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Pelosi is holding up aid to unemployed Americans in order to secure help for state and local government. Should she throw in the towel?

Asked by crazyguy (1363points) 1 month ago

Pelosi and Mnuchin have been negotiating a new coronavirus relief package for several months now. The House passed a $3.2 trillion package that was DOA in the Senate. After several rounds of negotiations with the White House, the best Republican counteroffer was $1 trillion. Yesterday, the House passed a trimmed-down version totaling $2.4 trillion. The White House has upped its offer to about $1.5 trillion. The good news is the two are still talking.

The major sticking points seem to be the amount of federal assistance to the unemployed on top of state unemployment compensation, direct payments to Americans, liability protection
for businesses against covid claims and aid to state and local governments.

How much time are you willing to give Pelosi before saying: “Enough already!”

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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

She has another chance Nov. 3 to regain the Senate. If she doesn’t then she is just wasting her time. Maybe in 2024/2028, she can run for president? Humans only have so long that one can bang ones head against the wall before giving up? At least she has a high paying job and excellent health coverage.

crazyguy's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 She will be 84 in 2024, so I think a run for President is not on the cards. Winning control of the Senate is possible, however, any relief passed with the new Senate may be much too late.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@crazyguy Ok. She seems healthy enough to run for now. I didn’t know that she was 80. We will see who runs in 2024/2028. Trump and Biden are in the mid 70’s and I wouldn’t know that they were senior citizens unless someone told me.

crazyguy's avatar

Trump cannot. Biden would barely make it through his first term, so he won’t. My bet is Harris against Nikki Haley.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@crazyguy Jimmy Carter is very active and he is in his 90’s. I would like to see him go for his second term as president. Age is just a number . I wouldn’t rule out anyone just because of a number. People can live till 120 and maybe even more with medical and health advancements. I get livid at age restrictions on tenured university positions been caped at 65, 67. It would take me 30 years to get to that level just to be told that I have aged out of the position would piss me of. I wouldn’t discriminate against the aged in politics.

crazyguy's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 I agree 100%. Leave it to the American voters – they are smart as a group.

kritiper's avatar

However much time it takes. Pelosi isn’t the whole government and whatever is decided that’s best by a group for the whole is good enough for me.

AlaskaTundrea's avatar

Since it takes two to tango, cliche aside, why are you blaming Pelosi when the GOP is just as guilty of slowing things down. She is only one half of the equation. Of course, now the Senate has gone on a two week break…. and I think that was wise given the circumstances…. not sure how this will turn out. While Trump sits in a hospital with 24/7 care and the best doctors and equipment, we little guys are at the mercy of our own wallets and limited resources. Pelosi can’t fix that alone.

kritiper's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 Despite the age some live to, the median age for men is 76 years, 2 months. Which means that 50% die before that age. Not a point to trifle with!

crazyguy's avatar

@AlaskaTundrea Pelosi is in a position to provide some aid now and try to provide the extra later.

@kritiper Pelosi is trying to bail out Democratic governments in several states and counties using Covid aid as an excuse. She can leave that fight to another day and move on with the needed help now.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

” Pelosi is trying to bail out Democratic governments in several states and counties using Covid aid as an excuse”. Sources please @crazyguy and Breitbart doesn’t count.

seawulf575's avatar

I have to think that when the first Covid relief bill came out, Pelosi and the Dems pushed for a $3T package that was filled with pork, and they got it. Now they are back to asking for that same size package. The Repubs know the people weren’t happy with a lot of useless spending put into a bill for coronavirus relief. They aren’t willing to go down that path again. So I think that it is well past time for Pelosi to bite the bullet and just give up the idea of pushing more crap into the bill.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Well no new source !

And in your humble opinion . . . . . GOP vomit.

crazyguy's avatar

@seawulf575 I agree 100%. Except I believe the first package was not quite as large.

LogicHead's avatar

No, that is the opposite of what she is doing.

Aid to Americans is one thing. Act on that.
Aid to governments is another and separate thing.
She is trying to attach a ‘rider’ by threat to a bill unrelated to what she wants. what SHE wants.

crazyguy's avatar

@LogicHead I am not sure, but I think you agree with my position?

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

I maybe confused but. . . I thought the House sent a bill to the Senate for aid and “Moscow” Mitchell is holding it from being voted on in the Senate.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie It hasn’t been sent along that I know of. If it has, it has been tossed out without a vote. That is why Pelosi and Mnuchin have been trying to hit a middle ground. Right now it seems that the Dems want a “comprehensive” package that is full of things that aren’t direct issues with Covid-19. You know…pork. The discussions are down to one side says “let’s do specific bills to get some help out there” and the other says “all or nothing”.

crazyguy's avatar

@seawulf575 The House did pass a bill, and I assume they sent it to the Senate. However, as with most House bills, this one also was DOA in the Senate, which is almost a bipartisan body. The reason Crazy Nancy does not want piecemeal bills is that the “pork” will see daylight – and probably stick out like a sore thumb.

seawulf575's avatar

@crazyguy It isn’t just that the pork will stick out, it’s that it cannot be reasonably inserted into piece meal bills and would, therefore, not get passed since it could not stand on it’s own. But then, isn’t that the definition of pork?

crazyguy's avatar

@seawulf575 You are correct. Pork by itself does not look very appetizing – you have to bury it!

LogicHead's avatar

No, she is holding things up to show the world that she wants to be the boss. She cares not a whit for suffering people.

Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FFQx9iLhjI

crazyguy's avatar

@LogicHead I did not watch the video because my wife is still sleeping. I will later.

However, I think Pelosi’s agenda is obvious: in addition to being the boss, she wants the Fed to bail out struggling Democratic local government. If some Red states get some bucks also, that is collateral damage.

seawulf575's avatar

Now @crazyguy don’t get me wrong…I love a good pig-pickin’! It looks great by itself! But I never found pork to pair well with political dishes.

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