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Should Biden address the specifics of Bobulinski's claims against him?

Asked by crazyguy (1429points) 3 weeks ago

Tony Bobulinski has alleged that Joe Biden lied when he stated that he has never discussed Hunter’s businesses with him. This is in spite of the facts that Joe loves Hunter, and the two traveled together for hours on Air Force 2.

Bobulinski also alleges that Joe Biden was given 10% of SinoHawk as “the big guy”. This was after Joe finished his stint as VP, but Joe is on record as saying that he has never received a penny from any foreign source.

Therefore, should he at least be confronted with each allegation and be forced to deny them, one by one? He is, after all, very likely to become our next President at a time when his stance towards China may be crucial.

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Yellowdog's avatar

They will keep him quiet about it.

gondwanalon's avatar

At this point it doesn’t really matter. No matter how incriminating and solid the evidence is against the big guy, nothing will come from it.

Pandora's avatar

Do you have proof that Bobulinski wasn’t paid to lie? If not. Then why should Biden even give him the time of day? I don’t see the right crying to see Trump reveal his taxes that may or may not show he was bought by Russia.

Answer me this. If you were Joe Biden and you knew these were lies and there is no proof, would you give it oxygen just before the elections? Bet you wouldn’t. This is Hillary 2 point 2 all over again. We have been down this road before and we don’t care. That Hillary Email scam at the week before elections did exactly what Republicans wanted. Kept people from the polls. Americans may be a bit slow at times but not this time.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Why would Biden address a story that’s going nowhere? If the mainstream press refuses to grant the tale any credence, how is Biden to be “forced” to talk about it? The NY Post and Tucker Carlson have neither the chops nor the time to build the momentum as Biden flies away in the polls.

YARNLADY's avatar

He should just let the news outlets fight it out.

ragingloli's avatar

So far, all you have in support of it is a disgruntled former business partner that offers allegations with no evidence, and a likely fake laptop.
And you see in it this grand scandal.

On the other hand you have a current president, who was impeached over trying to extort Ukraine, whom the Müller Report showed to have engaged in obstruction of justice and colluding with Russian operatives, who pals around with dictators, who is nearly a billion in debt to various foreign creditors (including the Bank of China), who is on tape admitting to casual sexual assault and who was best friend with child trafficker and rapist Jeffrey Epstein, whom he had likely killed.
But to you that is all fake news.

gorillapaws's avatar

I think Biden and Trump and Pelosi and the rest of the swamp should be held publicly accountable. It’s a steaming hot pile of corruption.

Darth_Algar's avatar

And, gee, somehow Fucker Carlson and Faux Newz lost this incredibly damning evidence.

ragingloli's avatar

His dog ate his homework.

crazyguy's avatar

All, thanks for your input.

I have this dreadful sense of deja vu, because I kept thinking all through the 1972 election that Nixon could not possibly win because of Watergate. Of course, we all know how that turned out.

I have a feeling that Biden will win and then face charges that he cannot deny. So he will resign and we’ll end up with Kamala Harris.

jca2's avatar

If the charges are in reference to the computer that was allegedly Biden’s son, I wouldn’t worry about it. Is there proof that the computer were not in any other hands? Is there evidence linking the son to the computer (for example, a signed receipt that he dropped it off, with a serial number or description)? It seems like a lot of things have to be proven before there’s anything to worry about.

gorillapaws's avatar

@crazyguy “So he will resign and we’ll end up with Kamala Harris.”

There is no substantive difference between them. They all have the same employers (Wall St. Big Pharma, fossil fuels, etc.) and that’s who they work for (including Trump).

Politics is as fake as pro wrestling. Don’t be taken in by the show and spectacle, it’s all a ploy to keep people distracted while billionaires loot the country blind.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

And I have a feeling that many Americans will grow increasingly in their gullibility and lack of critical thinking.

gorillapaws's avatar

@jca2 Why do you think a Ukrainian energy company paid Hunter Biden 50k per month? Maybe it’s because they had so much extra money they decided to pick a name out of the phone book that just-so-happened to be the human trainwreck that was (then) Vice President Biden’s son.

It’s like Trump paying Ivanka for her advice as a consultant. He’d be better off calling Miss Cleo for her opinion.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 I agree with you that proving the charges will be hard. However, it may not be necessary. I have a feeling that the reason for a lack of denial from the Bidens so far is that they are a little worried about some other clues out there. Denying the charges under oath may be problematic for them.

crazyguy's avatar

@gorillapaws There is just one difference – Kamala actually believe in that shit, while Biden may not.

jca2's avatar

@crazyguy: Biden wouldn’t take the stand, he wouldn’t have to testify against himself (incriminate himself). He takes the 5th.

crazyguy's avatar

How about Hunter? And Jim?

janbb's avatar

Right after Trump gets in the stand to address the many, many charges against him. Not to mention Ivanka, Jared or Don, Jr.

Why not drop it @crazyguy, nobody in this crowd and seemingly nobody other than maybe Fox and The Post are worried about this. It’s just not the big October surprise they were hoping for.

The pot can call the kettle black all it wants but we know that the pot is black.

crazyguy's avatar

@janbb In case you have not noticed, I have essentially given up on Trump. I fully expect Biden to prevail.

What I am raising has nothing to do with Trump. So your response seems to be at least misguided.

However, if you truly think that “nobody in this crowd” is “worried about this”, I have two concerns:

1. Are we ignoring history?
2. Do we even know our history?

janbb's avatar

^^ Yes, I suspect “we” do.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Biden need only follow PRECISELY Trump’s behavior on any and every allegation confronting him. How’s THAT for ignoring history?

Strauss's avatar

@crazyguy
1. Are we ignoring history?
2. Do we even know our history

1. No
2. Yes

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

I have this dreadful sense of deja vu, because I kept thinking all through the 1972 election that Nixon could not possibly win because of Watergate.

Yes, Trump is kind of like that, but Nixon was competent and had a lot successes which benefitted the American people.

Trump is attacking democracy and Americans with his undermining of the rule of law, truth, science and elections.

Are we ignoring history?

Yes, you are. Compare your delusions to the opinions of non cult members:
________________
Seventy former Republican officials from various national security agencies pledged in an open letter Thursday to vote for the Democratic nominee, former vice president Joe Biden.”

“While we — like all Americans — had hoped that Donald Trump would govern wisely, he has disappointed millions of voters who put their faith in him and has demonstrated that he is dangerously unfit to serve another term,” the letter states. “In contrast, we believe Joe Biden has the character, experience, and temperament to lead this nation. We believe he will restore the dignity of the presidency, bring Americans together, reassert America’s role as a global leader, and inspire our nation to live up to its ideals.”
________________
Former U.S. attorneys — all Republicans — back Biden, saying Trump threatens ‘the rule of law’”
________________
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele has endorsed Democratic nominee Joe Biden for president, joining 593 other prominent Republicans who are voting blue come November 3.
________________
27 GOP ex-lawmakers back Biden on first day of Republican National Convention

stanleybmanly's avatar

There is no question as to whether or not Trump is an exceptional target for political disgust, and I fully expect the voting turnout to reflect this fact. His supporters are equally defiant, but I believe the turbulent revulsion for the man expressed by so many Republican notables combined with the determination of those who usually don’t give a shit about politics should be sufficient to swamp Trump beyond any question or doubt.

crazyguy's avatar

All, thanks for your responses, some of which are actually substantiated by (lo and behold!) some research.

All of you are red-blooded Americans. Most of you were probably born in this country that I have chosen to pledge full allegiance to.

Let me ask you a rather simple question. Whether you believe Bobulinski’s allegations or not, don’t you think that his position as a former military person and a Democratic supporter, gives him the right to at least be heard?

stanleybmanly's avatar

I agree of course that he has the right to say whatever he chooses. And he has done so to considerable effect. That he will not overturn Trump’s dethronement is just a lucky break for a gullible America.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

Heard? Yes. Taken seriously? No.

Yellowdog's avatar

@crazyguy This is not based on Tony Bobulinski but on emails, photographs, transcripts, and an FBI investigation that’s been going on for about nine months.

I don’t think it will amount to any criminal reprecussions but there is no doubt that the events and activities occurred as Tony Bobulinski says. The proof is already revealed.

crazyguy's avatar

@stanleybmanly Bobulinski has been trying for over a week to get coverage by CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Wash Post; in fact he may be happy with lower circulation regional newspapers.

The furthest left coverage of the story I could find is on Politifact.com. That story claims:

“Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture.”

I cannot find any coverage by so-called credible news organizations.

crazyguy's avatar

@stanleybmanly As you probably know, the story about Bobulinski was censored by Twitter and Facebook. So his First Amendment right was infringed.

jca2's avatar

@crazyguy: The First Amendment protects the right to freedom of speech, and of the press – but not of when or where that speech or writing is expressed.

As a privately-managed corporation, Facebook determines what content it finds acceptable – or not.

Just as a person doesn’t have the right to say anything they feel like in a privately-managed restaurant – or to demand that that restaurant remain open, so that they can keep speaking — in that same way, they don’t have the right to make demands of Facebook regarding what they can say (write, usually) when using Facebook’s platform.

The First Amendment just means that a citizen can’t be stopped from expressing opinions on their own, for example, standing on a street corner or in a room of friends. While at work, we can’t talk about whatever we want, because we’re on work time, so for example I can’t go to work and make racist or sexist remarks, but if I wanted to stand on a street corner and do so, I could.

Anyone is free to start their own blog or website, such as Breitbart, and post what they want on there.

jca2's avatar

@Yellowdog: ”No doubt?” Lots of doubt. Lots of unanswered questions with no proof of anything – no proof of provenance of the computer, no signatures, no receipts, no video of the computer being dropped off, zilcha, nada, zero.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@crazyguy Bobu’s first amendment rights have by no means been impinged. You clearly do not understand what those rights are about. He has the right to complain and tell his story. He does NOT have the right to force others to repeat, amplify it or for that matter, even listen.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

You answer your own complaint. Credible news organization are not covering it because there’s nothing there. Sort of in the same way they don’t cover alien abductions or Batboy.

Also, you should learn what the 1st Amendment actually means.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Bobulinski has been trying for over a week to get coverage by CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Wash Post; in fact he may be happy with lower circulation regional newspapers.

I have been trying for years to get together with Rosario Dawson for a romantic weekend. My failure is clear evidence of a conspiracy against me.

janbb's avatar

Here’s a repeat of my link from NBC News about their attempts to get the story. I posted it on one of the other many Bobulinski questions you’ve asked but here it is again as it is very comprehensive:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533

jca2's avatar

@janbb: I’ve noticed that if @crazyguy doesn’t get answers he agrees with, in addition to arguing with people who’ve answered, he will ask the same question using different wording, on a new Q. He asks and asks and gets mad when people post in opposition to his beliefs.

janbb's avatar

@jca2 Yup. Kind of reminds me of “Green Eggs and Ham.” I don’t accept it, Sam-I-Am.

Welcome to the next four years! But his lap top!

jca2's avatar

@janbb: There will also be accusations of being close minded.

Yellowdog's avatar

@janbb There IS a signature, and emails, and photographs.

jca2's avatar

@Yellowdog: Is there proof that Biden owned the laptop and dropped it off?

crazyguy's avatar

Just as much proof as the allegation that this is all Russian disinformation.

Darth_Algar's avatar

So, zero. And we should take this seriously, why?

stanleybmanly's avatar

If there is any substance to this tale, it will I trust be revealed. Perhaps not in time to avert the coming landslide, but nevertheless further developed.

Yellowdog's avatar

He signed an agreement that the laptop would become the property of the shop if abandoned or left for more than 90 days—so yes, there is a signature, The F.B.I. would not pursue this without evidence,

There are emails and photos of Joe and Hunter with all said colleagues whom Joe claimed no knowledge of. If you watched real news, you’d see this daily. Its hard for me to fathom that as out there as this is, so many of you want to maintain that there is no evidence.

jca2's avatar

@Yellowdog: I haven’t heard that or seen a photo of that signed agreement. Do you have a link?

crazyguy's avatar

@stanleybmanly Yes, just like Watergate. Then we get a President who would have had zero chance of being elected on her own merits.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 Here is an interesting story in the Left’s darling source, The NY Times. This story describes the damage done to the US position regarding Ukraine because of Hunter’s cozy relationship with Burisma.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/europe/corruption-ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-biden-ties.html

jca2's avatar

@crazyguy: I see the photo of the receipt, but is that proof that the laptop with the alleged stuff on it was dropped off? I see a receipt that says “3 Macbook pros.” Would a court consider that receipt to be proof? I doubt it.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 I provided what you asked for. Any number of questions can be raised, of course.

jca2's avatar

@crazyguy: Previously on this thread and other threads where you ask similar questions to this one, I mentioned signatures, serial numbers and proof of provenance.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 How exactly do serial number and provenance establish who voted?

Darth_Algar's avatar

@crazyguy

This thread is about the supposed laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden. It is not about voting. Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.

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