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Does this look like vote fraud to anyone?

Asked by seawulf575 (11835points) 1 month ago

This video was taken during the GA Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing. It shows video taken from the place the votes were being counted. There was a period of time that everyone was told to go home because counting was stopping for the night. After all the news and observers left, suitcases of ballots were pulled out from under a table and were frantically being sent through the counting machines. The source of the ballots is unknown. Their being stored under a table is completely out of line with how all other ballots were counted prior to all witnesses leaving. The official observers were told all counting was stopped for the evening but found out later that thousands of votes happened after they left. Does this look like evidence of vote fraud? An attempt at stealing the election perhaps?

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Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m just gonna watch.

ragingloli's avatar

https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/04/fact-checking-rudy-giulianis-grandiose-georgia-election-fraud-claim

”“What the video shows is that they have pulled out plastic bins from underneath the desks,” Fulton elections director Rick Barron said Friday morning. “It was normal processing that occurred there, as Gabe Sterling from the state explained this morning.”

Sterling, the state’s voting system implementation manager, said that investigators for the state watched the full surveillance video from Election Day and said those bins of ballots were already there and accounted for earlier in the day, while both monitors and the media were there.”

seawulf575's avatar

@ragingloli Yet, per their own rules, they are not supposed to process ballots without witnesses. So why send all the witnesses away before you pull the ballots out? And why were they under a table? All day long, they were brought in from outside the room to be processed.

ragingloli's avatar

“Georgia law § 21–2-408 spells out the rules for partisan poll watchers, allowing them to be present and monitor aspects of the elections process. But having monitors there is not required — and in fact, Democrats did not have monitors present at that time.

Hamb's avatar

@seawulf575: “So why send all the witnesses away before you pull the ballots out?”

Yawn. This is because those bins didn’t contain ballots. They contained thousands of photocopies of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate, as well as handwritten notes from Obama stating, “I am a Muslim!”.

Seriously though. Is this how you want to spend the next 4 years?

LostInParadise's avatar

Since the Georgia state government, and therefore the Georgia election, was run by Republican Trump supporters, we have to suppose that any fraud committed would be to get rid of Biden ballots, which apparently did not alter the outcome of the voting, so everything is just fine, fraud or no fraud.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

No, it is not fraud.

Or else there is an anti-Trump conspiracy including (just to name a few):
Republican Governor Kemp
Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger
Republican voting system implementation manager Gabriel Sterling
Republican US Attorney General Bob Barr
US Justice Dept attorneys
Federal judges, several appointed by Trump, who have thrown out and ridiculed the suits brought by Trump’s incompetent attorneys

Gosh. A real head-scratcher we got here.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There are those among us who will blame everything from the weather through the tides as proof of vote tampering. ANYTHING to cast doubt on the validity of our elections. And for some reason, those so convinced and hollering loudest just happen to be the very entrepreneurs so skilled at creativity when it comes to suppression of the vote. When the current fool took office with 3 million votes less than Hillary, the losers justifiably felt robbed, but never made allegations of massive fraud in the totaling of the votes. This one’s over. And the 6 million vote margin accorded the winner is just too massive to sustain a claim of massive fraud. Why not save this nonsense for the Runoff in January for the Georgia Senate seats?

LadyMarissa's avatar

The White House has repeatedly altered videos to suit their needs. How do we know this one is real & not another WH hatchet job???

Smashley's avatar

We’ve had a narrative in search of evidence for a while now. Is anyone surprised a vague video was trotted out when the right wing media machine finally found something they could point to as “evidence”? It’s like the Access Hollywood tape: a whole lot of desperate people see the video and tell themselves “thank god we finally got em! Case closed!” Sorry but no.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@seawulf575 You just don’t give up.

seawulf575's avatar

@Smashley It really wasn’t a vague video. It was the installed video cameras in the area they were counting the ballots in. It was actually more of an official video than someone with their phone filming something. It showed 4 different views of the room so there was no question as to what was happening off screen on any one of them.

Smashley's avatar

Vague in meaning. Epoch Times and other members of the far right wing media machine can create whatever story they want, I don’t have to buy it. They obviously jumped on this one as soon as they saw it. The speaker admitted as much, that they’d only found it the night before and hadn’t reviewed the rest of the tape. I’d like more opinions, and a timeline of exactly what was going on that day, but I don’t see anything obviously nefarious. Poll workers work in bypartisan teams as far as I know, yet everything seemed normal in that room.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Yeah they were committing voter fraud knowing full well the room had security cameras.
Yeah right!

seawulf575's avatar

@Smashley It wasn’t a “far-right” outlet making the case…it was in a Judiciary committee, presented as evidence. As for poll workers being bipartisan, that is the other part that was strange. All the poll workers were sent out as well, except for a few people. It was not the same number of workers they had all day long. The things that weren’t normal are piling up. At no time during the day did any ballots enter that room to be counted in suitcases. The observers and most of the poll workers were sent out and everyone was told no more counting would be going on. After all the observers and most of the poll workers left, suddenly the suitcases start getting pulled out from under a table and they start getting “counted”. Again…what is the pedigree of these ballots? Where is the chain of custody? Why are these ballots treated so much differently than all the others that were brought in during the day? Why were all the observers and most of the poll workers sent home before these were brought out to be counted? And why were they counted after they just told the observers and the poll workers that left that no more counting of ballots was going to go on? It is extremely hinky. And the link by @ragingloli doesn’t lend itself to much credibility. The one in charge of processing all the ballots is saying nothing unusual happened by his people that are processing the ballots. His story is that all the ballots are brought into the room in those suitcases and that these were just leftovers that still needed to be counted. Yet at no time during the day were any ballots observed being brought into the room in the suitcases. And his explanation does not go into why all the observers and most of the staff were sent home with the explanation of no more counting going on when his people then went on to count all the ballots. His explanation might have held water if they told everyone they were going to count the last few and there was no need for everyone to stay and then started pulling out the suitcases. But that didn’t happen.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

It wasn’t a “far-right” outlet making the case…it was in a Judiciary committee, presented as evidence.

Any group making the case that Donald Trump won the election is a far-right outlet. The effort has now lost 47 cases in federal court. Only the cult members and the people taking advantage of you are making the case.

seawulf575's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay Only cult members see a legal presentation as “far right”

stanleybmanly's avatar

Cult members is a charitable reference. The courts now labor to resist labeling those pushing such delusions as straight up lunatics. The fact that even the deranged have access to the courts in no way validates either their positions or for that matter, their grasp on reality.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly You mean the courts that dismiss lawsuits without hearing any of the evidence? How can a person make an informed decision without any information? None of the dismissals have been based on content of the case. That is why this will work its way to the SCOTUS to let them work it out. And now, with Texas suing WI, MI, GA, and PA for unconstitutional actions during the election, it will go directly to the SCOTUS without going through any of the kangaroo courts.

ragingloli's avatar

Sure. Conservative judges, drumpf-appointed judges even, that rightfully refuse to admit glorified gossip as “evidence”, that has as much value as a disgruntled neighbour accusing someone of being a witch, are “kangaroo courts”.
You are delusional.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

The “evidence” consists of things like claims of fraud in places that do not exist. and (quoting Trump’s lawyer) ‘a random sample of tweets of citizens’.

The SCOTUS isn’t going to hear the cases. Even the Trump-appointed judges are not going to humor the clowns.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Love how the Supreme Court shot him down. Wonder if he’s pissed at Brett Kavanaugh.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Republican Mike Kelly wanted all mail-in Pennsylvania ballots thrown away. This is the entire response from the Supreme Court today.

Order In Pending Case 20A98 Kelly, Mike, et al. V. Pennsylvania, et al.
“The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the court is denied.”

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 So now the courts are in league with the Democrats and the media? You know of course that you sound every bit as psychotic and delusional as the fool himself. Don’t you feel even a wee bit foolish carrying on like this? There comes a point when it’s no longer fun slathering you with ridicule. You make it entirely too easy. Slapping you around is equivalent to beating up on the mentally challenged, and even I tire of it.

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