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Is the Nevada Democratic Primary going to be another hot mess?

Asked by gorillapaws (24687points) 1 month ago

A new article from Politico raises serious concerns with Nevada’s primary coming up this weekend. Apparently the training for election volunteers using iPads and Google forms is disorganized, dysfunctional and confusing. Is this more incompetence? malice? Should Tom Perez resign?

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hmmmmmm's avatar

Of course.

@gorillapaws: “Should Tom Perez resign?”

Of course. But he’s doing the job he was put there to do when Obama recruited him to run against Keith Ellison. He’s not going anywhere. Look who he appointed for the convention committee. It’s beyond parody.

tinyfaery's avatar

I don’t see how caucuses are ever anything but chaos. Just change to primaries already.

Irukandji's avatar

Like @tinyfaery said, caucuses are always chaos. A lot of Bernie supporters liked it back when that chaos helped him out (he dominated the 2016 caucuses, and I remember being barraged by arguments about why caucuses were better/more representative than primaries before a base election), and a lot of them hate it this time now that it’s helping someone else (though we don’t know that it will actually help Buttigieg in the long run). And that’s politics in a nutshell.

gorillapaws's avatar

@Irukandji “Bernie supporters liked it back when that chaos helped him out…, and they hate it this time now that it’s helping someone else”

To be fair, the concern now is that the totals are inaccurate due to un-vetted/untested technology being forced into the process, and that there may have been malice with regards to the timing of when partial results were released. I don’t hear many complaints about the caucus process itself being messy from Bernie’s side.

kritiper's avatar

Heavens no! Don’t be so pessimistic!

Demosthenes's avatar

I hope not. I am in Nevada, but I am not a Democrat, so I will not be participating. Caucusing certainly discourages me from voting. I hope they do away with this system.

kritiper's avatar

What kind of a mess it will or won’t be depends on the people who run the thing, not the Democrats. (There was some local yokel on TV who wanted to blame the DNC!)

Patty_Melt's avatar

I never looked at caucusing as a reliable poll for national use.
It is an opportunity for people of a designated party to dispense, discuss, and compare the knowledge they have up to that point regarding available candidates. They share their information and opinions with those who might be less informed, or still on a fence.
Impatient people try to use the process to guess at an outcome, but it isn’t a finished product. It is neighbors helping each other work through questions and doubts.
It is a process not intended for metropolitan communities.
It is more like the first round of America’s Got Talent than a poll.

Irukandji's avatar

@gorillapaws “the concern now is that the totals are inaccurate due to un-vetted/untested technology being forced into the process”

Yes, and I understand that concern. But the totals reported in previous caucuses may have also been inaccurate since they were reported by precinct captains with no paper trail. The app was a disaster, but at least there were paper ballots to rely on this time.

“there may have been malice with regards to the timing of when partial results were released”

As cynical as I am about politics, this worry really seems like the product of absurd paranoia and/or motivated reasoning. Once the disaster started, those involved in the process had every motivation to get the results out as quickly as was possible without sacrificing accuracy (since “oops, we made a mistake and have to redo our calculations” would have been even more disastrous than taking an extra day or two). It was their asses on the line, after all. And since the delay probably helped Sanders more than anyone else, his supporters complaining about it is a bit weird.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Iowa’s person in charge resigned, and urged Dems to sue the DNC. I think at this point they are feeling New Hampshire can have first spot.

gorillapaws's avatar

Also, Bernie closed the gap to within 4 thousandths of one percent, or 26.186% to 26.182% in SDEs vs. Buttigieg in Iowa after the recanvass. Bernie already won the popular vote in Iowa by over 6k votes. I think Bernie’s campaign is asking for a recount now, and is expected to win both the SDEs and the popular vote in Iowa. Does anyone think Buttigieg will give back the donations he got after falsely proclaiming his victory on election night? Will the media apologize for getting it wrong?

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