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What is your opinion of this letter from The Vatican, Carlo Maria Viganò Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana, to President Trump?

Asked by Yellowdog (10796points) 3 weeks ago

June 7, 2020
Holy Trinity Sunday

Mr. President,

In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.

These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day – if they do not repent – yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.

In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness – whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days – have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.

We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.

Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops – such as those whom I recently denounced – who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.

The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good – who are the majority – wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.

Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.

United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

Carlo Maria Viganò
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America

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24 Answers

Dutchess_III's avatar

That’s a lot of words for me, not to mention for someone who can’t read.
As for what I think, it’s a bunch of superstitious nonsense and stupidity. “Mainstream Media” covers dozens of sources. Not all of those sources are out to mislead and lie.
It was a stupid letter.

LostInParadise's avatar

What do you think about what the Pope said?

Dutchess_III's avatar

I think I love Pope Francis! My BIL is racist as hell, and a Catholic. I hope he gets wind of what the Holy Pope has to say about racism.

ragingloli's avatar

A regular nutjob that has bought into, and is pushing insane conspiracy theories.

rebbel's avatar

Said one clown to the other…

mazingerz88's avatar

Total bullshit. trump is part of that darkness this Archbishop talked about. Somewhere near the anal region of that darkness. The Archbishop missed his meds when he wrote that.

kritiper's avatar

There is too much there to read to provide the short simple answers I like.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Yellowdog What’s YOUR opinion of this screed? Would you allow your signature to appear on this raving nonsense?

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

There are hard-right extremists among the clergy.

A little googling shows that Carlo Maria Viganò was the weasel behind faking the Pope’s support for gay-hating Kentucky clerk Kim Davis.

National Catholic Reporter – March 18, 2016
“Vigano gained notoriety last September when it emerged that he set up a secret meeting between Francis and Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who briefly went to jail for refusing to sign marriage certificates for gay couples…

”...It turned out, however, that the pope had been as blindsided as everyone else. He didn’t know who Davis was, church officials said, nor did he understand the implications of meeting her, and he was reportedly furious that his chief diplomatic representative in the U.S. had arranged the decidedly undiplomatic meeting.”

jca2's avatar

Too long to read.

It seems the person writing the letter is looking to promote himself.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well. This has been an enlightening conversation.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

He must be really well-respected to have the Ulpiana position. The city was abandoned 1,600 years ago and exists only as an archeological site uncovered in the 1950s.

chyna's avatar

Don’t care what some obscure position with the Vatican thinks.
Also, what is the source of this letter?

jca2's avatar

I googled this letter and could not find it in any credible online sources.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Apparently the guy is a liar and a cheat article

Jaxk's avatar

I like the message but there is too much ‘Pomp and Circumstance’ and not enough ‘Meat and Potatoes’ to be very persuasive. At least for an American audience. IMHO

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Interesting. All of the messages in there? I thought I read something about people protesting as taking advantage of this pandemic to push their dark agendas. Or something to that effect.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

I like the message

Your kind of people, eh?

Carlo Maria Viganò
“And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops – such as those whom I recently denounced – who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.”

Southern Poverty Law Center – The Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy
“By far the most popular conspiracy theory in the radical traditionalist pantheon is the idea that Jewish Masons, or alternatively Masons under Jewish control, have been working secretly for some 300 years to take over and deform the Catholic church—the so-called Judeo-Masonic conspiracy.”

“The best-known iteration of this theory appears in a book by Catholic Family News editor John Vennari…Vennari argues that Jews push the rationalistic beliefs of the Masons, who supported notions of human equality and social progress, as a tool to serve Jewish interests.”

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Darth_Algar's avatar

Just more stark-raving nonsense by a conspiracy nutter and known liar who’s in poor favor with the Church.

MrGrimm888's avatar


I’ll try to keep this brief…

Given the history of the Catholic Church, I find most comments hypocritical, at best.
A plague, casting aspersions, on the common cold…..

Strauss's avatar

The letter was “ghost-written” according to this article in the New York Times.

zenvelo's avatar

I think His Holiness Francis l would have a problem with this, and might advise the Archbishop to confer with his confessor before writing anymore letters.

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