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crazyguy's avatar

Could voter fraud similar to this story have happened elsewhere?

Asked by crazyguy (2946points) 2 days ago

Please read the following story:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/pennsylvania-probation-illegal-ballot-trump-2020/index.html

and explain exactly why the same thing could not have happened in Georgia under the 2020 election rules.

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elbanditoroso's avatar

I’d rather have you explain your theory, @crazyguy since you’re the one pushing it.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Alison Brie could be planning to come over to my place tonight for a week-long sexcation. I should plan my life around it.

Because it could happen.

rebbel's avatar

Could have happened??
Did happen.
On a massive scale.
That’s how uncle Joe won!

Yeehah!

stanleybmanly's avatar

Of course you are going to find someone somewhere who will attempt to register his dog, cat or goldfish. There are both crazy and stupid people among us. And as soon as you can demonstrate that there were EVER enough of them to swing an election, you might have a VALID point. But meanwhile, there should be no reason to defend polling places from meteor strikes or wild dog attacks or any other random possibility. It’s just plain DUMB and a transparent excuse to suppress the vote.

LostInParadise's avatar

What do you think is larger, the number of fraudulent votes or the number of votes suppressed by voting restrictions? I would guess the first group to be in the single digits and the second group to in the thousands/

crazyguy's avatar

@elbanditoroso I am not pushing any theory. For the last six months we have been hearing the rant: where is the evidence? Now we have one instance of a fraudulent voter, who was on the opposite side. All I am asking is why the same thing could not have happened in Georgia under the 2020 rules. And if it could have, what exactly is wrong with amending the rules to make it impossible?

crazyguy's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay I know you are smarter than your post would indicate.

crazyguy's avatar

@rebbel The typical response of a Democrat. It could have happened, but it did not. Therefore, there is no need to change the rules.

crazyguy's avatar

@LostInParadise How exactly does requiring a voter ID, the same one that is required for in-person voting, constitute voter suppression?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Conspiracy Du Jour ? ?

Make believe from the Fright Wingers again and again and again !

Suppression is the GOP intent for voters that are POC, elderly and poor.

Oh – - – “Voter records show that Bartman used Pennsylvania’s online voter-registration portal to register both his late mother, Elizabeth Bartman, and his deceased mother-in-law, Elizabeth Weihman, who died in 2019—illegally registering both as Republican voters, the district attorney’s office said. ” from your CNN article.

Seems to be a GOP thing to vote multiple times. Didn’t Trump tell them to vote by mail and then go to the Polls ??

rebbel's avatar

@crazyguy I’m a socialist.

zenvelo's avatar

It is obvious to anyone who has been awake since 2016 that widespread voter fraud took place in 2020.

It is the only explanation how Trump could get so many votes, but the GOP just didn’t have enough fake votes to overcome an approval rating of 44% at the time of the election.

As has been repeatedly shown since since 2016, the only demonstrated voter fraud that has seen the light of day has been Trump supporters.

flutherother's avatar

Your article explains why voter fraud is a non issue.

1. You get caught doing it
2. It is so rare that it hits the headlines when it happens.
3. The penalties can be severe, (7 years in jail and/or a $15,000 fine).
4. It happens on too miniscule a scale to affect anything.
5. Voter fraud is carried out only by fools (Democrat and Republican)

crazyguy's avatar

@zenvelo You may be absolutely correct. Then why do so many of you guys oppose the common-sensical election reform in Georgia?

@flutherother
1.Yes, if you happened to vote for somebody other than Joe.
2. Yes, for the same reason as 1.
3. Yes, if you get caught.
4. How would you and I know?
5. Agreed. Therefore only fools oppose commonsensical ways of making sure it cannot happen.

zenvelo's avatar

@crazyguy Like all good Democrats, I am opposed to laws to fix things that aren’t broken. And I am even more opposed to laws that break things that are in good working order, such as the Georgia and Florida election processes.

crazyguy's avatar

@zenvelo So you are opposed to laws to fix things that aren’t broken. How about things that may be too broken for any detection of the break?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

“How about things that may be too broken for any detection of the break?”

Like what pray tell ?

The Supreme Court PACKED by Trump and company. . . . with conservative cronies!

Strauss's avatar

Bartman is a white man. He intentionally voted multiple times and got a slap on the wrist.
“Crystal Mason“https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article207176829.html is a black woman. She didn’t know her conviction status would affect her voting privileges. She voted once and was sentenced to five years.

Dual justice systems?

birsy's avatar

@Strauss “Tarrant County District Attorney Sharen Wilson said Mason was offered the option of probation in the state case, but she refused the offer. Mason chose to have a trial by judge, and the judge found beyond a reasonable doubt from the evidence that she knew she was not eligible to vote and voted anyway. He then set her sentence, Wilson said.”
You should’ve read the entire article.

crazyguy's avatar

@Strauss In every field of endeavor in the US, and, I imagine, in most of the world, financial wherewithal does get you better outcomes. I am not familiar with the two cases you have looked up. However, it would not surprise me that the public defender did worse than a. paid professional attorney.

birsy's avatar

@crazyguy You should also read the entire article…. “This is not the end,” said Kim Cole, an attorney representing Mason. “Our community has stood by Crystal from the beginning and will never lose hope.”Mason is also represented by the ACLU of Texas, ACLU Voting Rights Project, Texas Civil Rights Project.”
A public defender probably would’ve advised her to take the probation deal offered by the DA.

Strauss's avatar

@crazyguy … if it could have, what exactly is wrong with amending the rules to make it impossible?

The fact is it happened, he was caught, he was tried and sentenced.

What we are talking about here is the balance between a small percentage of fraud compared to the rights of many others

He was caught and sentenced.

crazyguy's avatar

@Strauss the rights of many others. I have read the proposed modifications to Georgial election law many times over and see no impact on voters’ rights. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction…

Tropical_Willie's avatar

We keep pointing to the impact and @crazyguy you keep ignoring facts.

Voter fraud is 1 in 10 million (mostly GOP voters) for 2020 election. I’d give you the stats but you’d ignore that too.

Suppress voting for elderly, poor and POC that is the mantra of the Trump’s party; they aren’t GOP anymore. They are just against POC, elderly and poor.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The shame of it all is that while we will have random cases of individuals contriving to fraudulently vote, it is apparently an entire political party seeking to all but openly demand that we restrict and suppress the vote.

Strauss's avatar

@crazyguy Perhaps you can point me in the right direction…

I have done so on previous posts, and will gladly continue to point you in the right direction. You consistently fail (or refuse) to understand what the signs say.

Paul Weyrich, 1983

“I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

Grover Norquist 2004

“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”

The direction of the conservative movement (and recently, the Republican Party) in this country over the past forty years (some might argue it’s since the New Deal) has been to restrict the right to vote and to choke the Federal Government’s ability to do anything about it.

crazyguy's avatar

@Strauss What I said was: I have read the proposed modifications to Georgial election law many times over and see no impact on voters’ rights. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction… What I got instead was a diatribe on the conservative movement.

stanleybmanly's avatar

You got more than that. You also get repeated requests to explain the necessity to further complicate and encumber the voting process. If all the evidence indicates the levels of fraud are next to nothing in comparison to honest unintentional mistakes, correct for the mistakes, instead of reaching for excuses to further drive the process toward pain in the ass obstacle courses.

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