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What will Musk reveal on Sep 22?

Asked by crazyguy (1091points) 1 month ago

Tesla has its annual stockholders’ meeting on Sep 22. That meeting will be followed by Tesla’s battery day, at which Tesla is expected to announce the latest technological improvements in battery design and manufacturing. Expectations range from cost reductions to longer range and faster charging. What are you expecting?

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Darth_Algar's avatar

He will announce the upcoming arrival of X24–538Y-2b Musk, Redeemer and Destroyer of mankind.

Smashley's avatar

I think their new aluminum fabricators are far and away the most interesting thing about what is basically just another car company. Those have the potential to actually change how cars are designed.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

A lithium ion battery or better being made.

crazyguy's avatar

@Darth_Algar I am not sure how to interpret your answer, except as an attempt at humor.

crazyguy's avatar

@Smashley Are you talking about their new casting machines rumored for the Berlin Gigafactory?

crazyguy's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 That is a safe answer, since Tesla already uses lithium-ion batteries.

hmmmmmm's avatar

Hopefully some more amazing wisdom about Covid-19 or maybe some good deal on replacement lithium batteries.

Caravanfan's avatar

@hmmmmmm Once again, we are in agreement. I think Musk is scum. I will buy an electric car eventually, but not planning on a Tesla.

crazyguy's avatar

@hmmmmmm Personally, I am not expecting Musk to venture into the murky waters of covid-19. But just like Trump, Elon is a free spirit; so you never know. New battery chemistry – more likely.

@Caravanfan All I can say in response to your message is that whether the man is personally scum or not has NOT A THING to do with whether he is a genius or not.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Trump, a free spirit? He’s a free spirit in the model of Al Capone or Bugsy Siegel.

Darth_Algar's avatar

A genius? I dunno. He just kinda seems like another wealthy asshole with money to throw around who can hire people to create stuff to make him look “genius”.

Caravanfan's avatar

Geniuses can be fucking assholes. Musk proves it.

crazyguy's avatar

@stanleybmanly I guess you do not know Elon. In 100 years from now, when you and I and Elon are long gone, historians will look back upon this period and marvel at how one man could alter the course of history.

crazyguy's avatar

@Darth_Algar Your prejudice against anybody with a few bucks to spare is showing, my friend. If you knew many “wealthy assholes”, you would fast realize that Elon is nothing like them. Just watch Tesla’s Battery Day on Sep 22. When you get to see the man, then do some research on him.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan I would not disagree with the first part of your post. However, I can, and do, disagree vehemently with the second part of your statement. I know Elon well from watching his many presentations and riding in the saddle with him through many ups and downs – in addition to owning two Teslas, we are also Tesla stockholders.

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy Ah, so you have given him a bunch of your money. I can see why you’re defending him.

Caravanfan's avatar

“In 100 years from now, when you and I and Elon are long gone, historians will look back upon this period and marvel at how one man could alter the course of history.”

Spoken like a true cultist.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

Nope. I quite like many people with great amounts of wealth. (For example: I quite like Leo Messi, who gets a salary of around $80,000,000 a year to kick a ball around a field.)

Musk, however, is an asshole because he acts like an asshole, not because he is wealthy. Case-in-point: giving his child a name that coldly reads like something out of a catalog of celestial objects, rather than a name that a real person would have.

And contrary to what his fanbase believes: he did not invent the electric car. Hell, he didn’t even found Tesla. He bought into the company well after it was started and gradually bought an ever increasing stake in the company. His fans remind me somewhat of the Steve Jobs cult – where every single thing he did, even the shits he took in the morning, was “revolutionary”.

gorillapaws's avatar

I think it could be larger cells (some are speculating a diameter of 54mm). This would increase energy density, reduce weight and significantly speed up production, which could result in a large reduction in costs. That’s going to put even more pressure on the industry to electrify their product lineups.

Here’s a link to a video that goes into the details.

Love or hate Musk, there is no denying that Tesla is catalyzing the EV transition. They’re “bending the curve” which will have a massive impact in reducing fossil fuels. They also manufacture much more of their vehicles domestically than other US auto manufacturers.

I’ve had my Model 3 for about 2.5 years now, and I still get excited to drive it.

Caravanfan's avatar

I have nothing wrong with the cars. I have a problem with the prick at the head of the company who thinks he knows more than I do about now to properly mechanically ventilate a patient. I have a problem with him ridiculing those of us are afraid of complications by taking a Trumpist “it will just go away”.

I also think his Starlink satellites are an abomination and may ruin amateur astronomy forever.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@crazyguy Musk may well be a genius, but to assert that Trump is in the same category is the worst sort of poppycock.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Cybertruck window that is really unbreakable, not this

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan I have indeed invested in Tesla, both the technology and the company. But I did that because I admired the man and his companies, not the other way round. I predicted last year that Tesla will become the premier auto manufacturer in the world, and its stock would hit $5,000 per share by 2030. I still hold to that prediction, even though the stock has split 5:1 in the interim. Therefore, I see $25,000 per share on the old unsplit basis in 10 years.

crazyguy's avatar

@Darth_Algar I am glad to know that it is not a case of dollar envy. So you don’t like him because he gave his son an unpronounceable name, and because he did not invent the electric car? By the way, do you know that Steve Jobs did not invent the smart phone?

crazyguy's avatar

@gorillapaws I leased my first Model S in 2016. I leased it because I suspected the technology would change. It did, and in 2019, I took the plunge and purchased a 2019 Model S, whose range was over 360 miles. This year I bought a Model Y for my wife. In 2016 I also started buying stock in the company. However, my investing has not been disciplined. I have sold most of my shares for short-term gains, thinking the stock price is going up too fast. I am becoming more disciplined.

To me, Elon is an un-celebrated genius, kinda like Galileo. His white paper on the hyperloop is astoundingly well-detailed and brilliant.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan Let me ask you this: does he know more than you about ventilating a patient? He definitely knows more about it than I do. Also, if covid does not go away soon, we’ll all be screwed, anyway, so that statement of his doesn’t bother me.

And I LOVE driving Teslas.

crazyguy's avatar

@stanleybmanly I compared the “free spirit“s of Trump and Musk. I wish you guys would read, and try to understand, the thrust of those words.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Solid state batteries.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

No. As I said: I dislike him because he is an all around asshole. I listed one example. I do not base my judgments of people on a single example, however.

Smashley's avatar

@crazyguy – Indeed, though I’m pretty sure it’s more than a rumor.

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy “Let me ask you this: does he know more than you about ventilating a patient?”
I can guarantee 100% that he does not know more than I do.

Caravanfan's avatar

(and for everybody else, I’ve got this one)

crazyguy's avatar

@Darth_Algar I think whether Musk is an a$$hole or not is tangential to the question I asked. BUT I’ll humor you: why do you think Musk is an all around a-hole?

crazyguy's avatar

@Smashley I think you are right. A new way of fabricating a car body will be far-reaching, indeed. However, would it be as much of a game changer as a cheaper, longer-range, faster charging battery?

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan Interesting. Are you a doctor, or a researcher?

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan Would it be too much to ask you to elaborate a little? If you prefer, you can message me privately.

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy I am a critical care physician in charge of an intensive care unit.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan That is awesome. Are you seeing younger patients in the last three months or so?

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy Not sure it’s awesome or not. It’s just my job. We have a large mix of patients of all ages. If you’re asking if we’ve seen younger Covid patients, the answer is yes, but “young” means in the 40s.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan What I meant was are you seeing a trend towards younger patients?

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy No, it’s about the same as it’s always been.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan Thanks for your straight answers.

gorillapaws's avatar

So larger cells, tabless design, improvements in the manufacturing process and chemistry, structural batteries incorporated into the frame. In the aggregate, these innovations total huge costs savings, increases in range (and likely battery recharge speeds). The elusive $25k “everyman” car that Elon has wanted to make for over a decade seems closer to reality (he says 3 years?).

No Earth-shattering revelations, but I think it’s becoming clear that Tesla is WAY in the lead of any other auto company and the moat just got much wider. It’s still early days for this technology, and problems can and will arise, but long-term this looks very promising. Legacy auto isn’t even thinking about these ideas, let alone beginning to work towards implementing them.

They’re also getting close to the boundaries of what would be required for battery powered aircraft. Ultimately that will have a major impact on carbon emissions.

crazyguy's avatar

@gorillapaws I agree.

Judging by the stock market response, his revelations were a dud. However, to me the revelations were just as expected, with one exception. Unless I missed it, there was no mention of a “million mile” battery.

Caravanfan's avatar

Still not buying one while Musk is in charge.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan There are many other options in EVs.

Caravanfan's avatar

@crazyguy Oh, I know it. But my old beat up 15 year old Rav4 is still plugging along so I’m going to hold off a couple of more years. Hopefully by that time the competition will be more even. Right now I think Tesla really makes the better car.

crazyguy's avatar

@Caravanfan So you may buy a second-grade car just because Tesla is headed by Elon?

Smashley's avatar

@crazyguy – I feel like there’s diminishing returns on battery technology, and improvements are important, but don’t move the needle much for what is ultimately possible.

crazyguy's avatar

@Smashley WOW! You hit the nail on the head. The curve Elon showed early in his presentation had the cots of a battery per kWH flattening out. However, after his presentation, he showed the modified curve which ain’t flattening out at all!

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