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flo's avatar

Is getting fined not one way of getting education?

Asked by flo (13313points) February 9th, 2020

People say “I learned my lesson after my first ticket for x, y, z.”

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kritiper's avatar

This may be true for some people.
My experience is this:
Some people learn.
Some people learn the hard way.
Some people never learn.

Zaku's avatar

If by “education” you mean behavior modification through domination and punishment, then for some people, sort of.

However I almost never think of that type of education when I see “getting education”.

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ragingloli's avatar

For a lot of people, that is just an incentive to invent better ways to not get caught next time.

zenvelo's avatar

For the wealthy, fines are just a cost for not having to obey the law.

kritiper's avatar

@zenvelo You forgot to add “in my opinion.” Because, after all, the wealthy are required to obey the law. Fines aren’t intended as a buy out.

ragingloli's avatar

Fines should be a progressively increasing percentage of income.

Zaku's avatar

@kritiper AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Ha! (In my opinion.)

flo's avatar

That’s why in one or more countries in the world they have what @ragingloli ”...suggested: ”...progressively increasing percentage of income.“_
@Zaku People who smoke/text, consume hot food etc. (not “minor” your word)
would stop doing any of those, after reading your 2 posts (one here and the other here):
“I am also disgusted by people trying to address minor safety considerations by illegalizing behavior in a misguided and impossible attempt to control all risk factors.”
If your population is so &%#$@ stupid and irresponsible that they’re crashing and not wearing seatbelts etc in significant numbers, then making entire activities illegal and punishable by being detected, intercepted and fined by police seems to me like it’s going to be both ineffective and a terribly wrong-minded kind of approach to use.
It seems to me the main problem in the USA is maleducation and backwards authoritarian thinking. Arrghh!”
What do you think?

Zaku's avatar

So you think my proposal for improved safety is that people read my posts which are about policy?

No. I think that if one wants to reduce traffic deaths due to distracted driving, one should study data about such situations, and then direct education efforts (not punishment efforts) towards the worst offenders, which, by the way, seem to be something like:

Daydreaming – 62%
Cell phone and other mobile device use – 14 to 16 %
Looking at things outside instead of the road – 7%
Other occupants – 5%

Eating and drinking while driving do show up in the top ten, at about 2%, and so I would agree are worthy of attention, but again, I would say the appropriate response is to educate people, not to have the police trying to give them fines and jacking up their already-evil insurance rates.

flo's avatar

So, if they come across your posts, without searching for it, it would lead them to stop all the dangerous (regarless to which ones to what degree) activities. Ok.

Kardamom's avatar

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on the person, what mind set they are in at the time they are weighing the options of breaking the law or not, and as others have pointed out, if a person has a lot of money, they might think it’s quicker, or more convenient to break the law, and pay the fine. And then some people simply don’t think about the correlation between the violation, and the cost of the fine, at the time.

flo's avatar

@Zaku By the way you are against your proposal, by your
“So, you think my proposal for improved safety is that people read my posts which are about policy? No….”
I was asking you what you thought.

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