WTH? I was talking about securing fire arms and imposing fines and penalties on people who don’t and you’re blathering about taking guns away. If a person leaves a loaded gun lying around for a 4 year old to pick up and shoot someone with, then yes. Take it away. That person is too irresponsible and stupid to own a lethal weapon.
If a person gets caught driving drunk X number of times we take away his driving privilege. I don’t see any difference.

X number of times would be the key phrase. Once is too many, but laws allow for more than that, and some have been discovered to have lost driving privileges multiple times, repeat offending the duration of their life.
And I did not blather. I made a simple statement.

Yes. You made a “simple” statement that was no where in the same realm of what we’re talking about, ergo, it’s blathering.