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Patty_Melt's avatar

Would you stand with a jelly at risk, even if their politics differ from yours?

Asked by Patty_Melt (17513points) October 9th, 2019

How do you stand where fluther members rate, out in the world?

Suppose you go to a Trump rally, whether as a supporter, or to oppose.
As luck would have it, you strike up a conversation with someone who turns out to be a fluther regular, but one you know to be in opposition to your own politics.
Be honest. How would you react?
One step further, as things escalate with the crowd, you see that jelly injured.

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31 Answers

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I’m pretty good at compartmentalizing people from their politics. I’d be happy to see them.

jca2's avatar

I would be happy to meet a fellow Jelly. I’d be happy to help a fellow Jelly. I wouldn’t act as if politics I don’t agree with were agreeable to me, just because the fellow Jelly is into them.

Patty_Melt's avatar

@jca2, I appreciate that you specified that you would not pretend your politics are other than what you truly believe and follow, but I hope you didn’t believe I meant that with my question.
I am mostly wondering whether there is anyone here who would let a member they have opposed fundamentally, be injured for their own politics.

To be honest, there is one or two I would make no effort to protect, but it would not actually be about their political feelings.

In regards to politics, I would prefer to set that aside if ever I met any jellies IRL and maybe go grab a sandwich together, or salad bar if it were one of our vegans.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I would hope my personal relationships trump any political differences. I’ve had knuckleheaded conservative girlfriends in my distant past, and I’ve a neighbor now whose political views are so atrociously right wing that his wife & kids join me in ganging up on him. But there is nothing I won’t do if he needs it, short of voting his way.

SEKA's avatar

I have a lot of friends who have opposing political beliefs There are numerous jellies who piss me off with their political ramblings yet I find I love their other posts. I don’t care who you are, if injured, I’d be the first to assist

jca2's avatar

In real life, I hardly ever talk about politics with my friends. If I met a Jelly, it would be more about where they live, what they do for a living, their travels, their family, same for me, etc.

raum's avatar

Regardless of their politics, I would help a complete stranger if things were escalating.

But I would probably help a fellow jelly first.

mazingerz88's avatar

Not when their politics include separating kids from parents and yes even if they are illegal. That’s where I draw the line.

rebbel's avatar

I like to think that Jellies that have opposing opinions, on politics (or any other subject), will administer first aid to me, when I’m in need of it.
I would do the same.
Also, like @SEKA, I too appreciate questions, answers, and responses in threads of Jellies with different opinions.

And I would/could very well just hang out with said Jellies.

chyna's avatar

I can only think of a couple of jellies whose political standings totally piss me off. But on non-political threads I have agreed with them, given them GA’s or GQ’s. I would absolutely help any jelly in the scenario you describe if I was able.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

I would not attend a Trump rally. There are people there whose hatred of me goes so far as to call for murdering me because I was born gay. That said, I would give first aid to anyone who needed it.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Doubtful I’d intervene as they are adults making their own decisions.

si3tech's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake Amen! and God Bless.

canidmajor's avatar

If I was in such a situation (unlikely) I would feel a connection to this person and like @raum I would even help the stranger.

ucme's avatar

Of course, yes.
That would be like rejecting a person because I hated their favourite colour.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Whether or not someone’s a member of Fluther, I would not want to see someone harmed for their bad decision to attend a rally for an opposing political party to blast some vitriol.
Bad decision, right there.
Which then makes me question their sanity. The insane surely have a right to their lives just as I do.
Would I throw myself in the middle of a riot to protect their right to free speech? Idk
I am protective of my loved ones and have been in a few interesting situations because of that but then, that’s different.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Very situational.

Let’s say hypothetically that I had been at the Charlottesville rally last year with Flutherite S.

Flutherite S. was at the rally wearing a “I support the KKK” hat and a t-shirt that said “White People Only in America”.

Protesters came up to Flutherite S. and started shouting at him.

I would probably tell him to get the heck out of there before things turned violent. I would try and keep him from being physically harmed.

Would I speak on his behalf? Support his beliefs? not a chance

flutherother's avatar

When I lived in the States I was friendly with a few people with strongly right wing views. It was the pre Trump era but I liked them and got on well with them though I found their political views very difficult to understand. I wouldn’t go to a Trump rally as I don’t like the atmosphere I see at these gatherings and I wouldn’t want to give any kind of support to Trump.

LadyMarissa's avatar

My BFF is polar opposite of e on EVERYTHING we say or do, yet I still love & RESPECT her & her opinions!!! I would feel the same with any jelly. My Mom raised me that there are 2 things in life that you keep personal & they are politics & religion. I seldom discuss either of those with anyone who are NOT close to me & very seldom discuss it even with those I’ve known for years. Still, I would NEVER hold their political beliefs in a higher regard than their personal safety NO matter who they are…jellies are safe with me NO matter their political beliefs!!!

I wouldn’t be found at a trump rally because they’d NEVER allow me in as you’re required to wear a MAGA hat & NOT say anything against the king…I’m NOT willing to selll my soul!!!

Caravanfan's avatar

One of my close friends is a right wing Trump supporting Fox News watching gun-toting dues paying NRA member. I would do anything for him, and he for me.

JLeslie's avatar

I wouldn’t be holding up a Trump sign, but if people started harassing the Trump jelly I would try to do something to stop the person doing the harassing or get security or something so it doesn’t escalate.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

Why hasn’t anyone commented on the idea that violence could likely erupt at a Trump rally?

chyna's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake I think it’s a given that there will be violence at any trump rally.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@chyna That speaks volumes.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Chyna Nah, not all of them get rowdy. In our area there were a handful of protestors amongst thousands, no violence at all.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

@KNOWITALL The point is that the question assumes violence is possible at a Trump rally. How many rallies of Democrats have led to violence?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Hawaii That may be better discussed with @Patty Melt. Her hypothetical.

I truly have not researched violence at campaign rallies, couldnt say.

JLeslie's avatar

Trump was just here, I don’t think any violence erupted. There was some protesting, whistles blowing, etc.

They set up big screens in the town square where the theatre is where he gave his speech so people in the square could watch the speech outside simultaneously.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Pretty refreshing answers to be honest.

Patty_Melt's avatar

@kidding me, I agree. I am glad I posted this question. It is refreshing to see the community attitude.

@JLeslie, I saw some clips on the news about Trump’s visit down there. They showed bits at a huuuuuge retirement community. Was that you dancing in front of the camera?
The reporter commented about the lively atmosphere there. I felt it had to be the place where you live.

@Hawaii_Jake, I could have picked any candidate. I named the president because he is the one who is most energetically discussed here.
It doesn’t matter whose rally, I would resist violence the best I could. I prefer to keep politics non violent.

JLeslie's avatar

@Patty_Melt Yes, I live there. The clip I saw circulating the most was when the crowd was getting loud and blowing the whistles and there were cops present just making sure nothing happened. It was annoying to me all of the noise during those moments. Some people were chanting Lock Him Up. Any republican annoyed with that chanting should really take a pause if they were ok with the Republican 3 word chants that are constantly present during Trump’s reign. I realize not all Republicans were ok with it, but a lot were.

On the town television channel they showed the square full of people watching the screens, and it looked as if it was calm and respectful. one friend of mine was there, and the only thing I saw her post on Facebook were photos and that she was so happy to be surrounded by people who love America. Really pisses me off that statement.

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