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Yellowdog's avatar

Do you believe it is 'right wing' and 'neo-Nazi' groups doing the rioting and looting?

Asked by Yellowdog (10788points) 1 month ago

This issue was raised several times today on ‘mainstream’ news—that it’s not leftist groups like ‘Antifa’ but militant right wingers posing as leftist groups.

The problems I have with this view, is, well, first of all, there aren’t that many of them. And why would ‘right wingers’ want to burn down and destroy private businesses, monuments, churches—and beat up the police?

Are these right wing groups posing as leftists?

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Soubresaut's avatar

I can think of a few reasons why neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, alt-righters, and others of similar ilk might think it advantageous to derail protests that seek racial justice and equality under the law, while simultaneously getting to destroy buildings and businesses in highly diverse cities.

But I don’t think we really know enough to know who’s doing what, or what their rationale is. At least, I haven’t seen enough to know.

kritiper's avatar

Anarchists.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Gee if they stir up shit and the Lefties get all the blame ,think that might have a little to do with it?

Demosthenes's avatar

No. I think this one is mainly on the anarchists/Antifa. At least they are exacerbating it. But not in every case. Sometimes it’s just the townspeople (especially those doing the actual looting. They often seem to be black, from the photos I’ve seen).

Darth_Algar's avatar

Gee, why would the little ‘ole Neo-Nazis be opposed to the negros standing up for themselves?

Patty_Melt's avatar

Several aggressors arrested here are from other states, including some juveniles.

ragingloli's avatar

Listen, kid.
If Fat Slob Barr can just announce with no evidence at a press covfeference that “antifa” is responsible, I can assert with just as much certitude that fine people right wingers and neonazis are to blame.
#GleiwitzIncident
#Reichstagfire

canidmajor's avatar

Yes, some.
Why are you using ‘quotes’ for terms like Neo-Nazis and right wingers?

ucme's avatar

Label them whichever way you want, they’re all lawless fucking scumbags to me.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Not really. I’m sure some of the extremist groups are meddling like linked above but they don’t really need to for this mess to happen. The looting is being done by opportunists and the violence by angry people and those wanting the excitement and spectacle of watching it all burn. It’s sad that this is the state of things. These conditions are just a breeding ground for this behavior. People want to blame some group or political motivation for the carnage but the truth is this is human nature playing out and certain elements in our society are capable of these things. Sleep tight.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Probably opportunists and anarchists. They’re lots of whites on camera looting.
WS would be more interested in hurting blacks imo.

josie's avatar

See much of above.

No. I don’t believe that.

Any more than I believe it is black people pissed off about the cops killing a man without justification.

People sympathetic to the peaceful protesters say that, so that you won’t accidentally imagine that burning and looting is part of the protest, thus making the the peaceful protest less legit.

It’s part of the current anarchistic underground combined with opportunists who want free alcohol or a new flat screen TV.

But it really doesn’t matter what label you put on them.

They are violent criminals (and should be treated as such) in contrast to the folks marching, shouting slogans, and carrying signs, who are legally exercising their entitlement.

gondwanalon's avatar

Why would crazy SOB’s that hate black people protest the murder of a black man?

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

White nationalists are involved. Pretending the choice is between “the anarchists/anti-fa did it” and “the right/white nationalists did it” is a fallacy, pretending that it can’t be both. It is both.

Why would crazy SOB’s that hate black people protest the murder of a black man?

The idea that the US is on the verge of a race war is common among radical conservatives. They are trying to create one.

They were using the lockdowns as a focus – like the radical whites who carried rifles into the Michigan state legislator to intimidate lawmakers. Now they have a new opportunity.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay According to this, you are correct. Although I can’t find hard proof just hearsay.

Department of Safety Commissioner John Harrington said they are contact-tracing the arrested and added that an investigation is underway about white nationalist groups posting online to encourage their members to use the protests as a cover to create chaos.

He said some of the 40 arrests made in the Twin Cities Friday night were of people linked to white supremacist groups and organized crime.

https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/

Also here:
On Twitter, Evans has said he does not think the Boogaloo group is behind the destruction of property. Vice News’ Tess Owen wrote about the Bugaloo Bois, anti-government extremists recognizable by their Hawaiian shirts, that “in addition to their physical presence at the protests, the #boogaloo hashtag on social media has been flooded with memes in the last couple days egging on violence, and talking about how they hope this is the beginning of a civil war.”
https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Dutchess_III's avatar

I believe It’s just young men raised in shitty, violent circumstances who think that destroying things, and looting, is perfectly justified and look forward to the opportunity to do so. Politics is the last thing on their mind.

Lightlyseared's avatar

@gondwanalon what makes you suppose that the rioters are protesting anything? Some people just like to riot and any excuse to do so.

Dutchess_III's avatar

^^^ Exactly. I was in a riot in 1979. Most of the young men involved were just having a blast.

rockfan's avatar

Cops are also instigating violence. I’ve seen videos of cops carelessly spraying pepperspray into crowds of peaceful protestors, and even kicking down elderly people and young women. They should be prosecuted, along with the violent looters.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@rockfan Preach! I’ll be very honest, those video’s are incendiary. And I noticed it’s mostly white elderly and handicapped video’s I’m seeing, which seems a little odd.

JLeslie's avatar

Yes!

I believe it is both ANTIFA and WS and I think they both are anarchistic groups and both getting messaging from people and governments who want to destroy America. I think some of the messaging is coming from the same sinister people to both groups.

gondwanalon's avatar

@Lightlyseared So the riots and looting are not a retaliation against the murder of George Floyd? Just a bunch of young folks having fun? Oh, sorry a bunch of white supremacy SOB’s having fun? In that case wouldn’t it be great if Trump would use military to end the lawlessness.

JLeslie's avatar

@gondwanalon You don’t think there are people capitalizing on the unrest and looting because they can probably get away with doing it right now?

Why do so many people think there is only one type, or only two types, of people in these crowds?

There is all sorts of crazy going on right now.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Of course there are people capitalizing on the unrest for gain. There always are. They could care less about black lives matter or anything else, as long as they get that TV. They are thugs.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Caravanfan The fright wingers here wont believe that link,just like they won’t believe you over Trump on that drug that isn’t proven for Covid19,all because you aint a Trump lover. SAD HUH??

Patty_Melt's avatar

@SQUEEKY Shall we discuss the lawlessness going on in Canada in the name of George?
Toronto, Montreal, Calgary.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I don’t condone lawlessness in any country . So what do you want to discuss about it?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Well NBC’s bias rating is very left so what is there to say?
It may or may not be true. Nothing much to say.

NBC News bias is Lean Left. AllSides finds that NBC News’ reporting is consistent with a Lean Left bias; its reporting often OMITS right-leaning perspectives and generally has a leftward bent, focusing on topics of importance to left-leaning Americans.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/nbc-news-media-bias

janbb's avatar

I believe in facts, not “beliefs,” in cases like this. We can all opine from our own biases in this case but until there is data on who is doing the rioting, I’ll reserve my judgment..

basstrom188's avatar

No its the leftists and Democrats

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’ll say again @basstrom188….the thugs doing the looting do not have any political leanings. They don’t vote. They pay as much attention to politics as a 3 year old does. They are neither liberal or conservatives. They are just assholes.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess I’m not sure you’re wrong after seeing so many in it to steal, of all colors and races.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Looters sure but the agitators are from the extremes of the left and right and are very political.

Dutchess_III's avatar

You really think career looters need an agitator as a go between @ARE_you_kidding_me? All they need is a protest of some kind. That’s their cue.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Nope, but the agitators are not looting, they’re confronting the police violently or instigating violence. Looting is a side issue.

hmmmmmm's avatar

Relevant links to some clips on “agitators” and “thugs” (also known as “the police”):

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Dutchess_III's avatar

Yeah. They aren’t helping. Trump is most certainly not helping either.

Lightlyseared's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me generally from the news and videos of the demonstrations it seems the police are the ones confronting people violently and instigating the violence. Although maybe that’s because of all the footage of them attacking multiple foreign journalists.

The looters are just taking advantage of the fact the police are busy else where.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

“generally from the news and videos of the demonstrations it seems the police are the ones confronting people violently and instigating the violence”

If you’re watching the news that’s exactly what you would think.

Lightlyseared's avatar

Well maybe if the police stopped repeatedly brutally attackImg the news reporters standing well, well back from the action the rest of the world would be able to see that the police are nothing but innocent hard working public servants who are just being cast in a bad light by the media.
It would also help if they stopped putting their knees into people’s necks and slamming kids faces into the ground, randomly shooting people and behaving as if they’re able the law.

Oh… I’m sorry they are above the law.

…and you wonder why people think that America is a tinpot dictatorship.

Yellowdog's avatar

Yes, that happens a lot.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I saw one video where a cop violently shoved an older person down…and 3 cops rushed in to help the person up. I hope cops start being replaced.

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