Is it possible that some people use the current corona virus isolation mandates as a way to justify their lack of motivation, laziness, loser tendencies and overall uselessness?

You are wrong, yes. I read your post as saying there are more lazy people taking advantage than people who are simply scared for their own lives and the lives of their loved ones.

The economy is being suppressed because some well-meaning people without malice wants YOU to SURVIVE this.

I suggest direct your frustations not to lazy people but to your idiotic and incompetent reality TV show host president. Go out there and ask him to resign. Those people protesting the lockdown should do this as well. That will actually make good use of their time protesting.

The human race has all types imaginable.

@mazingerz88
Something to consider
FYI
Not sure who my idiotic and incompetent reality TV show host president is.
Unless it is also your idiotic and incompetent reality TV show host president.
Which neither of us can do anything about until Nov.

“The economy is being suppressed because some well-meaning people without malice wants YOU to SURVIVE this.”

So you believe if I hide long enough the virus will go away and I can emerge someday into a virus free world?

No

No what?

Sure.

That’s nice bait there. Too nice to take.

@lucillelucillelucille
I think so too

@Patty_Melt
True that

@josie You can hide until a vaccine comes. Or not. Just be careful around people who are scared. Try not to think that badly of lazy people.

@mazingerz88
I’m not hiding
What are you saying

Shit so people that are scared of getting the virus and maybe dying are lazy?
Your right the economy is more important than human lives start her up long as your on the front line ,after all wouldn’t want anyone to think your lazy now.

@SQUEEKY2
Dude…
What?

If I was rich enough to put a sleazy lawer on retainer I would like the excuse to call me a sufferer of affluenza.
Im grateful for my shut-in ness to be covered by the crisis at hand.
Maybe I will follow the stream of temporary shut-in ness and get treatment that would be available for everyone when we reach that hurdel.

@josie Some people are getting out to service others…

I’m sure it’s possible there are people like that out there, anything is possible. Although I think the more common situation is the person who can’t stand being home for this long because they can’t be alone with their thoughts, they have few interests that don’t involve “socializing”, and they need a routine to keep themselves from going mad. Also, while some people may have welcomed the novelty of staying home, that novelty has long since worn off.

@Demosthenes
Sounds reasonable

So seems equally reasonable that people might rebel against forced isolation

@josie I want to ask you, what you are going to think is a real stupid question, but I want an answer from you why is drunk driving illegal, after all why should we care if the drunk kills them selves?

Not sure what you are asking
Suggest you think it over and ask me tomorrow.
Until then, best to you

Nope your refusing to answer I thought so.
Why is drunk driving illegal?simple enough?

Not refusing anything
Why would I do that?
You think I can’t respond to this nonsense?
Nonsense!
But you seem tired
Giving you chance to get back in your game.
Talk to you tomorrow

dear lord

You tell me why you wont answer the question?
I will answer seeming you can’t because it endangers others, simple enough.

Yep, like I said – bait.

Yeah and I am falling for it, sorry.

This weekend I made a broccoli and cheddar quiche. It was quite good.

Probably about the same amount of people who like grapes in chicken salad.

Yeah, I hope the old people keep dropping like flies so I can catch up on Netflix.

May be relevant.

Of course there are people looking for an excuse to avoid the drudgery of their jobs. How many would you guess despise their jobs? I’ll bet the numbers are considerable.

I’m not seeing that many lazy or useless people; however, I am seeing numerous people who are using it as a reason to be rude, mean, or just plain nasty

This for those who feel excessively inconvenienced.

The idea that there are hordes of lazy grifters just waiting for a chance to grift is a politically motivated myth. The vast majority of people just want a fair shake out of life.

@Patty_Melt thank you for the dose of perspective!

The best chronicle of the plague of 536 that you will ever see is in “Justinian’s Flea”, a brilliant analysis of the age and the disease. It’s also available on audio from your library and well worth the effort. I’ve read, then listened to it so many times, I’ve lost count. While the book has the disease as its primary focus, it is in fact a spectacular survey course on the history of the Byzantine empire from Constantine through the 6th century. The Nika riots and the erection of the Hagia Sophia following the revolt is like the rest of the book, a masterpiece of historical narrative. Give it a look. You won’t be sorry.

@raum How do the old folk keep you from bingeing on Netflix???

I never knew that unmotivated, lazy, useless people really ever needed an excuse.

There are people, who generally work very hard, but loved the time home with kids, pets, Netflix, and fresh baked goodies so much, they don’t want to stop.
Like a duck to water.

No it’s not possible, yes you are wrong.

Of course it is, anyone who doubts this is basically an ostrich :D
The vast majority of folks are frustrated & desperate to get back to earning their living, naturally so.
There are bound to be pockets of bone idle, good for nothing losers who, for them, this is one big wet dream.

Never mind, before too long we will be back to some kind of normal & these people will be exposed to the big bad world once more, time will catch up with them.

@seawulf575 “I never knew that unmotivated, lazy, useless people really ever needed an excuse.”

—yep. It’s not like Covid suddenly made people into useless freeloading zombies overnight.

@josie – I’m not convinced you really believe what you type sometimes.

@josie: “It is clear that some people are so desperate to get back to work that they are demonstrating in the streets.”

Is it clear? Or is it that there are some people who are really struggling to pay their bills, provide housing, and feed their family? Are they desperate to kill people via C19 just so they can go participate in a shit economic system for shit pay and little benefits?

@josie: “Some people seem to be pretty comfortable with the economic suppression and are willing to conform to State pressure.”

What if we had an actual economic system that wasn’t designed to have people choose between spreading a deadly virus or allow their family to starve and go homeless?

Your assessment of peoples’ motivation is firmly rooted in your deep ideological commitment to the concept that a person’s worth is measured in his/her ability to take sell their labor.

I’m not sure what things are like in your area, but around here (eastern MA), people are anxious and depressed. If they are lucky enough to have a job or work from home, the financial insecurity is crippling. You know it’s a matter of time. People are working twice the hours and twice as hard just to make sure they are not seen as nonessential.

And there are plenty of people who have lost their jobs, have been collecting unemployment at a fraction of what they earned, lost their health insurance (because the US is a shit country), and are on the verge of losing everything. These people don’t want to go to work and risk killing people and bringing it home to their loved ones. But they do want a fucking paycheck.

And for those of us lucky enough to still be able to work, this whole thing is still a nightmare. We can’t see our extended family or friends, our kids are depressed and losing large parts of their life, and we would love for things to go back to “normal” – if it means that we don’t agree to kill large parts of the population.

What if we were able to eliminate the economic, housing, health care, and food insecurity by providing income to everyone so that they could really isolate for a time? Is it possible that we could bring things back to “normal” more quickly and not have to kill our parents or siblings?

If your reflex is to assume that everyone is lazy and doesn’t want to work, look at your ideology and where this all comes from. It’s important to note that this obvious misanthropy is also targeted. You are not talking about those wealthy enough to be able to not work. You are not talking about multi-millionaires and those without financial burdens. You’re targeting the working class and poor. Think about why that is.

I don’t know how I would know this. The three weeks I was furloughed I got up each morning, walked 3 miles, came home and took one room at a time thoroughly cleaning and getting rid of stuff. Heck, I even cleaned the grout in my bathroom with a toothbrush! No one in my family is sitting around collecting a check. My 2 brothers that are retired are working more now than ever.
I don’t go to other people’s houses to know if they are laying on the couch all day.
I think if people are being useless, they were the same before the virus. You can’t change a person’s basic personality.

I think “useless” as defined by @josie may be very different than “useless” defined by most of us.

I generally work long hours added with a long commute.

If I can stay safe at home, at the same time enjoying being home, at the same time working from home, then it’s a win-win.

“It is clear that some people are so desperate to get back to work that they are demonstrating in the streets.”

I’ve seen these protesters. The majority of them are retired and just want others to work so they can sit their asses in their local dive bar, away from their wives.

@Jonsblond And an excuse to carry their guns around and look menacing.

@Jonsblond While I’m sure that some of the protesters are people who are genuinely desperate to go back to work, many of them seem to be the usual anti-government crowd who look for any excuse to bear arms in public, shout at government employees, and fly those confederate flags. So sorry if I don’t have much sympathy for these people. I’m desperate to go back to work too but I’m not out there acting like a POS.

@Demosthenes: And wear their MAGA hats.

@Jonsblond That is a pretty nasty sort of thing to say about elderly folks. Not to mention it is entirely ignorant.
This shows very young workers wanting to get the gyms re-opened as well as getting jobs opened up. The reporter says many of these are essential workers. This is in Florida.
This one shows more protesters, this time in Ohio. Looking at the picture, it looks like most of these people are young.
Here’s one that shows another crowd, this time in CA where most of the protesters are young.
And this has a whole slide show of coronavirus protesters around the country. Most of them are young people.
Not sure what YOU have been looking at or why you hate old people so much, but I’m going to say you are way off base on this one.
And to @Demosthenes, @janbb, and @jca2 I will say I don’t see a whole lot of guns, confederate flags, or MAGA hats. I think you guys need to stop stereotyping.

It’s not rocket science, people who need money want to go back to work and most of the people who don’t would rather stay home and stay safe. You’ll have a few outliers.

@seawulf575: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=wOtiMwsN&id=DDA4DD477A85983CDE135E40DF5AA3F1C60A05BB&thid=OIP.wOtiMwsNrXMmVvTUAm2ymAHaE8&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2F9xBw1z1bxmZkS0qJ1sH3j4Y3-YQ%3D%2F0x0%3A3600x2400%2F1200x0%2Ffilters%3Afocal(0x0%3A3600x2400)%3Ano_upscale()%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F19910809%2FGettyImages_1219473472.jpg&exph=800&expw=1200&q=anti+stay+home+protests&simid=608007192303830196&selectedindex=16&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&sim=11

Just google “Anti stay home protests maga” @seawulf575. There are too many to post.

@seawulf575 I live a mile from the Capitol in Wisconsin where there was a recent rally. I saw the people gridlocking my neighborhood streets. It was a bunch of old white men with Trump flags. As I drove my husband to work a truck in front of me had a sign that read: “Guns. God. Beer and Trump.”

None of these people were complaining about not having a job. If what I witnessed is nasty your issue should be with them not me. I’m only stating what I witnessed.

I never once said I hate old people. Good grief. Don’t put words in my mouth.

@jca2 I just googled “Coronavirus protesters”. I pretty much took the first four off the top. And that might be the difference…you were looking for something to poke at Trump, I was just looking at protesters. I guess if you go looking for something you can find it, eh? And, BTW, in the pic you linked, there were no guns, confederate flags, or MAGA hats. There was a MAGA flag though, I’ll give you that.

@Jonsblond “I’ve seen these protesters. The majority of them are retired and just want others to work so they can sit their asses in their local dive bar, away from their wives.” You can see where I get the idea of your views about old people. I’m assuming you don’t personally know any of the protesters, right? So that statement is pretty much how you view retirees that don’t agree with your views.

^ Believe what you want. I don’t care because you are wrong.

Oh come on. Statistically, the protestors are an intersection of Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists, and people who identify as right-wing or alt-right, and they’re making a mockery of “freedom” as they march around pretending theirs is in some sort of peril because they’re being asked to wear a mask. They want to believe that they’re crusaders against some grand injustice. They’re not. They’re willfully pretending, or have been convinced, that this is an argument between people who want to shut the economy down and people who want to keep the economy running. It’s not. It has never been. There are people who want to figure out how to balance economic needs with the demands of a health crisis, and people who want to act like that is asking for too much.

If the protestors want to speed up economic recovery, they should protest for increased testing, improved contact tracing, increased (and proper) wearing of masks, continued use of social distancing and hygiene practices, better regulations for protecting workers from transmission, better federal strategies for supporting the economy through the worst of it, etc.

What I have been seeing doesn’t run like that. People are attacking governors. There might be maga seen in some places, but states with Republican governors seem to be under fire from Dems (Mostly), and vice versa.
I see lots of people scared, some to hysteria. There is a lot of political finger pointing, but the fact is, quite a lot of people don’t know what to be most scared of.

@Patty_Melt I’m not sure we’re in disagreement? I know that most of the protests call out the names of the governor of the state the protestors are in and I know that some of the protests are calls for more/better action against coronavirus, but as far as anti-coronavirus protests go, they are saturated with sentiments about “freedom” against “tyranny” (and all matter of phrasing to that effect). I guess I should clarify that when I said “intersection,” I didn’t mean the people who are at the center of a Venn diagram of those things, I meant like a street intersection, where paths cross—that these types of protests are largely attracting people from those kinds of groups.

Do you agree that people who are angry and/or scared and feeling the need to protest would be better served protesting for things like I mentioned in my second paragraph, things that would improve outcomes for everyone?

I think a lot of energies are being misplaced. I don’t think anyone is at fault, mostly. Everyone has their way to face anxieties. Whatever confusion people feel, they aren’t that far off from POTUS, or governors. The whole freaking world was lied to, initially. Then stuff started getting tragic as hell in Europe.
John Powell was gonna take a cruise, others were afraid to bring in their mail.
We keep running into new questions faster than new answers, and stimulus checks aren’t stretching far enough for groceries, let alone housing costs.
People need to be sources of strength, rather than finger pointing.
Do I think it is wise to cram the streets with bodies to protest, I do not. Still, it is the same panic that causes a mother to throw her child out a window, if the firefighters can’t get there.

@seawulf575 I speak about people I know or who I’ve encountered in life. I don’t share assumptions from what I’ve witnessed on tv, unlike you. I moved to one of the most progressive cities in the Midwest from one of the most rural, redneck small towns in Illinois. I’ve seen it all.

@Jonsblond I find that interesting. I used to speak about people I know or who I’ve encountered in life. Know what I heard from every liberal on these pages? Everything from “you’re lying” to “that’s anecdotal and means nothing”. Which answer would you like? I could tell you about the protesters I saw downtown the other day. They were all middle-aged and younger. No gray hairs in the crowd. And your statement was very broad…all encompassing. “I’ve seen these protesters” means you have seen them everywhere. You’ve seen them all. I know you got torqued off at my response to your statement. Maybe you need to look at your statement from how a complete stranger would see it.

<yawn>

@Patty_Melt, I agree completely that protesting in crowded streets (or gathering like that for other reasons) is a bad idea.

In concept, I think I can appreciate what I believe you’re saying, that people are well-meaning and doing things that are bad ideas out of some other motivation (you name fear specifically).

But I do think that there is an important difference between saying “what they’re saying/doing is understandable,” and “what they’re saying/doing is understandable, but they are misguided in what they are doing, and it will not have the outcome they say they want.”

… Without the “but,” I think the meaning is very different.

I also don’t think these protests need to be understood, much less broadcast around the country as an up-and-coming grass roots movement. They were started by small fringe groups and encouraged by people with plainly political motivations. It was attention giving these fringe groups, much of it framing them as “understandable” and omitting the giant, pandemic-shaped “but,” that has lent artificial credibility to bad ideas, and convinced people who are scared (and others who are simply inconvenienced) that they too should join the bad idea, because they understand its sentiment (but not its many, many real and painful costs).