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Did Trumps Impeachment interfere with the Covid-19 response?

Asked by RedDeerGuy1 (16983points) 1 month ago

They were close to the same time. Did they interfere with the proper response with each other?

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Inspired_2write's avatar

No, rather Trumps response was too slow in acting responsibly.

Irukandji's avatar

If it did, then that’s on Trump and his administration. A president has to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, and every other president who has faced impeachment or the prospect of it has managed to keep running the country. And it should have been even easier for Trump since he knew there was no actual risk of being removed from office.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Yes.
The House Intelligence Committee’s job is to be aware of this very thing and not hyper-partisan politics.
Now they want to impeach him for the way he responded when he was the one with his eye on the ball.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The thing you should never miss regarding Trump is that words like excellence, competence or integrity are useless, and unlike previous Presidents, he is so clueless that he systemically strives (while unable to understand or appreciate it) to replace or reduce all about him to those with standards equivalent to his own. Inevitable catastrophe is therefore ALL that is reliably available.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Not in the slightest.
Heavy is the head, that wears the crown…
Ultimately, Trump is responsible for any/all short comings.

I don’t appreciate his outright lies, and false claims of victories either.
His use of this tragedy, to essentially campaign to the American people as much as possible, is beyond deplorable….

The virus would have come, regardless of who was in office.
But… Trump’s handling of the crisis, has been absolutely pathetic….

Yellowdog's avatar

Trump instituted the travel ban from China, issued a quarantine for affected individuals, formed a COVID-19 task force, and even addressed it in the State of the Union address while the Democrats in congress obstructed and refused to act, calling him a xenophobe, and did an impeachment circus. That one;s forever.

It took almost four weeks before some of the democrats in congress began to discuss COVID seriously. Their first six weeks all they were embroiled in was dividing the country with an impeachment hoax that they had no chance of winning.

Wake up—get out and VOTE. Had they accomplished their goal, America would be in a tailspin as COVID spun out of control. Nancy Pelosi may have the fanciest collection of gourmet ice cream on the planet, and Elizabeth Warren may be an Indian, and Biden may be a candidate for a Visiting Angels commercial, but congress must act with the president in a national crises.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Oh, here it comes…

stanleybmanly's avatar

Very prescient ms. Melt The Congress would have better luck cooperating with a potted plant!

Patty_Melt's avatar

Buh dah bump

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Yellowdog . Cases of the virus, on the east coast, have been linked to Europe. Not China…
I know you believe everything Trump, but please don’t drink bleach….

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@MrGrimm888 . . . . or Aquarium cleaner or stick a UV light up your butt ! ! ! J..K.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^According to FOX news, we could all use more UV light in our colon… Don’t spread fake news…
You sound sarcastic…
I’ve been tanning, whilst holding my butt cheeks open, towards the Sun, for years. Guess who doesn’t have the CV-19, and has a well colored taint?...
Hint?

This guy!

You’re welcome…

LadyMarissa's avatar

The ONLY thing distracting trump from covid19 was his reelection pursuit!!! He did NOT care that he was being impeached because he was guaranteed not to be put out of office. In the modst of this pandemic, he has plenty of time to tweet attacks on those who don’t like him. He’s upset that covid is screwing up HIS plans!!!!

Yellowdog's avatar

@MrGrimm888 UV light in the spectrum of standard commercial lighting would do a lot to kill deadly viruses and bacteria. It i s already used in water filtration systems and to sterilize or eradicate microbes on surfaces and equipment.

Trump was briefed on UV lighting and biopharmaceuticals before commenting on them.

Jonsblond's avatar

It’s possible.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Yellowdog .
I am aware of the effects of UV lighting, on viruses…

Do you know, that plunging one’s self into lava, would also kill the virus?..

I do….

But… I wouldn’t be suggesting that people might try it. Nor would I ask a question about it being an effective treatment for the virus…

UV rays, can indeed kill viruses, on surfaces.
As can household chemicals.

Why would anyone (with any sense ) possibly even float the idea of ridiculous questions?

Could it be possible Trump, is incompetent?........

SQUEEKY2's avatar

You mean the fact at one of his feel good rallies he called Covid19 A democratic hoax?
One of our favourite fright wingers always leads in with uh He put Travel bans on from China, NO they were travel restrictions and look how well they worked.
With well over a million Yankees infected and over 70thousand dead yeh the Trump team is doing s super job, talking about injecting disinfectants, and putting ultra violet light in the body, then our most loyal fright winger quickly came to his rescue saying he was referring to pulmotect not disinfectant funny never heard the drug mentioned in the press hearing .
Now how can his impeachment have anything to do with the US’s horrible response to this Pandemic when he (Trump) says he takes no responsibility, this Pandemic is everyone else’s fault.Trump just wants his citizens to be brave little warriors and get back to work yeah some of you might get sick and others might die but damn it the economy has to get back on it’s feet in time for November’s elections.

seawulf575's avatar

I think it did. It was a huge distraction and kept the focus off the coronavirus. If you remember, on February 4th, during the SOTU address, the coronavirus was mentioned as being a threat:

” Protecting Americans’ health also means fighting infectious diseases. We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the Coronavirus outbreak in China. My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat.”

But that was shadowed by the impeachment going on. In fact, if you remember Nancy Pelosi during that speech, she was making little comments throughout and then tore up the speech at the end. Her focus was certainly not on Coronavirus…she didn’t care. She wanted Trump out of office…period. And on January 31st he implemented the travel ban from China as a first step in working to keep it out of the US. And what was the response from his political opponents? He was branded a racist and a xenophobe and it was used as just one more reason he needed to be impeached and removed from office.
In fact, the Democrats have been so obsessed with battling Trump that they have actively fought against every effort to battle the coronavirus. Having Trump acquitted of impeachment charges just stoked their fires more. On March 5th they introduced the “No Ban Act” to roll back his travel bans on China and Iran and to limit him from being able to take such actions in the future. Needless to say, it hasn’t gone anywhere because they later realized how stupid they would look for even putting it up for discussion. But it is still on the docket if they want to pull it out later.
So yes, I think impeachment interfered with actions against Coronavirus. Not only the distraction of the impeachment itself, but the overbearing hatred of Trump by the Dems.

josie's avatar

Seems likely that it would.

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 UV light is nothing more than radiation just above the visible light range. That being said, x-rays, gamma rays, etc also are radiation with even more energy. So while shining UV light on a surface might kill the virus on that surface, it doesn’t have enough energy to penetrate most surfaces very far. However, what if we used x-rays? x-rays are know to kill microbiologicals as well and would kill the virus. And it DOES have enough energy to penetrate to the lungs where this particular virus thrives.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Of course it was a distraction. It distracted politicians on both sides, the media’s reporting…everything. How short some of our memories are.

Soubresaut's avatar

@ragingloli‘s answer should have more GA’s than it does.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@seawulf575 . I understand that radiation, can kill a virus…Or cancer…And pretty much everything…

I also understand the physiology, of a fever…

Do you get the feeling that Trump, doesn’t?

He is woefully, unprepared, in most cases.

He has shown that he doesn’t understand many issues, that a POTUS, should have an idea of what his obligations are. Nor, how to do his job….

I don’t want to turn this, into another anti-Trump thread.
I have opined, that our entire government, has failed us…

However. Trump, really seems to have dropped the ball, on this crisis…

ragingloli's avatar

UV light also causes burns and skin cancer.
But sure, let us fry people with it from the inside. Bigly idea.

And yes, UV light is used to sterilise rooms.
The problem is that they have to be so powerful, that no human is allowed inside the room while the light is on.

seawulf575's avatar

@ragingloli And yet we give people x-rays every day. There are medical needs for it. And let me ask: If you had a horrible virus impacting your lungs and getting an x-ray would help, would you tell them “No thanks, I don’t want to get a sun burn.”? Ummm…no. As foolish as I believe you to be in many things, I don’t think even you are that silly.

seawulf575's avatar

Oh! and @ragingloli, you do understand why humans are not allowed to be in the room when the UV lights are going, right? It isn’t for their skin or their insides…it’s their eyes. UV light can do serious damage to eyes.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

So it doesn’t hurt the skin in any way?
Guess all I heard has been fake news,and X-rays have been known to be harmful, I guess that is the need for lead shields, or is that just some kind of joke?

Soubresaut's avatar

@seawulf575 are you being sincere or are you being combative? In what world where x-rays and UV-light cure coronavirus would those not already be the de facto treatments world wide? What is your goal with this line of argument?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

To defend Trumps stupid comments about disinfectants,making or trying to make us believe they were not that stupid.

Soubresaut's avatar

That certainly is how it reads.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 As a former Nuclear worker specializing in chemistry and radiation controls, I am quite familiar with not only how radiation works, but how it impacts the body and the hazards of using it. I also know that x-rays are what is called low-energy radiation. They can be harmful in large doses, but can be very useful in smaller doses. And I will hand you the same question I just challenged @ragingloli with: If you or one of your loved ones had a horrible virus impacting your (or their lungs) and getting an x-ray would help, would you tell them “no thanks, I don’t want to damage my skin.”?

seawulf575's avatar

@Soubresaut UV light has been used for a long time to kill germs…bacterial and viral. It has been used to sterilize surfaces on medical equipment for a long time. We know that. It was used extensively and proven effective against SARS which is similar to COVID-19. So that is a given. X-rays are just a higher form of radiation than UV light (which itself is a higher form of radiation from visible light). So if UV kills the virus, and we know it does, why wouldn’t x-rays? I can’t find anything that says it isn’t used or is used or that it has even been tried. So I’m throwing it out there for consideration.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

You have to weigh the pros and cons, that is a given.
And depend on how much help the Xray would provide, between my arthritic knees and the dentist I have had a ton of X-rays over the last few years.
But again you changed it to X-rays from ultra violet light, how about you show us how helpful ultra violet light in the body can be seeing your plugging it so hard?
Don’t you think researchers have explored it?
So we get rid of Covid and give people cancer from the radiation good trade, don’t know why they are not doing that full scale.

Yellowdog's avatar

A one-time X-ray would not cause cancer. Many of us get regular X-rays for the lungs or other parts of the body where there are conditions requiring them.

The possibility of using Ultraviolet and X-rays was suggested to Trump at a briefing by the Covid task force prior to the discussion which you are ridiculing.

And the only reason you are saying it is a ridiculously bad idea is because Trump said it.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Well yeah ,that and the disinfectant thing as well.
Now your just suggesting a theory ,the possibility that those ideas was brought to Trump prior the press hearing,OMG you will stop at nothing to protect your KING, oh yeah he just appointed himself king of the Jews, now run along and start defending that idiot remark as well, we know you can do it.
How many of your fellow citizens are going to have to die before you admit TRUMP dropped the ball on Covid19, oh yeah I forgot he takes no responsibility for any of this.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 I haven’t been suggesting UV light inside the body. However, if you want an example of how that could work, I suggest you check out brachytherapy. It is when a radiation source is placed right next to the area that needs treatment. Generally used following a lumpectomy for breast cancer. But the point is that if you wanted to use UV light, you could do something similar…run a small light source into the body near the lungs and shine it around for a brief period. And before you start trying to pooh-pooh that idea, I will say right up front that it would need some testing and some calculations to determine the strength of the light as well as the length of time it could be used.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I am not against anything just as long as it is done safely by the right professionals.

seawulf575's avatar

No kidding? You seem to be against pretty much everything. You have scoffed at every little thing that has been put out. Let me ask…how’s Canada progressing on a cure or a treatment of this disease? You have the much vaunted socialized medicine so you guys ought to have it licked by now. So…want to share?

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Waits patiently…

stanleybmanly's avatar

Why wait. Merely google Canadian per capita death and contagion rates in comparison with the United States. In the midst of an epidemic on the scale of this, only an idiot would bother to dispute the advantages of national socialized healthcare. This is the time when WE WISH we had the Canadian setup—a UNIFIED national health plan and NATIONAL COORDINATED facilities and administration to deal with it. You need national healthcare for EXACTLY the same reasons the country requires a national defense, and nothing serves to demonstrate the requirement for this like a galloping epidemic. You knuckleheads don’t even realize that this disease has forced bungling, idiotic, disjointed, enormously expensive SOCIALIZED healthcare on our STUPID country in place of the PLANNED Canadian network ALREADY in place.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly And that tells us what? That they have a cure? Nope. How about a treatment? Nope. It most likely tells us that their population density is significantly less than in the USA.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Cure? It’s a happy thought. But before jeering at the Canadian system for not devising a cure, take a look at those contagion snd death rates, then come here and tell us in which country you are more apt to die from the policies of YOUR government.

Soubresaut's avatar

@seawulf575, then @ragingloli already answered your question earlier. UV from the sun gives us sun burns because our skin protects the rest of the body’s organs. If you bypass the skin, then the UV light will burn other tissue, “fry people from the inside.” It’s not selective.

Doctors already use various forms of radiation in medicine for various applications all the time. Its application for medicine is well understood by doctors and other relevant experts.

One application: My uncle had lung cancer. His doctors were able to direct a beam of radiation at the cancer cells to kill those cells. The radiation also killed any of the good cells in its path as well, but on balance this loss was okay. The cancer was in a small, specific location (which is not how viruses work), and the body as a whole could manage the casualties. There is a point where radiation will do a patient more harm than good, and doctors know where this line is.

Killing the disease is only half of the battle. The other half, the harder half, is doing it in a way that the patient survives. And again, it’s the experts who know how best to do this.

The other issue is that spit balling experimental procedures is never something that is appropriate for a president to do on a podium, because of the import his position is supposed to give his words. (And yes, people will continue to hold Trump to the standards of a POTUS because that’s the job he asked for; he does not get a pass because he happens to be incapable of meeting those standards).

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly I’m sure even you can understand the concept of population density and how it impacts transference of a virus. But the point of the comment was that @SQUEEKY2 Is running down our country for what we aren’t doing, yet none of what he is whining about is being done in Canada. They haven’t really taken any actions at all to address the virus, except push for social distancing. They didn’t stop travel from China, they haven’t come up with any treatments…nothing. So while he is getting frothy about what actions the US is taking or isn’t taking, he might want to look at his own country first. Could any of the Canadians that died have been saved if they had instituted a travel ban? Could people that suffered but lived have been saved the pain if that travel ban had been done? Can they point to a cure or even a potential cure they are working on? It’s called hypocrisy and @SQUEEKY2 has it in spades.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I wouldn’t be so quick to label Squeek a hypocrite. After all, he is much more vulnerable to the actions of the Southern elephant than anything the beast will suffer from the North. It must be frustrating when the place the world looked to for leadership chooses to become the butt end of tasteless jokes.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

How about aggressive testing contact tracing and we are getting ahead of this twice as fast as the no three times as the states, as for a cure hows your wonderful private health system doing on a cure?
Careful @seawulf575 your hate is showing through.
Your wonderful leader just says time to get back to work some will get sick others might die but it’s time to get back to work and you show your hate towards me?
When you claim haters better look in the mirror and count the first one.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Also @seawulf575 hows the states doing for a cure ??
It might just be a Canadian that does find a cure for it we discovered insulin , and that has save countless lives over the years.
BUT NO your country says it’s not worth testing cause one minute your negative the next your positive, gee sounds like the need for more testing not less and to discover when a person first gets it go back and warn the people that one came in contact with so they don’t just spread it out of control, but no it’s time to get back to work and let the virus free.
Now forgive me from straying off topic a while back there was a topic on nuclear power and how clean you claimed it was, thats great but it’s the waste that is the problem, you said there would be no problem if it was incinerated , well the waste is mostly metal and incinerating it wont get rid of the radiation,just so you know .

Yellowdog's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Wulf was on the defense, not offense, as you suggest.

You have been knocking the States for what we are doing, or not doing, whereas Canada is doing less or nothing. It’s kind of like how you knock the United States citizens who want to limit illegal immigration, but then you don’t want illegal immigrants in Canada.

All of us are doing what we can in dealing with a pandemic in which we’ve had to learn as we go.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Explain how Canada is doing less in this pandemic?
We have been getting ahead of the curve with testing better social distancing and you say we are doing nothing?
You have ten times the population than we do I agree but take our infected and dead and multiply it by ten and you won’t get close to your numbers.
And we are doing nothing if Canada is doing nothing than you guys are doing less and your numbers atest to that.

Yellowdog's avatar

The overwhelming majority of these cases are in New York State (nearly all in the city of the same name), Illinois (a.k.a. Chicago), Connecticut, and New Jersey.

52% of the counties in the U.S. have seen no covid deaths.

I do not know anyone who has the virus, and I ask people regularly in stores, who do not know anybody, or know anyone who knows anyone, who has this virus. I suspect a lot do but have manifest no symptoms.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Yellowdog SO . . . . .
Trump got interfered with his GOLFING and had his supporters show up in large groups !!!

He still will not wear a MASK ! ! No wonder Melania hasn’t been within 200 feet of Donnie in a month.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Whether or not he wears a mask might well be determined by security.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Patty_Melt NOT SO !

It’s a medical thing and not security. Is he going to get COVID-19 because his valet, the guy that ties his tie and polishes his shoe, tested positive?? It is a better chance he will because he doesn’t wear a mask.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie It’s interesting you are so wound up about a politician not wearing a mask. I’ve never seen Governor Cuomo in a mask and he is the governor of the largest outbreak of Covid-19 in this country. I’ve never seen a number of other politicians not in masks. Yet they get great air time on the news…and zero complaints from you. Why is that?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

It’s always well your guy did this as well type thing,isn’t it with you?
Our guy did what? well your guy did this, never an answer and one you can’t answer like that it is pull out the hate card and slap it down that will shut em up.
How the fuck do you know Cuomo isn’t wearing a mask when out in public, and just takes it off for TV?
Trump claims to wear one too but you never see him on tv with it, but you don’t doubt him for a second right? After all Trump never lies.

Yellowdog's avatar

The double standard here, @SQUEEKY2 , is that you blast Trump for not wearing a mask before the camera, and say he is lying when he claims to off camera —— yet you say Cuomo who never is seen on television or in public in a mask, actually does when no one is looking so we cannot know since we are not there.

Cuomo has greatly mismanaged the COVID crises, ordering nursing homes, retirement communities, and other non-medical residential facilities where the elderly, convalescent, and compromised/frail reside and can’t leave to take in COVID patient overflow, while most of the new Javits Center and U.S.S. Comfort (which Trump outfitted to handle hospital overflow) were largely empty—with only a small fraction on their capacity utilized, resulting in ⅓ of New York’s deaths. Coumo was woefully unprepared for this pandemic, with only 500 ventilators ordered in 2015 when he was told he needed 15,000—all of which had been auctioned off—and then blames the Federal government. Most of the ventilators that finally reached New York still went unused, even though he bashed Trump who said he didn’t need 40,000.

It is a double standard when you bash the people who are actually DOING something amid a pandemic where thousands are dying and frontliners and volunteers are scrambling to improvise and work with what we can get—but call it deflection when we point this out, and when Cuomo is the one whose incompetence caused the emergency.

And I’ve never seen him in a mask.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Wake up @Yellowdog I have never bitched about masks and who wears them to anyone here or in real life.
Cute how it is so handy to blame a democrat for this virus, while claiming the republicans are doing everything, you wont but you should go back up this thread and click @ragingloli link as to when Trump was first told about this virus to when he he declared it a pandemic lot’s of golf and ego rallies between the two.
But you wont and continue to blow sunshine up your kings ass.
It is your Don Father saying time to get back to work and we will deal with the casualties as they happen now that sounds like a guy who truly carres.

Yellowdog's avatar

Remember, YOU are the one on offense here if you make the initial bash.

Responding or defending is not deflection.
What is so exasperating is you make some ascertaition and if anyone responds to it, you treat them like THEY are the ones doing the bashing or besmirchment.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Yeah you and wulfie are just the poor innocent ones simply defending the conservative way of life. you do your corporate masters very proud.
And please point out where I pointed out I blasted TRump for not wearing a mask, bet ya can’t.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Did you go up and see @ragingloli ‘s link?
No?? didn’t think so.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 it was @Tropical_Willie that was raving about how Trump was never wearing a mask. So I pointed out his double standard because he doesn’t say a word about the governor of the state which is ground zero for this nation in Covid-19 who never wears a mask. If wearing a mask when you are in public, making statements, is a big deal, then I think there are other targets that could be hit as well. If it is just trying to find something bad about Trump, then that is just deranged and obsessed. Your call. Which side of this are you on? Apparently on the deranged/obsessed side since you immediately jumped to his defense.

seawulf575's avatar

And, @SQUEEKY2 as for @ragingloli‘s link, it is nothing but a typical liberal blog. All one sided and only telling part of the story. It says Trump was told about coronavirus in China on ½/20 and then he went golfing a couple days and held a rally, etc. But that assumes he didn’t do anything else concerning the coronavirus. I know you WANT to believe that is how it is, but considering subsequent actions taken and information released, it looks like he had someone working on it the whole time. He talked about it during the SOTU address and got snubs from the Dems. So yeah, that link is basically crap. Sorry. But if you want to dig into who didn’t do what in a timely fashion, again…look at others and hold them to the same standard. I’m okay with saying our government didn’t take action quickly enough, but let’s look at all the players, not just select ones. As late as March, DeBlasio, the NYC mayor, was telling the public they were fine, to continue on with their normal lives, go to movies, shows, out to dinner…no biggie. And the left is silent about that. Mind you, that was after Washington state declared a state of emergency due to the virus and was instituting all sorts of actions. And Cuomo, the NY governor, was right in line with DeBlasio. So where are most of the cases in the US? Oh yeah…NYC. So let’s be honest about all the slackers.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Hey lets not forget Floridas Governor who let spring break proceed.
Or are we forgetting that one because he has an R on his coat instead of that horrible D?

Yellowdog's avatar

Florida, even though they have the highest elderly population and te highest Spring Break crowds and the loosest laws requiring beaches and shops to close, has actually managed the crises quite well, with only ⅓0th (that’s one thirtieth) the deaths as New York., even though there is more urban density overall in Florida.

If anything, with the lowest COVID cases in the country, maybe you should be looking at what Florida and DeSantis did right, compared to the governors of New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Connecticut.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Yellowdog we have to have both numbers deaths and infections.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Absolutely count him in. As long as you are willing to count in the D’s just as quickly as the R’s. The reality is that Trump has made some mistakes, but so have the Dems in Congress. As have many governors. But the key here is that we have to start being more honest about (a) what a mistake is and (b) not making excuses for or ignoring the errors. When I say we have to be honest about what a mistake is, we have to be careful about Monday morning quarterbacking, applying new knowledge to old actions. People are going to make decisions based on the information they have. I keep bringing up DeBlasio because to me, he made an egregious error telling people in March it was okay to continue gathering in groups as they always have. I don’t say that as Monday morning quarterback, I say it because there was already much in the news about how virulent this virus is and the impact it had on other cities. The other issue we have is that we are all in new territory. We have never shut our country down before and have no idea when or how we should bring it back. My personal opinion is that no two areas are alike. Bone Idaho is a lot different from Las Vegas Nevada. Forcing Bone to take the same considerations as Las Vegas is probably not required.
In the end, we will have to open up our country again. As will every other country that shut down. And when we do, there will be a spike in cases and deaths. It is inevitable. But hopefully people are at least a little more aware now than they were a couple months ago.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Well I gave you a GA for your last answer and have to agree, but as with your country as with mine opening should be done slowly and with health professionals at the wheel not politicians.

seawulf575's avatar

I think the sad reality is that it was the politicians that closed the countries and so they need to re-open them. Medical professionals need to be in on some of the decision making, but I don’t want my doctor figuring out my finances for me. I don’t want the medical professionals deciding economic issues.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I see where you are going but I am afraid that politicians in their hurry to reopen will put safety on the back burner, hence why we need health professionals pretty much in the drivers seat.
What good is a reopen if you kill off your customers or work force?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I’ve got family friends that are in the medical field; one is an ICU RN, he would really appreciate that medical professionals call the shots for re-opening the country. He has seen enough people die on ventilators from COVID-19.

@seawulf575 do you really want to put you mother or others at risk ?

Patty_Melt's avatar

I’m a mother. I’m staying indoors. I’m okay with others being out.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

You have to face it @seawulf575 politicians from both sides fucked up bad at the beginning of this crisis I really don’t trust them to get a reopening right either.
Politicians can call shotgun on this but it should be health professionals in the drivers seat.

MrGrimm888's avatar

At this point, I don’t trust the government, to be in the driver’s seat of a tricycle…

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Totally agree.^^^^^
All they do is blame each other for everything shit almost 4 years in and Trump is still blaming Obama.
Only extreme red necks would want him in charge of reopening.

Yellowdog's avatar

Why, then, have so many politicians banned Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19? It is widely used as a treatment but some states are having to sue their government in order to continue its usage. The drug has been in use for over 70 years.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996#!

and is an effective treatment.

In any case, what is Trump blaming Obama for? If this has to do with the Russia hoax, well, yeah—the Obama administration spied on and conspired against the Trump campaign and administration.

Last I heard, Obama, while finally endorsing Biden, was blaming Trump on COVID and his response to it.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Just the other day he blamed Obama for faulty covid 19 test kits, for one.
See politicians screwing up,that is why Health professionals need to be in the drivers seat for any countries reopening.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 It is a balancing act. You don’t want to put people at risk, but you also have to open things up. I’ve said before that all responses to this pandemic fall onto a spectrum. At one end is “do nothing, let it run its course”. At the other end is “shut everything down until 100% of the people can be innoculated and tested.” Any action in-between ends up moving closer to the “do nothing” end. I say this because if you do like the US did and close most things down, you still have people going out and interacting and spreading the disease. It is inevitable. And then, when you start to open things back up again, you will see more people interacting and will see a spike in cases (moving closer to the impact of “do nothing”). Eventually the people that are going to get it will get it and those that won’t, won’t. The only unknown in all this is how much damage will be done to the economy before we get back to some normal point. And don’t read that as a push to open things up again, I just don’t see any really path that doesn’t result in a spike in cases.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I am going to agree , that is why health professionals have to be in the drivers seat for reopening and doing so slowly, hell I want the Canadian economy back up and going as well but not at the cost of thousands of lives.
Slowly and certain things like sporting events, movie houses, night clubs will be the very last, unless of course human lives don’t matter.
And you last answer is clear as day why health professionals have to be in charge of any reopening NOT you or Trump or any state governor, or provincial premier .

seawulf575's avatar

The reason it has to be health professionals working with politicians is because you don’t want to slant too far to one side or the other. From strictly a health stance, moving all the way to the “shut everything down” end of the spectrum is what we should do. But that will destroy the economies of every nation in the world. Not to mention it will stress people out if you can’t go to the grocery store of the pharmacy or even outside. But it would be highly effective at stopping the spread of the virus. A health care professional thinks of the medical end of the immediate issue only. Politicians have a broader view of the economy and what the people want. But politicians are pretty slimy and will do whatever best benefits them. That’s why it has to be in tandem….doctors and politicians.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@seawulf575 I said that, just Health professionals in the drivers seat ,of course politicians riding shotgun.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Which leads us to an interesting experiment highlighting, or rather accelerating the great truth that whether you live or die might well depend on where you live. Those of us enabled through circumstance to “hide from death”, which in the main boils down to the rich, the retired, or those habituated to limited interaction with public—have the leisure to think about this while we sit around. Personally, I haven’t felt so useless since I broke my ankle 40 years ago, but that’s not the point. My bias is that I can stay home, but my own view is one of gratitude for politicians endowed with the sense to compel (as much as possible) those less inclined to “hide from death”. To my mind there are things worse than a collapsed economy—one of them being a stampede goldrush in the mortuary industry. Once again, good fortune and best wishes to you guinea pigs.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Shutting down 100% would kill far more people, by starvation.
Farmers who can’t sell their livestock or crops will go under, which leaves no supply for next year. Folks, we’re not talking reduced restaurant business here. I mean we will have no food supply. Trucks empty and parked. Stores begging for goods wherever they can be found. All restaurants close, even those little jingle bell tamale carts. Nothing produced is nothing marketed, nothing in the pantry.
If meat packing plants don’t open soon, you vegetarians will find out how important livestock is to even you.

seawulf575's avatar

Guess I have to get the slingshot, the crossbow, and the .410 out and practice a bit. Might need to go after game to feed the family!

stanleybmanly's avatar

Open season on liberals?

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s like being threatened by a 300 pound pork chop.

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